change the algorithm to that those with upvoats from certain subs are just voided out of the sub. calculate number of downvoats / upvoats per sub somehow and have that affects how that affects the post's visibility
idk how, and it sounds basically like what google does, but hey, it's not banning
it's honestly a difficult question, because how do you prevent bots / shills / sybil attacks? imagine a potent AI that could relatively half-decently reply to most of the comments on voat, and eventually comes to fill out 60-80% of the daily comment total... what now?
The AI problem is a different one, won't occur for quite some time and if it does we'll probably have much bigger issues.
The "People saying things we don't agree with" is the one we're dealing with now. Upvoat farming should be dealt with, but if anyone on this site is advocating people that have certain viewpoints be silenced or shadowbanned then they are missing the whole point of the site. That's exactly what Reddit was all about and it shouldn't be the same here.
then we should eliminate the concept of upvoats/downvoats all together? so everything has an equal chance to be seen? I don't want things to be an echo chamber, sure, but I don't want equality to the point of drowning out popular content content.
one might upvoat & giggle at hundreds of jew memes, but how much do they really know about religion / geopolitics / economics, etc? depends on the path of the individual and how they're using / transforming the information. otherwise it's just masturbation
really it comes out to being reminded to seek out differences in opinion rather than bask in social media that simply reaffirms belief structures. this is an obvious thing to real initiates, all the rest surface floaters will always be that, surface floaters.
Honestly, I don't know what the answer is to the upvoat farming and overall ensuring people see good content all the time. Perhaps up/downvoats need thinking about? In a system without upvoats and downvoats would you just end up with pages and pages of useless spam posts because there is nothing you can do about it?
What I do know is that it's incredibly easy to block subs you don't want to see (Some would say too easy), in fact I've got QRV blocked because of the sheer volume it creates on the frontpage. Just like I've blocked a few other subs that are either irrelevant to my interests or have content purely in languages I don't speak. Perhaps people just need to figure this part out so they can go on with Voat being as it was prior to QRV, or any other mass migration. Perhaps the answer is simply for people to stop throwing shit at each other and downvoating each other for disagreements and block the subs they don't care about rather than calling them out.
I've definitely noticed that the atmosphere is a shit-ton more aggressive and volatile lately though. Feels like a Voat Civil War.
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Nalbarcam ago
change the algorithm to that those with upvoats from certain subs are just voided out of the sub. calculate number of downvoats / upvoats per sub somehow and have that affects how that affects the post's visibility
idk how, and it sounds basically like what google does, but hey, it's not banning
Dingolicious ago
Sounds a lot like censorship and shadowbanning to me.
Nalbarcam ago
it's honestly a difficult question, because how do you prevent bots / shills / sybil attacks? imagine a potent AI that could relatively half-decently reply to most of the comments on voat, and eventually comes to fill out 60-80% of the daily comment total... what now?
Dingolicious ago
The AI problem is a different one, won't occur for quite some time and if it does we'll probably have much bigger issues.
The "People saying things we don't agree with" is the one we're dealing with now. Upvoat farming should be dealt with, but if anyone on this site is advocating people that have certain viewpoints be silenced or shadowbanned then they are missing the whole point of the site. That's exactly what Reddit was all about and it shouldn't be the same here.
Nalbarcam ago
then we should eliminate the concept of upvoats/downvoats all together? so everything has an equal chance to be seen? I don't want things to be an echo chamber, sure, but I don't want equality to the point of drowning out popular content content.
one might upvoat & giggle at hundreds of jew memes, but how much do they really know about religion / geopolitics / economics, etc? depends on the path of the individual and how they're using / transforming the information. otherwise it's just masturbation
really it comes out to being reminded to seek out differences in opinion rather than bask in social media that simply reaffirms belief structures. this is an obvious thing to real initiates, all the rest surface floaters will always be that, surface floaters.
Dingolicious ago
Honestly, I don't know what the answer is to the upvoat farming and overall ensuring people see good content all the time. Perhaps up/downvoats need thinking about? In a system without upvoats and downvoats would you just end up with pages and pages of useless spam posts because there is nothing you can do about it?
What I do know is that it's incredibly easy to block subs you don't want to see (Some would say too easy), in fact I've got QRV blocked because of the sheer volume it creates on the frontpage. Just like I've blocked a few other subs that are either irrelevant to my interests or have content purely in languages I don't speak. Perhaps people just need to figure this part out so they can go on with Voat being as it was prior to QRV, or any other mass migration. Perhaps the answer is simply for people to stop throwing shit at each other and downvoating each other for disagreements and block the subs they don't care about rather than calling them out.
I've definitely noticed that the atmosphere is a shit-ton more aggressive and volatile lately though. Feels like a Voat Civil War.