Patriotic_Legend ago

Research the New Testament. There is no ancient text more accurate. It can be used as a history book. Further, the books are extremely reiliable, do an internet searh carm.org bible copies.

Jesus is the God of all, not the God of Jews. There is only one God.

dummythicc ago

Nice piss poorly photoshoped "separation from god". My kingdom for a free speech site free from these christfag brainlets.

WhiteChickens ago

Funny, back in the '90s there were tons of virgins trying to tell you all about sex because they watched a few porno tapes.

Now, a bunch of never married whores try to tell you about marriage after reading an internet site. lol

Bremertonbruiser ago

Excellent comment.

binarycrunch ago

Porn hating god lovers in the comments sound like my ageing, lonely nan.

BoomerHater1488er ago

I've noticed an uptick in some very conflicted people. People who, on the one hand, want to be proud Europeans but, on the other, want to honor a spirituality that is like an invasive cancer to them. Their solution? To pretend that ancient Israelite's wandered into and founded Europe and that white people are the real Jews...

Patriotic_Legend ago

There are many reasons I have faith in Jesus. I believe science and philosophical logic prove the existence of a God. From there my faith is built on the strength of the Bible, my family, and most of all personal experiences.

I think a good source for the reading more on what/why Christians believe what they do is carm.org.

I believe if you are open to the idea of God you will see him in your life.

And to answer some of the more angry posts from others. I have no problem discussing my beliefs and listening to others that differ. However, it is easy to see when some just want to have a one way lash out session and That is a waste of time.

AngelofDeath ago

Psalm 5:5 still relevant.

Or Ecclesiasticus 12:6 ??

LuciusAM ago

Separation from god . . .

God made the female form to please the eye and made jerking it convenient and discreet. He either is cool with jerking it or he is an asshole. I do not believe in a Judeo-Christian god but if I did, he wouldn't be an asshole.

That said, jerking it wastes masculine energy and as such should be avoided unless you have an excess. Cultivating and keeping that energy while watching porn isn't bad though.

PaulNeriAustralia ago

I bet god botherers don't limit their sexual antics to the missionary position. I reckon many of them would make a porn star blush! A few years ago Canberra hosted a large Christian Convention and the brothels did a roaring trade! Most religious types are appalling hypocrites. Is there a difference between a Christian engaging in porn-type sex with his/her partner and someone watching porn on the Internet?

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

Inb4 self hating jews arrive

PaddyMcInfidel ago

What if the enemy is sin and death itself? The punishment for sin is death, Jesus came, died and resurrected in order to pay for the sins of man, or eliminate the enemy if you prefer.

HeavyBeefCurtain ago

THE JEWS NEVER GIVE ANYTHING AWAY FOR FREE. WHY WOULD THEY GIVE PORN AWAY FOR FREE?

WhatAgain ago

The most disgusting thing about porn is what women will do for money. And not for the guy they "love".

PaulNeriAustralia ago

it's a mean world out there and not all women end up with a nice guy like you. In short, they need to survive.

Anonfag ago

Is it that time of the week again already?

WhatAgain ago

Shame?????? Fuck off. Try telling the fatties about the word shame. See how far you get.

Loneliness? Why does pron make you lonely? Faggot.

Depression? For who?

Addiction? FFS grow the fuck up.

Self harm? Anyone ant to explain me hat kind of porn they must be watching to self harm? Second thought no ! Dont. Please dont.

Despair? For hat looking at tiittes? What fucking planet are you from?

Divorce? You should be more worried at the sad cunt you are married to is you are not allowed to look at pron! Your marriage is a Sham!

Lost opportunities? Like what? I could have spent that 5 minutes drinking beer?

Social anxiety? Where the fuck are you watching pron?

Separation from God? Is a Good thing. Who needs another imaginary fwiend...!

binarycrunch ago

Agreed, I'm getting more convinced its just religious incels who watch it 6 times a day and think that's what everyone does and its evil.

DefinitelyNotaJew ago

Loneliness happens when men are satisfying their desires artificially, instead of going out and finding a girl to do it for them. It takes away that motivation that could push an incel to go try, instead of giving up.

The rest of the points suck though.

PaulNeriAustralia ago

Agree - looking at titties is a wonderful pastime; and I want to be separated from "God" but I really want to be separated by the widest possible distance from Jehovah's Witnesses.God help me!

NPC1488 ago

Odin prefers you rape in his name.

Mouse-Ball-Z ago

I love porn.

USAF_Patriot ago

Who needs porn. Just wait another 5 years and for the Stupor-bowl halftime show they'll be dancing around nude and fucking their backup singers on stage.

PaulNeriAustralia ago

5 years is a bit of a stretch!

Barbarian ago

Separation from God should be at the top because it’s the easiest to get back. It’s important to remember that Jesus is the most forgiving and returning to him will fix everything else in your life.

9NaughtZ ago

ruined the meme with the shopped footer.

CowboyXero ago

I've never seen a man on trial for his life because PornHub accused him of looking at them improperly.

Separation from God...might work on me if I were a Christian but I'm not so...yet...another...moral...panic. Predictable, pretentious virtue-signalling.

Bremertonbruiser ago

I would agree with you but how is it kept from escalating into what it is? It's like the horror movies that scared our parents are laughable to us. Where do we draw the line? I might be able to except a pornogrophy industry that did not engage in actual intercourse because how is that not prostitution but doesn't it always lead to more and more hardcore material? Glad people on both sides of the theological spectrum are seeing things for what they are, destructive.

elchupanibre5 ago

The ability for man to have free will causes the suffering that you exclusively blame God for. It seems that what you prefer instead is a dictatorship ruled with an ironfist. Theoretically, this is actually the opposite of freedom.

It is impossible for man to be free and (at the same time) without conflict because we are all flawed. Not to mention, Satan entices us in our flaws to bring about evil which inevitably causes suffering.

The job of the righteous Christian is to submit his human flaws to God (as a living sacrifice) as to try and be an example of light in a dark world. Unfortunately even in this endeavor, most Christians are unsuccessful... because they too are human.

So what is God to do? Does he simply shackle us all down into submissive automatons? Or does he allow freedom will to exist at the expense of suffering? If any human being had the answer to this question then we wouldve already been living in a utopia.

Uncle_Slob ago

Lmao. God.

smokratez ago

Every porn addict is an atheist. lol

observation1 ago

Now do it again with self driving cars

What you give up:

Privacy

Autonomy

Community

Your grandchildren's future

New-World-Ebola ago

(((porn, drugs and hollywood))) have completely ruined society.

boekanier ago

In one word, the left.

