Alimony and Child supoprt should be eliminated. Women should be 100% financially liable for anything that comes out of their womb (whatever)

submitted ago by jernos201

A powerful societal pressure against being a slut in traditional European culture was the inability of a slut to provide for herself if she bore a bastard child . A man was not obligated to take care of a whore's child and thus women were pressured to be conservative because they risked not having a financial means to support their child if they simply whored themselves out.

Sluts have managed to circumvent this aspect of traditional society since the 20th century with the rise of modern child support and alimony laws. This lets sluts to whore themselves out and then collect a paycheck once enough of the sluts countless partners have taken paternity tests. Slutty behavior can be directly tied to the consequences of slutty behavior: if it is a financial risk, less women will be slutty.

Lets eliminate the aspect of the legal system that incentivizes slutty behavior. Get rid of alimony and child support.

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Adminstrater ago

Everyone wants to focus on laws.

The problem is with proper moral education.

A moral society is a functional society.

Crensch ago

This is probably the stupidest thing I'll read today.

It's the law that forces men to finance sluts. It's the law that forces taxes to go to single moms. Take those away, and morality magically becomes fashionable again.

Or, you know, you could act like the virtue-signalling busybodies of the past 50 years and become repellent to the masses. Nobody wants to be told what they can't do by holier-than-thou faggots, whether on the left or the right.

Sarcastatron_9000 ago

It's the law that forces men to finance sluts.

Maybe men shouldn't have sex with sluts then, or with any woman that they would not want to be the mother of their potential children. It's not like you guys have great birth control options, and the law isn't exactly on your side, so why take that risk? If men are going to play a stupid game then they too deserve to win a stupid prize. The fault here is not only on women's shoulders; the men that slutty women are having sex with are also responsible for any kids that are conceived and for whatever fallout results. They should've made better life choices.

Crensch ago

Idiot.

Any woman can be tempted to ruin a man, no matter how sure the man is that she is wife material.

Get your head out of the clouds, faggot.

Sarcastatron_9000 ago

Men are pretty weak-minded then, if that's the case. Maybe you guys are the weaker sex if all it takes to ruin a man is a pretty face and some pretty little lies.

At any rate, my point is that men need to take responsibility for their own choices. If a man chooses to sleep with a slut, or to have hookups and casual encounters with women he barely knows, or to jump in bed with a new girlfriend right away, that's his own damn fault and he has some responsibility for whatever happens.

Crensch ago

Maybe you cunts are the weaker sex if all it takes to ruin a man is a false rape accusation.

And with that your entire narrative, and attack on men is destroyed.

Get back in the kitchen.

Sarcastatron_9000 ago

Aren't we triggered. Look, sarcasm aside, all I'm saying is that if you want women to be responsible with their sexual choices, why don't you want the same for men? Why should women be the only ones to be smart about their reproductive capacity while men should not have to take any responsibility for the consequences of spreading their seed? All you are advocating for is men being irresponsible and childish.

Crensch ago

I'm advocating for the law to not punish men for trusting women. Not having a law that punishes men is NOT a punishment for women.

All YOU are advocating is for men to be forced by threat of government.

Get back in the kitchen, cunt.

Sarcastatron_9000 ago

I'm advocating for the law to not punish men for trusting women.

Having to financially support a child that you helped conceive via consensual sex is not being "punished" for "trusting women", any more than making abortion illegal constitutes "punishing" women.

Again, I think that abortion should be illegal unless it is the only way to save the woman's life, or if the baby is so terminally diseased that if it survives birth it will die in pain. So it's not like I only think that men should have to take responsibility for the children they conceive. I think women should too. I don't think people should be able to fuck off and either abandon their own child or outright kill it - both are equally selfish and reprehensible.

If you are going to have sex with a woman and risk making a baby, you'd better make damn sure that she is trustworthy and that you are in a position where you can afford to provide for a child if she gets pregnant. Same goes for women - if you're going to have sex with a man and risk pregnancy, you'd better make damn sure that he is trustworthy and that you are in a position to provide for a child if you get pregnant. Both men and women need to be more careful about their sexual choices. We used to have stigma and social pressure to keep people in line and it worked way better than this current climate of abortions and "financial abortions" - there were fewer out-of-wedlock kids, for starters, and fewer moms who were single because they had fucked their life up rather than because they were widows.

All YOU are advocating is for men to be forced by threat of government.

No. What concerns me most is not what stupid, selfish, irresponsible adults want to do to rid themselves of the need to be accountable for the results of their shitty choices. What concerns me most is that children are not butchered in the womb before birth or abandoned by their worthless fathers after birth. You are advocating for the equivalent of abortion for men and I think it's pathetic. Deadbeat dads are pathetic.

