Twitter is the best for redpilling on the holohoax, keep mentioning the masturbation machines, rollercoasters of death and how there is no evidence of the 6 million bodies because of the bone crushing machines yet they wrote documents that made this act of crushing bones non redundant.
100% they will then reply saying cremation leaves no evidence of bodies... that's when you jump on them and call them a denying nazi and link to the bone crushing machine. Only in the most retarded of people does this not click something and they'll look into it more. Been doing it all week.
I don't want to get into this discussion again, but I guess I have to.
I'm a non-Jew who had ancestors in the camps. Grandma made it to Auschwitz itself, having been originally picked up by Gestapo in south Serbia for helping Partisan guerrillas. She was about 20 at the time. She only died about 4 years ago. It's really unfortunate that I haven't met you voaters earlier, because I would have loved to quiz her from a more skeptical point of view. Hell, I would have done an AMA for you guys.
Grandma arrived in Auschwitz I think in January 1943. My numbers are fuzzy, I really need to work this out, but I think she spent maybe short of a year in Auschwitz, before getting transferred to some light bulb factory. The conditions in the light bulb factory were much better, and she was no longer in life danger. She was eventually freed by Americans.
She barely survived the few months in Auschwitz, not because anybody was trying to kill her, but because the conditions in the camps were deteriorated. Food got scarce, and disease was deadly. At one point she almost died of typhoid. She credits her life to another prisoner, some Soviet woman, who gave her some medication.
Ashes
This is what prompted me to write the whole thing. The only Auschwitz work duty of grandma's that I heard of was spreading bags of ash in the field, like you would do with fertilizer. The reason I heard of it was because the only time a German guard got out of line and raised a hand to her was once during that duty.
You're supposed to spread the ash in straight lines, and I guess she fucked up and made her line crooked one too many times, and the guard got off the horse and hit her. His superior officer saw it, and rebuked him on the spot, in front of all the prisoners. That flies in the face of Hollywood depictions of an orgy of violence.
By the sounds of things the bags she was spreading in that field did contain ash from the dead inmates, probably mostly Jews, as Grandma says that their side of the camp had even worse conditions.
And conditions really did differ greatly depending on where you were. My Great-grandpa (not related to grandma) was the other family member who ended up in a concentration camp, Mauthausen. (Previously I said Dachau to someone on this site, maybe it was with my old login. I fucked up, it wasn't Dachau, it was Mauthausen.)
The conditions he was in were objectively excellent. No comparison. See he was picked up as an Officer POW. He got picked up when Germans were rounding up men in his small Serbian town for god-knows-what. Most likely they just needed some ditches dug. But it could have also been one of the mass executions. (For a while Germans were trying out a policy of quelling the Serbian guerrilla uprisings by killing 100 Serbian civilians for every German soldier killed by guerrillas.)
Anyway, when they came to round up Great-grandpa, they searched the rest of the house for any hidden men of age. They didn't find any, but they saw Great-grandpa's old military uniform. He was around 50 at the time and had long retired from that work, but he had been a Major in the Serbian army. When the supervising German officer saw that, he separated him from the rest of the prisoners, and took him as a POW.
He got shipped off to Mauthausen Oflag. The conditions there were great. He was a sculptor after retiring from the army, and he organized an artist's colony among the inmates. At the end of the war he brought his sculptures he made there home with him. I mean this sounds better than Club Fed.
In fact Mauthausen Oflag was so good that he went back to it voluntarily. See at some point during the war, the Serbian puppet government was looking to fill out their positions, and they summoned him back to Belgrade to offer him some government post. He got back to Serbia, sniffed around, and I think figured out that he's safer lying low than getting involved. So he politely declined and went back to the concentration camp.
Here's what I think happened, big picture. I think in the beginning German concentration camps were basically the same as American internment camps. But there was a world of difference between running a camp in Hawaii where the country was still fully functional, and running it in Poland where there is death and destruction everywhere from land and sky and the country is losing the biggest bloodiest war in history.
Clearly Mauthausen Oflag was heaven compared to Auschwitz. And in Auschwitz itself there was segregation, and it sounds like my grandma's section, as deadly as it was, was still better than Jews had it, maybe better than men had it, etc.
And as organized as the Germans are, shit was falling apart everywhere. Last time I posted here about this, I tried to track down when my Grandma was admitted to Auschwitz based on her tattoo number. That's when I discovered that Auschwitz had like 20 different tattoo formats over the years, and that they fucked up the numbering repeatedly. This from a nation that is normally so amazingly organized and disciplined. About 10 years ago my grandma was sitting at home in Serbia watching the news. She's looking at the usual shit show of corruption and incompetence that is Serbia and spontaneously bursts out "This place needs a German". That's how respected German efficiency and discipline is, and yet in Auschwitz they couldn't even keep their tattoo numbers sequential.
I don't think Germans set out to deliberately kill all Jews, Gypsies etc. But I do think that a ton died. 6 gorillion is probably a bullshit figure, but it's got to be in millions. That's just WW2 for you, man.