New-World-Ebola ago

the "left" is a deflection.

it is the kikes.

ussliberty ago

juice

Black_Phillip ago

No make one comparing those trad cucks who advocate marriage in 2020. Here's some sub head lines for you to consider, cuck:

"Living out of your car"

"In prison for a non violent crime"

"Attacked by white knight trad cucks"

"half and half children"

"stabbed in the heart with no recourse because of cucks like OP"

cucked

I could go all night but there's so many of you slit sharing cucks and I have a six figure job, no debt and barely any responsibilities to somewhat get to tomorrow.

Racial_Maddow ago

Children are great though and it’s natural to procreate. Children outside of marriage have worse outcomes and society suffers.

Enjoy your hair while it lasts bucko

Black_Phillip ago

Society isn’t going to survive as long as the rights and privileges cucks and feminists have given women continue anyway. All you have to do is look at the fertility rates of any western country (or Asian countries like Japan or South Korea) VS those who have fertility over replacement. Your solution isn’t a solution, it’s ignoring the problem and advocating a high risk bet with someone who has a government owned weapon hoping they don’t use it. Men who value freedom over all else will never follow that path.

Enjoy your slavery, let us know if things belly up and please don’t kill yourself.

Racial_Maddow ago

Lol are you free? Are you living alone in a forest or something?

bnard88 ago

I keep relapsing on the weekends. Help!

smokratez ago

Get a girl to fuck. Doesn't have to be pretty.

Racial_Maddow ago

https://everaccountable.com

This looks like it’s got a paywall but you get the idea..

Racial_Maddow ago

You can get some software to share your browsing history with friends.

It will end your porn addiction because watching porn is shameful.

I imagine this works 100% of the time unless your jewish with jewish friends.. then I imagine it would get worse.. much worse.

bnard88 ago

What if I have no friends. I'm seeing a therapist about my social anxiety very soon.

Bremertonbruiser ago

ABBA Father hear this person's plea, deliver them from this addiction in Jesus name amen. This is a difficult one. Is masterbation a sin? Many people would say everybody does it just some lie about it. Is that true? Is it only a sin if your looking at something while doing it? Jesus knows your heart. The Apostle Paul speaks on the matter, paraphrasing he said most people can't be like he was (married to the quest) and that it is better to be taken in marriage than to burn with desire. Pray to the Father through the Son and ask for the power of the Holy Spirit that you may choose His way over the way of the world. Blessings in Yeshua.

edgydude69 ago

What an anti Semitic post.

Deceneu ago

Oy vey, the Blue Nose is almost entirely submerged.

TrialsAndTribulation ago

I was on 4chan long before Voat existed.

mattsixteen24 ago

It's retarded how they made this consistent with consumerism. Gotta worry about costs fellow consumers!

Snakeberry ago

I struggled with this shit. Doing better, this pic is 100% true. If you have any kids filter your wifi internet for porn and don't let your kids have a good bit of cell phone data. If my parents did this to me growing up, my teenage years would have been way different.

Registered_Goat_9998 ago

If my parents did this to me growing up

Mind giving us a bigger picture and describe your age/ how old you were when your parents FAILED?

Snakeberry ago

Haha! Tell us why your parents failed to give you good selfesteem! I needed a good laugh.

Registered_Goat_9998 ago

Just saying, I'm genuinely curious, not all of us here had hd 720p porn on a CELL phone growing up.

Snakeberry ago

Are you fucking retarded? Ever heard if PC's?

tokui ago

Those bad things never happened before modern porn. Nope.

Racial_Maddow ago

So don’t worry about it goyim?

Patriotic_Legend ago

free will

original sin

the fall of satan

Joe_McCarthy ago

They should watch my stuff instead of the tentacle porn or whatever it is they watch in between downvoting me. Honestly, I've never so much as seen some of this stuff these 20 somethings are into

JerseyanRaja ago

I agree with all of this except the 'seperation from God' thing. I'm a secular Humanist and I think porn is a bad thing for various reasons, none of them having to do with what some fictional deity would want

antiracistMetal ago

Secular humanism is speciesist.

@bojangles @eagleshigh

JerseyanRaja ago

Yes. So what?

TrialsAndTribulation ago

Too late. We already commented before you made your inb4. The point is to make the comment before it comes up.

Joe_McCarthy ago

As someone who actually is a Christian and believes in sin - I'd put it another way. The flesh is weak. This stuff is very easily available. But as guys look at it anyway - let it be the more uplifting variety.

Of course is addiction is an issue. A complicated topic in itself. Some people are probably prone to addiction, period. Not so much porn addiction specifically. But all of these zealots are closing the barn years after the horses ran off.

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Crikes ago

Capacity for intimacy that enables lifelong marriage, and healthy parenting.

smokratez ago

Marriage is a trap meant to turn you insane. A man isn't supposed to be with one woman for his whole life.

DefinitelyNotaJew ago

This isn't the jungle though. We can make a bunch of white babies with one woman and stay with her as long as she doesn't go crazy. It's the best environment to raise your kids in too.

smokratez ago

That's cuck shit. Have children with a good mother, and keep fucking other women. That's what men used to do. Before jews turned you into faggots.

DefinitelyNotaJew ago

No disagreement there. As long as you stay by your family, go fuck whoever you want. Just wear rubbers with prostitutes and non-whites.

Crikes ago

This is communist poison. You wouldn't know what marriage was since the state got involved and created "marriage" to distract people from marriage.

Today the state bribes women with part of the loot if they'll separate a father from his children. This means that men need to not marry poisoned women, and not "marry" the state.

Men should not socialize with women outside of their family. They should never associate with poisoned women, and they should insist that their wife not (nor want) to associate with poisoned women.

If a man "marries" the state, and a poisoned woman, he will be destroyed and at this point, will deserve it.

smokratez ago

I'm not a commie. You're a domesticated faggot.

Crikes ago

You could be one of their useful idiots. You definitely logical fallacy like a communist.

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

Oy

smokratez ago

Hi jew

DefinitelyNotaJew ago

Vey

smokratez ago

faggot

DefinitelyNotaJew ago

Nigger

smokratez ago

Cucked nigger faggot then.

DefinitelyNotaJew ago

Go make white babies

smokratez ago

Give me your sister's number.

