BlackManOnVoat ago

I looked it up the other day, and you cannot do this with a trust.

Bing11 ago

You could make a colossal toxic waste dump and improperly store terrible stuff that leak everywhere and no one could stop you or even clean it up at their expense with out your permission.

As long as your leakage doesn't impact me (ex: doesn't leak into my property or the air I breathe) why should I have any rights to complain?

B-------D ago

Exactly. I can poision myself all I like right? I could see a situation where if it is PERMANENT damage to the area like radioactivity or some chemicals then that should be banned since we are not immortal and future generations are denied that resource.

BlackManOnVoat ago

Interesting idea, although most people wouldn't put a meth lab or toxic waste on their land lol People would just live there.

I forgot to mention that you could also just grow certain crops and the U.S. gov will exempt you from property tax (they'll just call it a subsidy). I think I assumed that people already know about that though.

Astroqualia ago

This sounds like more "infinite money in strawman accounts" bs. Be wary, the strawman accounts are tricking people into committing wire fraud.

lanre ago

I did some reading and while in theory I don't see how the government can steal your land (unless via eminent domain laws that were already on the books) if they gave it to you, it looks like on reality it doesn't work out.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2013/07/26/federal-land-patent-barring-property-tax-argument-fails-in-wisconsin/

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ak-supreme-court/1730202.html

If you can find a case where someone has won that would be great though.

B-------D ago

There are lots of people who try to use the idea to get out of PAYING for their property purchased with borrowed funds from a bank. It does not work that way.

BlackManOnVoat ago

Well, yeah, that wouldn't work at all.

B-------D ago

Yeah. I tried to explain to them how they were wrong... ha ha. Good times.

BloatedVoatGoat ago

This could be big for agricultural land. You have to have a lot of it as a farmer and pay through the nose for schools that leep gettitng voted in by numbers but paid for by acres of land needed to keep an operation.

BlackManOnVoat ago

Thing is, most farmers get paid subsidies or are exempt from property tax by growing certain crops on their land. So most farmers really wouldn't want to change that if they are already paying nothing.

muffalettadiver ago

So who's going to do this and report back?

70times7 ago

Not saying it isnt worth it, but you will pay far more in lawyer fees fighting it up the courts, then just relenting and paying the snakes their shekels.

BlackManOnVoat ago

That is a possibility too. But there is an option if people want to go that route.

Mylon ago

That's fundamentally the whole point of taxes. They're evil, but the alternative is paying security, mafias, bandits, or succumbing to the occasional looter. Generally tax is the least painful option.

NiggadermCQ ago

I'd prefer a respectable lawyer get the money over the government, even if it costs a little more.

elitch2 ago

What nonsense you tell yourself.

A slave in your own mind.

Doglegwarrior ago

Yep you said what i was thinking these slaves these sheeple it is sad.

Mylon ago

Please tell me the alternative. That you stay awake 24/7 and shoot anyone that comes on your property?

elitch2 ago

How about not living with spics, niggers and other assorted shit skins?

You think that's what life was like, before the massive police state?

Go read some literature from the 1800's.

ZeroFuggzGiven ago

Fuckin saved. I bought my place out right, I ought to own it.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

I believe I read cases where even in California land patent rules. Do you know of any cases where it failed?

BlackManOnVoat ago

I have heard of cases where this failed, but I really don't remember the exact details as this was a while ago (years). This is why you'll have to get multiple lawyers as they'd be able to figure out any and nearly all pitfalls that can cause your own case to fail. Also now, in 2019 we already have activist judges (California, Hawaii) already violating the constitution to stop the president from enforcing the constitution. It's very likely that they'd easily try and stop you as well.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

People will always try.

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BlackManOnVoat ago

I'm not sure, I haven't looked into that part yet, I just remembered hearing about this years ago and recently people have been bringing the whole " you can't own your own land" thing up on Voat, and it reminded me of it. I'd implore you to get multiple lawyers in on this and see what you can do.