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DayOfThePillow ago
Twitter is the best for redpilling on the holohoax, keep mentioning the masturbation machines, rollercoasters of death and how there is no evidence of the 6 million bodies because of the bone crushing machines yet they wrote documents that made this act of crushing bones non redundant.
100% they will then reply saying cremation leaves no evidence of bodies... that's when you jump on them and call them a denying nazi and link to the bone crushing machine. Only in the most retarded of people does this not click something and they'll look into it more. Been doing it all week.
1812-was-not-a-tie ago
I don't want to get into this discussion again, but I guess I have to.
I'm a non-Jew who had ancestors in the camps. Grandma made it to Auschwitz itself, having been originally picked up by Gestapo in south Serbia for helping Partisan guerrillas. She was about 20 at the time. She only died about 4 years ago. It's really unfortunate that I haven't met you voaters earlier, because I would have loved to quiz her from a more skeptical point of view. Hell, I would have done an AMA for you guys.
Grandma arrived in Auschwitz I think in January 1943. My numbers are fuzzy, I really need to work this out, but I think she spent maybe short of a year in Auschwitz, before getting transferred to some light bulb factory. The conditions in the light bulb factory were much better, and she was no longer in life danger. She was eventually freed by Americans.
She barely survived the few months in Auschwitz, not because anybody was trying to kill her, but because the conditions in the camps were deteriorated. Food got scarce, and disease was deadly. At one point she almost died of typhoid. She credits her life to another prisoner, some Soviet woman, who gave her some medication.
Ashes
This is what prompted me to write the whole thing. The only Auschwitz work duty of grandma's that I heard of was spreading bags of ash in the field, like you would do with fertilizer. The reason I heard of it was because the only time a German guard got out of line and raised a hand to her was once during that duty.
You're supposed to spread the ash in straight lines, and I guess she fucked up and made her line crooked one too many times, and the guard got off the horse and hit her. His superior officer saw it, and rebuked him on the spot, in front of all the prisoners. That flies in the face of Hollywood depictions of an orgy of violence.
By the sounds of things the bags she was spreading in that field did contain ash from the dead inmates, probably mostly Jews, as Grandma says that their side of the camp had even worse conditions.
And conditions really did differ greatly depending on where you were. My Great-grandpa (not related to grandma) was the other family member who ended up in a concentration camp, Mauthausen. (Previously I said Dachau to someone on this site, maybe it was with my old login. I fucked up, it wasn't Dachau, it was Mauthausen.)
The conditions he was in were objectively excellent. No comparison. See he was picked up as an Officer POW. He got picked up when Germans were rounding up men in his small Serbian town for god-knows-what. Most likely they just needed some ditches dug. But it could have also been one of the mass executions. (For a while Germans were trying out a policy of quelling the Serbian guerrilla uprisings by killing 100 Serbian civilians for every German soldier killed by guerrillas.)
Anyway, when they came to round up Great-grandpa, they searched the rest of the house for any hidden men of age. They didn't find any, but they saw Great-grandpa's old military uniform. He was around 50 at the time and had long retired from that work, but he had been a Major in the Serbian army. When the supervising German officer saw that, he separated him from the rest of the prisoners, and took him as a POW.
He got shipped off to Mauthausen Oflag. The conditions there were great. He was a sculptor after retiring from the army, and he organized an artist's colony among the inmates. At the end of the war he brought his sculptures he made there home with him. I mean this sounds better than Club Fed.
In fact Mauthausen Oflag was so good that he went back to it voluntarily. See at some point during the war, the Serbian puppet government was looking to fill out their positions, and they summoned him back to Belgrade to offer him some government post. He got back to Serbia, sniffed around, and I think figured out that he's safer lying low than getting involved. So he politely declined and went back to the concentration camp.
Here's what I think happened, big picture. I think in the beginning German concentration camps were basically the same as American internment camps. But there was a world of difference between running a camp in Hawaii where the country was still fully functional, and running it in Poland where there is death and destruction everywhere from land and sky and the country is losing the biggest bloodiest war in history.
Clearly Mauthausen Oflag was heaven compared to Auschwitz. And in Auschwitz itself there was segregation, and it sounds like my grandma's section, as deadly as it was, was still better than Jews had it, maybe better than men had it, etc.
And as organized as the Germans are, shit was falling apart everywhere. Last time I posted here about this, I tried to track down when my Grandma was admitted to Auschwitz based on her tattoo number. That's when I discovered that Auschwitz had like 20 different tattoo formats over the years, and that they fucked up the numbering repeatedly. This from a nation that is normally so amazingly organized and disciplined. About 10 years ago my grandma was sitting at home in Serbia watching the news. She's looking at the usual shit show of corruption and incompetence that is Serbia and spontaneously bursts out "This place needs a German". That's how respected German efficiency and discipline is, and yet in Auschwitz they couldn't even keep their tattoo numbers sequential.
I don't think Germans set out to deliberately kill all Jews, Gypsies etc. But I do think that a ton died. 6 gorillion is probably a bullshit figure, but it's got to be in millions. That's just WW2 for you, man.
MrTotenkopf ago
And then everyone clapped the busdriver's 10 year old son.