DefinitelyNotaJew ago

Aim under 25. avoid debt, smokers, and tattoos.

smokratez ago

No shit.

Joe_McCarthy ago

Yeah. But only after a while.

Brickman45 ago

Jewwwwws!!!!

keksupreme ago

ok christcuck.

there are no costs because modern women are terrible anyway. in fact, the benefit is you can avoid modern women and allowing them to reproduce their evil and toxic ideology

smokratez ago

Spoken like a tranny porn loving atheist faggot.

keksupreme ago

imagine being a christcuck and having a kid to support the jews with your endless child support and alimony payments.

oh yeah and the kid will be raised by their mom when she divorces you and she will turn them into a feminist shill

smokratez ago

Atheism and christcucking are both jew slave religions. You don't marry, as that is another jew trap. You get kids with an ugly girl that worships you, then keep fucking other women. Jesus, don't you know anything?

keksupreme ago

how is atheism a jew trap, literally everything jews want you to believe is involved in being an sjw (new form of christcuck) or being a christcuck.

also why the fuck would i want to pay child support to the feminist shill mother of my children in the christcucked us

NarrativeControl ago

how is atheism a jew trap

You might be an exception but most people function better under a religion.

Of course, Jews being Jews, they control both sides so you got atheism on one side and kiked-controlled Christianity on the other one.

keksupreme ago

"most people function better"

religion is literally the jewish parasitism they use to insert their irrational bullshit in your life. that's why they want so many muslims in western countries that are being increasingly secularized

smokratez ago

how is atheism a jew trap

How is hating white people, jerking off to space and trannies, while knowing nothing of science a jew trap? lol

There are non feminist girls.

keksupreme ago

the us is indoctrinated to be a feminist shithole and the laws also reflect that.

also knowing nothing of science? you mean like not being a scientist and being a brainwashed christcuck instead?

smokratez ago

the us is indoctrinated to be a feminist shithole and the laws also reflect that.

You can still make an ugly girl worship you, if you are a man.

also knowing nothing of science? you mean like not being a scientist and being a brainwashed christcuck instead?

No, like being a jew slave atheist jerking off to space.

TrialsAndTribulation ago

The "separation from God" phrase was shopped in. So what? It does make a man separate himself from God. ketoll's post is correct, but that only means that God will never stop loving us, but the deviance of porn will make good people separate themselves from God, and that's a fact. If you guys don't like it or agree with it, move on and let the rest of us enjoy it.

BoomerHater1488er ago

Why wouldn't you want to be separated from a foreign ethnicity's deity that they've tricked you into worshiping?

memik ago

If you guys don't like it or agree with it, move on and let the rest of us enjoy it.

No, fuck you and your shit attempt at censoring discussion. Is your faith so fragile that you can't stand people not liking or agreeing with it?

It does make a man separate himself from God.

Italicizing words doesn't add any weight to your argument. Speaking of argument, you don't have one. You just blurted out a statement as though making the statement is proof. Look at how dumb this shit is:

It doesn't make a man separate himself from god.

Angryelectrician ago

You ever see yourself five years ago in a comment? Huh... strange.

memik ago

I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to communicate.

antiracistMetal ago

I thought you were full of shit, but those slanty letters really got me.

TrialsAndTribulation ago

Good one, troll. Or, since you're such a typography fag, good one, troll.

ketoll ago

True, shame is the culprit of porn and a snare that keeps people from walking in the light.

BoomerHater1488er ago

You believe in those kike fairy tales?

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

Shalom

BoomerHater1488er ago

You say Shalom to mock me but you're the one who worships a Jewish god lmfao...

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

Jesus is going to kill all the jews when he returns

BoomerHater1488er ago

Jesus is a Jewish Rabbi who hated corrupt Pharisee Leadership. Nothing more. Jesus is a Jew who loved Jews and hated Europeans.

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

Keep trying kike, maybe one day some retard will fall for your jewish tricks

BoomerHater1488er ago

Mmmhmmm. I'm not the one who literally worships a Jewish God and a Jewish religion lmfao.

But, by all means, continue believing that a deity exists and it's a sandnigger blood god lmfao.

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

Oh wow i never thought of it that way, guess i dont believe in Jesus anymore! Thanks jew

somebody112 ago

The separation from god bit was shopped in there to make the meme indigestable by plebs, redditors etc. It's totally unnecessary and basically kills the meme AS INTENDED. THe meme was sabotaged and put into voat.

Here is the fixed meme niggers

https://files.catbox.moe/6v8om5.jpg

file:///C:/Users/paul/Pictures/FixedMeme.jpg

blit416 ago

Cool, thx man.

I'm not the religious type, but aetheist get really, really tiresome. You put the word God or Jesus in something and they completely lose their shit.

Some of them at least.

It's like an intellectual stumbling block - and I think you might be on to something about it being added to this meme. Looks kinda tacked on at the end, and it's completely unnecessary for this meme to stand.

mattsixteen24 ago

You protestants are going to hell.

Tallest_Skil ago

Show where the Bible says that Mary (the fully human woman who sinned) remained a virgin her whole life.

mattsixteen24 ago

Mary never sinned. She was born immaculate. She is the highest of all the angels and sits at the right hand of Christ. You protestants hurt God's mother so much. You pierce her heart. No one can love the Blessed Virgin Mary more than her Son.

St. Alphonsus Liguori: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/immaculatacon.htm

Tallest_Skil ago

Mary never sinned.

Wrong. You’ve just denounced God Himself. Want to keep going?

She was born immaculate.

Wrong. You’ve just denounced God Himself. Your own fucking books prove you’re a heretic.

No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.

wew lad

sits at the right hand of Christ.

Wrong. You’ve just denounced God Himself. Mary suffered nothing for sin. Christ and Christ alone suffered all, and He suffered it once.

You protestants hurt God's mother so much.

I don’t care how a human woman feels.

You pierce her heart.

Good. Fuck off with your comediatrix and her heresies. I don’t worship a woman. Neither does any other Christian.

Notice how you refused to answer my question? That’s because you know you’re a heretical piece of shit, because you can’t find a source for your claim.

mattsixteen24 ago

You found the Catholic Encyclopedia. That's good. You should read more of it. It will clear up your stupidity.

No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.

Ah, the bible alone protestant thinks he's found some dirt on the Catholics huh?

Where in the bible does it directly teach the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity?

Oh, and where does it teach the protestant heresy of sola scriptura (bible alone) in the bible? Where does it teach which books are the inspired word of God in the bible? Nowhere.

The Roman Catholic Church compiled the bible. The Church came first. Not the bible.

Protestants believe they understand a book they call the bible (counterfeit bible) that other protestants gave them. With their pride, they believe they know better than 2000 years of Saints, Doctors, Theologians, Popes, Bishops, priests, religious, and others of the Church. The protestant declares himself the sole interpreter (sola scriptura) of his counterfeit bible although even he doesn't believe this heretical doctrine totally as his beliefs have been shaped by other heretics before him. He cherry picks his counterfeit bible, taking passages out of context to fit the heresies passed down to him.

You didn't even read the link because because of your blind hatred for Christ and his Church, but mostly because you're afraid of the truth. Protestants are thieves, liars, and slanderers. They stole from the Church. They stole souls from God Almighty. A protestant can only lie and slander the Church. The protestants use our Catholic sacrament of baptism (mostly invalidly done) as the Catholic Church has allowed it, yet they despise the Catholic Church. Protestantism is an ever evolving cult of heresies. Protestants are brothers of the freemasons who like them are toadies for the jews. Hence why the jews do not care about protestantism and leave it be. They understand protestantism is a corruption of Christianity as they helped foment the protestant revolution to attack the Church and lead souls to hell.

Protestantism originated from a heretical foul mouthed emotionally disturbed Augustinian monk, Martin Luther in the 16th century (man made religion). A scatophiliac who suffered from very bad scruples that ran off with a heretical nun and died a drunk. How many protestant cults are there now? 60,000+ in counting? Christ created one Church, the Catholic Church. Here you are a heretic belonging to one of the numerous protestant sects and you throw 'heresies' and 'heretic' around at the Roman Catholic Church, the same Church who has been identifying heresies and heretics like yourself long before those stupid protestant heresies even existed.

Catholics don't worship the Blessed Virgin Mary and this has never been taught by the Catholic Church and has been condemned as a heresy. Catholics venerate the Saints and the Blessed Virgin Mary is the greatest Saint of all of Christ's creations.

I don’t care how a human woman feels.

Tell that to your mother.

Tallest_Skil ago

Ah, the bible alone protestant thinks he's found some dirt on the Catholics huh?

Given that you’re physically incapable of refuting it and now personally admit you think the Bible is lying, yeah, I have. Enjoy hell, papist.

Where in the bible does it directly teach the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity?

So you want 50 citations? Sure thing.

Oh, and where does it teach the protestant heresy of sola scriptura (bible alone) in the bible?

Right here.

Where does it teach which books are the inspired word of God in the bible?

Right here.

The Roman Catholic Church compiled the bible.

Imagine being so wrong that you can’t even follow your own book, then.

Protestants believe they understand a book they call the bible (counterfeit bible)

“OY VEY GOYIM THE HOLY BIBLE ITSELF IS A FAKE!” – only jews

they believe they know better than 2000 years of Saints, Doctors, Theologians, Popes, Bishops, priests, religious, and others of the Church.

Yeah, you don’t matter. Only God matters.

The protestant declares himself the sole interpreter

The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you. The church forbade private ownership of bibles for millennia, claiming that only priests could interpret it. Oops!

He cherry picks his counterfeit bible

Said the papist, cherry-picking the Bible.

taking passages out of context to fit the heresies passed down to him.

Said the papist, literally just ignoring the quoted word of God.

You didn't even read the link

lol, did

They stole from the Church. They stole souls from God Almighty.

Fun fact: the papacy isn’t God. The pope isn’t Jesus Christ in the flesh. Mary was a sinful human woman. And all this is in the Bible itself.

our Catholic sacrament

lol, stealing the sacrament from God

the Catholic Church has allowed it

lol, you don’t allow anything.

Hence why the jews do not care about protestantism

Yeah, they sure didn’t spend centuries subverting it after taking over the papacy, did they. Definitly

they helped foment the protestant revolution

Imagine believing this.

Protestantism originated from a heretical foul mouthed emotionally disturbed Augustinian monk, Martin Luther

Who denounced judaism and said all synagogues and Talmuds should be burned.

Christ created one Church

And you’re not it.

the Catholic Church

Show where in the Bible it says the catholic (a word which means ‘universalist’, so the opposite of Christianity) church is Christendom. You wrote the damn thing, or so you claim, so surely you put a single reference thereto in it, right?

the same Church who has been identifying heresies and heretics like yourself

Reminder that Mary was a sinner, as proven by the Bible that “Catholics created.” Reminder that Mary not a perpetual virgin, as proven by the Bible that “Catholics created.” Reminder that Mary was not comediatrix, as proven by the Bible that “Catholics created.” Reminder that purgatory doesn’t exist, as proven by the Bible that “Catholics created.”

Seethe for me, papist. Burn with the fire of unholy indignation at being exposed by “your own” book for what you are, before you burn in the fires of Hell, which you will go to without visiting purgatory first.

Catholics don't worship the Blessed Virgin Mary

Your own books prove otherwise.

and this has never been taught by the Catholic Church

It has, yeah. You can’t hide it now.

Tell that to your mother.

lol, seethe

mattsixteen24 ago

Where in the bible does it directly teach the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity?

Where does it teach the protestant heresy of sola scriptura (bible alone) in the bible?

Where does it teach which books are the inspired word of God in the bible?

I'll give you one more chance to answer these questions. You're a bible only believer so you should be able to back up your claims with the bible. If you can't, then I take it you concede.

Tallest_Skil ago

Where in the bible does it directly teach the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity?

Oh, whoop. Forgot the links. Right here. And here. And here. And here. And here. And here. And here. And here.

Imagine not ever having actually read “your” most holy book because some literal faggot (because Vatican II allowed queers to join the papacy, and thereafter all the child rape bullshit started) with a backward collar told you that you’re not allowed to read it.

Where does it teach the protestant heresy of sola scriptura (bible alone) in the bible?

Right here. And here. And here. And here. You’ve denounced the contents of the Bible several times in this conversation alone.

Where does it teach which books are the inspired word of God in the bible?

Already covered.

You're a bible alone believer so you should be able to back up your claims with the bible.

Funny how you, a filthy papist who says the papacy created the Bible, are shilling for things that the Bible itself says are heresy, isn’t it? Almost as if you know you’re paid to post here and have been completely exposed.

mattsixteen24 ago

First off, protestants are full of faggots and rapists. The protestant "churches" have women and openly sodomite "priests" and "bishops" and they believe it's okay.

I was wrong about the Holy Trinity. I was thinking of something.

As far as bible alone, none of those verses support that belief. Isaiah has nothing to do with bible alone belief but about not seeking fortune tellers.

Matt. 28:19; Mark 16:15 - those that preached the Gospel to all creation but did not write the Gospel were not less obedient to Jesus, or their teachings less important.

Matt. 28:20 - "observe ALL I have commanded," but, as we see in John 20:30; 21:25, not ALL Jesus taught is in Scripture. So there must be things outside of Scripture that we must observe. This disproves "Bible alone" theology.

2 Tim. 3:14 - Protestants usually use 2 Tim. 3:16-17 to prove that the Bible is the sole authority of God's word. But examining these texts disproves their claim. Here, Paul appeals to apostolic tradition right before the Protestants' often quoted verse 2 Tim. 3:16-17. Thus, there is an appeal to tradition before there is an appeal to the Scriptures, and Protestants generally ignore this fact.

2 Tim. 3:15 - Paul then appeals to the sacred writings of Scripture referring to the Old Testament Scriptures with which Timothy was raised (not the New Testament which was not even compiled at the time of Paul's teaching). This verse also proves that one can come to faith in Jesus Christ without the New Testament.

2 Tim. 3:16 - this verse says that Scripture is "profitable" for every good work, but not exclusive. The word "profitable" is "ophelimos" in Greek. "Ophelimos" only means useful, which underscores that Scripture is not mandatory or exclusive. Protestants unbiblically argue that profitable means exclusive.

2 Tim. 3:16 - further, the verse "all Scripture" uses the words "pasa graphe" which actually means every (not all) Scripture. This means every passage of Scripture is useful. Thus, the erroneous Protestant reading of "pasa graphe" would mean every single passage of Scripture is exclusive. This would mean Christians could not only use "sola Matthew," or "sola Mark," but could rely on one single verse from a Gospel as the exclusive authority of God's word. This, of course, is not true and even Protestants would agree. Also, "pasa graphe" cannot mean "all of Scripture" because there was no New Testament canon to which Paul could have been referring, unless Protestants argue that the New Testament is not being included by Paul.

2 Tim. 3:16 - also, these inspired Old Testament Scriptures Paul is referring to included the deuterocanonical books which the Protestants removed from the Bible 1,500 years later.

2 Tim. 3:17 - Paul's reference to the "man of God" who may be complete refers to a clergyman, not a layman. It is an instruction to a bishop of the Church. So, although Protestants use it to prove their case, the passage is not even relevant to most of the faithful.

2 Tim. 3:17 - further, Paul's use of the word "complete" for every good work is "artios" which simply means the clergy is "suitable" or "fit." Also, artios does not describe the Scriptures, it describes the clergyman. So, Protestants cannot use this verse to argue the Scriptures are complete.

James 1:4 - steadfastness also makes a man "perfect (teleioi) and complete (holoklepoi), lacking nothing." This verse is important because "teleioi"and "holoklepoi" are much stronger words than "artios," but Protestants do not argue that steadfastness is all one needs to be a Christian.

Titus 3:8 - good deeds are also "profitable" to men. For Protestants especially, profitable cannot mean "exclusive" here.

2 Tim 2:21- purity is also profitable for "any good work" ("pan ergon agathon"). This wording is the same as 2 Tim. 3:17, which shows that the Scriptures are not exclusive, and that other things (good deeds and purity) are also profitable to men.

Col. 4:12 - prayer also makes men "fully assured." Nowhere does Scripture say the Christian faith is based solely on a book.

2 Tim. 3:16-17 - Finally, if these verses really mean that Paul was teaching sola Scriptura to the early Church, then why in 1 Thess. 2:13 does Paul teach that he is giving Revelation from God orally? Either Paul is contradicting his own teaching on sola Scriptura, or Paul was not teaching sola Scriptura in 2 Tim. 3:16-17. This is a critical point which Protestants cannot reconcile with their sola Scriptura position.

Regarding The Apocalypse (Revelation) 22:18-19, there are two considerations which undermine the Sola Scriptura interpretation of these verses. The passage – almost the very last in the Bible – reads: "For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book."

1) When these verses say that nothing is to be added to or taken from the "words of the prophecy of this book," they are not referring to Sacred Tradition being "added" to the Sacred Scripture. It is obvious from the context that the "book" being referred to here is Revelation or The Apocalypse and not the whole Bible. We know this because St. John says that anyone who is guilty of adding to "this book" will be cursed with the plagues" written in this book," namely the plagues he described earlier in his own book, Revelation. To assert otherwise is to do violence to the text and to distort its plain meaning, especially since the Bible as we know it did not exist when this passage was written and therefore could not be what was meant. (3)

In defense of their interpretation of these verses, Protestants will often contend that God knew in advance what the canon of Scripture would be, with Revelation being the last book of the Bible, and thus He "sealed" that canon with the words of verses 18-19. But this interpretation involves reading a meaning into the text. Furthermore, if such an assertion were true, how is it that the Christian knows unmistakably that Revelation 22:18-19 is "sealing" the canon unless an infallible teaching authority assures him that this is the correct interpretation of that verse? But if such an infallible authority exists, then the Sola Scriptura doctrine becomes ipso facto null and void.

2) The same admonition not to add or subtract words is used in Deuteronomy 4:2, which says, "You shall not add to the word that I speak to you, neither shall you take away from it: keep the commandment of the Lord your God which I command you." If we were to apply a parallel interpretation to this verse, then anything in the Bible beyond the decrees of the Old Testament law would be considered non-canonical or not authentic Scripture – including the New Testament! Once again, all Christians would reject this conclusion in no uncertain terms. The prohibition in Revelation 22:18-19 against "adding," therefore, cannot mean that Christians are forbidden to look to anything outside the Bible for guidance.

Mark 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to "preach," not write, and only three apostles wrote. The others who did not write were not less faithful to Jesus, because Jesus gave them no directive to write. There is no evidence in the Bible or elsewhere that Jesus intended the Bible to be sole authority of the Christian faith.

Luke 1:1-4 - Luke acknowledges that the faithful have already received the teachings of Christ, and is writing his Gospel only so that they "realize the certainty of the teachings you have received." Luke writes to verify the oral tradition they already received.

John 20:30; 21:25 - Jesus did many other things not written in the Scriptures. These have been preserved through the oral apostolic tradition and they are equally a part of the Deposit of Faith.

1 Cor. 11:2 - Paul commends the faithful to obey apostolic tradition, and not Scripture alone.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/solascriptura.htm

Phil. 4:9 - Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. There is nothing ever about obeying Scripture alone.

Acts 8:30-31; Heb. 5:12 - these verses show that we need help in interpreting the Scriptures. We cannot interpret them infallibly on our own. We need divinely appointed leadership within the Church to teach us.

Acts 15:1-14 – Peter resolves the Church’s first doctrinal issue regarding circumcision without referring to Scriptures.

Tallest_Skil ago

First off, protestants are full of faggots and rapists.

So no argument. Just a bunch of gish gallop (which I will nevertheless still individually disprove) straight from your Talmudic teaching. Got it.

I was wrong about the Holy Trinity.

NO SHIT YOU WERE, YOU FUCKING KIKE.

As far as bible alone, none of those verses support that belief.

They explicitly do.

those that preached the Gospel to all creation but did not write the Gospel were not less obedient to Jesus, or their teachings less important.

Holy shit, look at that judaism. Look at that fucking Talmudic perversion. This is the sort of conclusion you reach when your entire life is spent growing up on the Talmud. Sane people don’t think this way. Sane people don’t write legalese. The Talmud is literally a book of excuses to get around the law. And what did you do here? “OY VEY GOY THE VERSE DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT [X] THEREFORE [X] CAN BECOME MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE WORD OF GOD ITSELF!”

Your statement has NOTHING to do with the legitimacy establishing a secondary tradition to the word of God, nor do the verses say anything about doing so. You know who just creates a secondary oral tradition alongside a written tradition and then claims it’s more important than the written one?

JEWS DO THAT.

And when the jews infiltrated the catholic “church”, they brought their jewish perversions of Christian doctrine along with them. DON’T BOTHER DENYING IT; WE HAVE THE FUCKING DOCUMENTS.

Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves. The advice of the Grand Satraps and the Rabbis is the following:

  1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.
  2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.
  3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’ lives.
  4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.
  5. As for the other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of state, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.” ~ La Silva Curiosa de Italian de me, pp. 156-7; 1608

not ALL Jesus taught is in Scripture

Almost as though he spoke in parable, or something…

So there must be things outside of Scripture that we must observe.

No, because what he taught IS scripture.

Here, Paul appeals to apostolic tradition

Since you’re just copying shit from a source without understanding it, mind showing, in your own words, where this is done anywhere in the chapter?

there is an appeal to tradition before there is an appeal to the Scriptures

LOOK AT THIS FUCKING JUDAISM.

Paul then appeals to the sacred writings of Scripture referring to the Old Testament Scriptures with which Timothy was raised… This verse also proves that one can come to faith in Jesus Christ without the New Testament.

Which has nothing to do with the discussion except insofar as to become a Christian you MUST ignore the oral Torah, which explicitly denounced Him, and only follow the Old Testament, which prophecied His coming.

this verse says that Scripture is "profitable" for every good work, but not exclusive.

HahahahahahahHAHAHAH LITERAL TALMUDIC DOUBLESPEAK!

The word "profitable" is "ophelimos" in Greek. "Ophelimos" only means useful, which underscores that Scripture is not mandatory or exclusive.

How does it “underscore” that, subhuman? This is pilpul. You’re not even aware that you’re a fucking neurological jew.

This means every passage of Scripture is useful. Thus, the erroneous Protestant reading of "pasa graphe" would mean every single passage of Scripture is exclusive.

You’re literally just making shut up now.

This would mean Christians could not only use "sola Matthew," or "sola Mark," but could rely on one single verse from a Gospel as the exclusive authority of God's word.

No, because that’s not what the word ‘exclusive’ means in this context. Only a jew would claim otherwise, because only a jew pushes pilpul like this.

This, of course, is not true and even Protestants would agree.

Almost as though you’ve copied and pasted a strawman without comprehending it.

Also, "pasa graphe" cannot mean "all of Scripture" because there was no New Testament canon to which Paul could have been referring

lol, this is the best you can do, huh. So there was no scripture before the NT? So Jesus’ gospel wasn’t scripture?

included the deuterocanonical books which the Protestants removed from the Bible 1,500 years later.

Ooh, are these the books where you find sources for your claims about Mary and all that? Why didn’t you quote them instead of being blown the fuck out by Jesus’ own words? Is it because you know you worship a human woman instead of God Himself and don’t care?

2 Tim. 3:17

You’re obviously just copying this from some other source without understanding it, so I won’t even bother pointing out that the “man” used here is simply anthropos and not a distinct term for clergy (fun fact: Bible says ‘call no man father’), nor is it referenced separately as such by Strong’s or other such documentation, simply that it refers to believers. Because you don’t care about the Greek or even the Word itself.

Paul's use of the word "complete" for every good work is "artios" which simply means the clergy is "suitable" or "fit."

No, it means ‘full’ or ‘whole.’ You’re trying to explain away your jews in the clergy who don’t get doctrine correct, on purpose, by claiming that the aspiration for the clergy “is not” to be perfectly in accordance with the Word of God, simply “fit to read it.”

Also, artios does not describe the Scriptures, it describes the clergyman.

Uh… yeah. That was literally never in question.

So, Protestants cannot use this verse to argue the Scriptures are complete.

HAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA NO ONE WAS DOING THAT, SHLOMO.

CTND

Tallest_Skil ago

CTND

but Protestants do not argue that steadfastness is all one needs to be a Christian.

Because only a jew operates based on the emotional strength of a word (cough gematria cough), instead of on the doctrinal heirarchy

For Protestants especially, profitable cannot mean "exclusive" here.

Wow, you’re really doubling down on the use of a word unconnected to the argument.

the Scriptures are not exclusive, and that other things (good deeds and purity) are also profitable to men.

Fun fact: good deeds and purity come exclusively from adherence to doctrine, as outlined in the Scripture.

Col. 4:12 - prayer also makes men "fully assured."

Imagine thinking you’re going to heaven simply because you prayed–arbitrarily and facetiously–without knowledge of scripture. Imagine actually believing that. It’s why we have so many “christians” today who think “thoughts and prayers” make them a good person, when they’re godless sinners.

Finally

Oh good, I was getting bored of your non sequitur.

why in 1 Thess. 2:13 does Paul teach that he is giving Revelation from God orally?

Oh, okay. So Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John aren’t scripture because it’s a written account of what Jesus SAID to them, got it. I see. Phew, that was a close one. Guess Christianity is fake because Jesus wasn’t a mute who simply wrote everything down and handed it to his disciples to read and copy.

This is a critical point which Protestants cannot reconcile with their sola Scriptura position.

Literally just reconciled it. Why am I capable of holding a conversation on this subject–and even exposing how and where you got your doctrinal perversions–but you’re forced to just copy and paste from already disproven sources written by jews?

"For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.

Oh look, you’re adding to the book. Whoops!

1) When these verses say that nothing is to be added to or taken from the "words of the prophecy of this book," they are not referring to Sacred Tradition being "added" to the Sacred Scripture.

THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. THIS IS THE LITERAL DEFINITION OF JUDAISM. THIS IS HOW THE TORAH WAS ABOLISHED IN FAVOR OF THE TALMUD, YOU FUCKING KIKE. YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW YOUR OWN HISTORY.

Your next claim (copied and pasted that is; you’re personally too stupid to even comprehend what I’ve said) is that the Pharisees of Jesus’ time were “following God” in a biblical manner. It is the only claim you can possibly make, having just quoted this heresy of heresies as something you believe.

To assert otherwise is to do violence to the text

lol, “Mary was a virgin her whole life”

especially since the Bible as we know it did not exist when this passage was written

Huh, I thought you said it was spoken. Hmm…

But this interpretation involves reading a meaning into the text.

Yeah, you sure as shit haven’t done that in the above. Definitely not.

how is it that the Christian knows unmistakably that Revelation 22:18-19 is "sealing" the canon unless an infallible teaching authority assures him that this is the correct interpretation of that verse?

  1. How is it that you know any of the books are the Word of God, unless an infallible teaching authority (cough God cough) assures him that this is the correct interpretation?
  2. The papacy is not infallible, never has been, and never will be.

But if such an infallible authority exists

God.

then the Sola Scriptura doctrine becomes ipso facto null and void.

“God is null and void.” Got it. Thanks, papists!

The same admonition not to add or subtract words is used in Deuteronomy 4:2

NO SHIT. WHICH IS WHY THE TALMUD WAS A BASTARDIZATION OF GOD’S WORD.

If we were to apply a parallel interpretation to this verse, then anything in the Bible beyond the decrees of the Old Testament law would be considered non-canonical or not authentic Scripture

Except Jesus held the law fulfilled.

all Christians would reject this conclusion in no uncertain terms.

Which is why we reject papists’ claims that they are Christian; they aren’t.

The prohibition in Revelation 22:18-19 against "adding," therefore, cannot mean that Christians are forbidden to look to anything outside the Bible for guidance.

This is argument differs from the one originally stated. This is literal judaism in real time. 60 frames a second. HDR.

Mark 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to "preach," not write

Magical. So no one can even talk about scripture now.

There is no evidence in the Bible or elsewhere that Jesus intended the Bible to be sole authority of the Christian faith.

You say that, except it has nothing to do with the statements preceding.

Luke acknowledges that the faithful have already received the teachings of Christ

Back to the MMLJ argument from earlier.

and is writing his Gospel only so that they

Can hear the words after he’s dead, yeah.

Luke writes to verify the oral tradition they already received.

No no, shlomo. Words have meanings. The gospel of Jesus is not the “oral tradition”; it’s the scripture. What your papacy says is not equivalent.

Jesus did many other things not written in the Scriptures.

Oh good, I’ve been holding this pee in for decades because nowhere did it say that Jesus peed.

These have been preserved through the oral apostolic tradition and they are equally a part of the Deposit of Faith.

No no, shlomo. Your Talmud Lite isn’t equivalent to scripture.

Paul commends the faithful to obey apostolic tradition

No, to maintain the teachings of Christ.

Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. There is nothing ever about obeying Scripture alone.

Except what they learned, received, heard, and saw in him… comes from scripture. It’s why he taught it to them.

these verses show that we need help in interpreting the Scriptures.

Once again, you can’t answer this because you’re just copying and pasting, but I’ll ask anyway.

Who saves souls? And in which manner are souls saved?

You have to answer that before this point can continue.

We need divinely appointed leadership

The papacy isn’t infallible, kiddo.

Peter resolves the Church’s first doctrinal issue regarding circumcision without referring to Scriptures.

Funny how he’s quoting Jesus saying that circumcision is meaningless in the face of unrighteousness. Oops!

Have fun with that.

Destroyed. Enjoy hell, papist.

keksupreme ago

it make him separate from kike mind control and their demonic god, considering they use femtard ideology to control men. which is a good thing...being separate from kike control

Joe_McCarthy ago

Time for another jerk about how Playboy turned your dad into an alienated shut-in like you so he never had a nice white family and kids. Kids like you.

somebody112 ago

Playboy of 70s, 80s, 90s, and earlier availability of porn is NOTHING like what it is today. The most bizarre or disturbing porn is available to 12 year olds at the click of a button 24 hours a day, even on the go. We live in a different world from back then.

smokratez ago

Playboy is and was trannies. If you jerked off to playboy, you've jerked off to men. The money send to nasa was used to make better tranny pussies. lol

Joe_McCarthy ago

That's of course true. But much of this anti-porn copy is specifically directed at me and my posting of decades old Playboy clips. These people are not especially rational. More like evangelical.

M80TheMan ago

Time to start kiking out and reposting your same smut eh, joey?

Joe_McCarthy ago

Indeed.

https://gfycat.com/faithfulfirmkakarikis

Just look at her. Scrolling close ups of Lisa Dergan's vagina played over and over in a loop. Beat that for quality smut.

M80TheMan ago

I'll pass thank you.

Joe_McCarthy ago

I doubt it.

Glipglup ago

I would say imagine what it's like to be a retard on purpose on a dead forum closed to the public that acts as an outlet for the idiots who post here and as a hub for child molesters and using it as anything other than a wall to sling shit at, but I'm already talking to you.

@puttitout commit suicide do it faggot

Phantom42 ago

Fucking Hell man.

IF YOU'VE GOT A PORN ADDICTION, SET THAT AS YOUR WALLPAPER.

There.

No more addiction. 🙃

Niggertown ago

I like how someone just tacked on "separation from God" part and made something plausible into BS.

Anyways, God communicates through the penis which is why so many religious people get circumcisions: better reception. Masturbation should only further boost the signal.

smokratez ago

Every porn addict is an atheist. They are too dumb to see the pattern. lol

Qispoop4 ago

Carpal tunnel.

CowboyXero ago

Only if you're small. For the rest of us there's tennis elbow.

ketoll ago

It's all true except for "separation from God" part.

Romans 8:38-39 -

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Harry_Areola ago

It's all true except for "separation from God" part.

Of course not. Mythology is not real. Not even your Xtian brand.

smokratez ago

jesus was made up by jews.

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

That must be why jews hate jesus and want to erase him from culture

smokratez ago

The man Jesus existed and he hated jews and called them out. The son of God Jesus part was made up by jews. Don't you wish you weren't a braindead mongoloid, so you could think of things for yourself?

PaddyMcInfidel ago

For what purpose? And why would they tell a story where they were the perpetrators (crucifixion)? Why would they create a figure that they openly deny yet he is somehow the fulfillment of their own prophecies?

smokratez ago

We are all God's children. He loves us all equally. But wait, there is a super child of God, that he even brought back from the dead. Guess God didn't love you all equally, and you aren't as special as you thought you were. Isn't God kind of a dick?

Do you understand, or do I need to keep going?

PaddyMcInfidel ago

I'm not sure where you got the idea that we are all God's children and he loves us all equally but it is not a biblical concept. Jesus called the pharisees children of satan. And while Jesus is called the Son of Man, this is a specific unique title for only Jesus, one of the three coequal persons that make up the being that is the triune God. Jesus is God, clearly explained in the first chapter of the book of John and elsewhere in the bible. All things were created by him, through him and for him.

I'm not trying to convince you, just explaining why your arguments are a strawman and not representative of biblical Christianity.

smokratez ago

So you don't understand. Well, that's your problem.

If you worship a false God, you won't go to heaven. Jesus was made up. If you worship him, you won't go to heaven. Can't make it any more simple than that.

Spiteful_Mutant ago

I separate myself from jewgod, it's evil teachings, and it's evil minions every chance I get.

BoomerHater1488er ago

It will never cease to amaze me how many ethnic Europeans will mock the god of Judaism as a barbaric, bloodthirsty, sandnigger god and it will never occur to them that the god of Chirtcuckholdry is the same fucking entity.

Spreading The Adventures of Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef and Other Tales for Gullible Goyim among their ethnic enemies is the most insidious thing the Jew has ever done.

And now we've got ethnic Europeans who believe this shit. Makes me sick.

Uncle_Slob ago

Don't mean them likes won't try.

mattsixteen24 ago

Heretic!

[28] You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultry. [29] But I say to you, that whoever shall see a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultry with her in his heart. [30] And if thy right eye scandlize thee, pluck it out, & cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy limbs perish, rather then thy wholebody be cast into Hell. [31] And if thy right hand scandlize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy limbs perish rather then that thy whole body go into Hell.

Matthew Chapter 5

ketoll ago

Which covenant was in place while Jesus was teaching in Matthew? What happened when he fulfilled this covenant? Your sources aren't incorrect, but Matthew/Romans were written under two separate covenants.

ketoll ago

I don't know what you're trying to say with this page full of information. I reject the Catholic religion.

mattsixteen24 ago

It's a catechism written by an ex-protestant turned Catholic.

BoomerHater1488er ago

Oh, take that stupid Jewish superstition somewhere else.

RedWolfTheAnimal ago

Okay so you want me to cut my fucking arm off?

BoomerHater1488er ago

Don't try to make sense of Judaism.

BoomerHater1488er ago

Lmfao you believe in those kike fairy tales?

Trash_Panda ago

You can still separate yourself from someone who loves you. The fact that they love you makes it even more painful.

One might even say like hell

u_r_wat_u_eat ago

God is love, god is truth. To live without god is to lie, cheat and steal. Sinning creates anxiety and will make life miserable.

To be with god you just have to be truthful, and if theres ever anything you feel you would need to lie about then you probably shouldnt be doing it in the first place

Glipglup ago

Christians are retarded and literally can't understand what logical procession is. That's why they act like easily manipulated cattle. You can't have free will if an entity knows all existence because the knowledge presupposes that existence has already occured in it's entirety for it to be known. That's the first of many logical inconsistencies these pig smut religions teach you. But I don't know why I bother, I mean either you already understand this or you're someone who had to be tricked into believing a silly book because otherwise you would become a demonic child murderer rapist.

If I were in charge of the universe, baby rape and Jews wouldn't exist. Your entire family is going to die? Snaps fingers nope forever happiness unconditional. Dead babies? snaps fingers nope babies just don't die no negative consequences for it.

Endless suffering? snaps fingers nope all of life gets to experience unconditional eternal goodness, no suffering or darkness needed as a contrast to appreciate it.

God can do all that but instead he keeps niggers and baby rape on Earth because he thinks it's funny watching us squirm.

I am literally better than this so called God.

antiracistMetal ago

You can't have free will if an entity knows all existence because the knowledge presupposes that existence has already occured in it's entirety for it to be known.

Yes you can. I bet you can go into a store and order the same thing every day. The chef knows what you're going to order before you do. You hesitate and look at the menu. But then you order what you always do. He knew that you would. But you'd still maintain you ordered freely. No one was controlling you.

Even if mad scientists were controlling you with chips in your brain. They would know what your order would be. But after your order, you would maintain that you ordered freely, unknowing about the mad scientists who controlled you.

In conclusion, free will and belief in your own personal free will do not depend a lot on someone already knowing you're going to do something.

@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha @maroonsaint @jewsbadnews

fusir ago

Would you prefer a God who entirely removes your free will? Because he respects agency negative consequences still exist. You say you are more moral that him, but the God you demand to exist for him to exist is a God you would hate.

Glipglup ago

You're stupid but don't realize it. All humans are stupid. You're right about one thing though, we deserve to be suffering.

PaulNeriAustralia ago

you ain't wrong, bro. How we have otherwise intelligent people still believing in a god-in-the-sky, just like the primitives, is quite beyond me!

fusir ago

I never said that we deserve to be suffering. You make huge leaps on logic left and right. First because a moral dilemma you clearly haven't thought that much about isn't resolved doesn't prove or disprove the existence of anything, though you claim it does. Next that I said that the conditions of reality and man's free will means that suffering will happen is not the same as a claim that it is deserved.

You claim that others are incapable of logic but the logic of your own that you so revere above the logic of your fellow man is nowhere close to what actual logic is. Go to school.

letshavemimosas ago

So what in your view are the costs of porn?