Crensch ago

Having to financially support a child that you helped conceive via consensual sex is not being "punished" for "trusting women", any more than making abortion illegal constitutes "punishing" women.

Stupid whore. If a man has to financially support a child, that child is HIS, not hers. Period. She gets NO say in the child's upbringing, and the child lives with him.

Also, THE GOVERNMENT FORCING THIS is fucking wrong, and you're a sick fuck for wanting it.

Again, I think that abortion should be illegal unless it is the only way to save the woman's life,

Stupid argument. Chances of happening so astronomically small that there's no reason to litigate on it at all. Just let that one in 500million woman die.

Also, I'm NOT ARGUING FOR ABORTION HERE. You really are fucking stupid.

or if the baby is so terminally diseased that if it survives birth it will die in pain.

So you're pro-abortion? You think the government will just leave well enough alone? That it won't legalize for a gimp leg? Or for it being white (in the U.K., for instance)?

So it's not like I only think that men should have to take responsibility for the children they conceive. I think women should too. I don't think people should be able to fuck off and either abandon their own child or outright kill it - both are equally selfish and reprehensible.

You want the GOVERNMENT to step in and force this. Stupid, stupid, stupid cunt. Massively stupid cunt.

If you are going to have sex with a woman and risk making a baby, you'd better make damn sure that she is trustworthy and that you are in a position where you can afford to provide for a child if she gets pregnant. Same goes for women - if you're going to have sex with a man and risk pregnancy, you'd better make damn sure that he is trustworthy and that you are in a position to provide for a child if you get pregnant. Both men and women need to be more careful about their sexual choices. We used to have stigma and social pressure to keep people in line and it worked way better than this current climate of abortions and "financial abortions" - there were fewer out-of-wedlock kids, for starters, and fewer moms who were single because they had fucked their life up rather than because they were widows.

Now you're just rambling like a whore to try and obfuscate the shame you should be feeling for having been so dishonest. Some part of you knows you should admit you're wrong, but you're too cowardly for that.

You're arguing something that literally nobody else was addressing here, and you're too stupid to understand that.

THE LAW was the only thing I was arguing against. Re-read my words, if you have the reading comprehension ability to do so.

No. What concerns me most is not what stupid, selfish, irresponsible adults want to do to rid themselves of the need to be accountable for the results of their shitty choices. What concerns me most is that children are not butchered in the womb before birth or abandoned by their worthless fathers after birth.

Nobody gives a fuck what you think. This doesn't address a goddamn thing I've said. It's an argument against words I didn't speak, and a position I don't hold.

It's an admission that you haven't thought any of this through, and you're responding like a stupid woman would respond when she's trying to act like she knows something. Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

You are advocating for the equivalent of abortion for men and I think it's pathetic. Deadbeat dads are pathetic.

You're really, REALLY fucking stupid.

Show me where I advocated for this. Here, I'll quote my own words for you:

This is probably the stupidest thing I'll read today.

It's the law that forces men to finance sluts. It's the law that forces taxes to go to single moms. Take those away, and morality magically becomes fashionable again.

Or, you know, you could act like the virtue-signalling busybodies of the past 50 years and become repellent to the masses. Nobody wants to be told what they can't do by holier-than-thou faggots, whether on the left or the right.

Sarcastatron_9000 ago

I think I would rather wait until after you've calmed down to talk to you. You're very emotional right now and obviously not up to the challenge of having a rational discussion. Perhaps by morning you will better have your feelings and your temper under control. Maybe give this a read. What I'm getting from your rather ridiculous screed is that you want there to be no laws whatsoever to protect children and ensure that their parents don't just fuck off and abandon them; you are pissed at women because they are able to take everything and leave a man with nothing; and you think what is better for everyone is if men can take everything and leave women with nothing. Whatever, bitch. It doesn't matter what you want to happen; that isn't how things work in society. Thank God for that because your version sounds even more shitty than the way it is now. At least now kids have at least a bit of protection, and deadbeat sacks of shit don't all just get to run away and abandon their kids.

Crensch ago

Let's play a little game:

I'm going to quote my original comment, then I'm going to pick apart your first response, and we'll see who's being reasonable here.

This is probably the stupidest thing I'll read today.

It's the law that forces men to finance sluts. It's the law that forces taxes to go to single moms. Take those away, and morality magically becomes fashionable again.

Or, you know, you could act like the virtue-signalling busybodies of the past 50 years and become repellent to the masses. Nobody wants to be told what they can't do by holier-than-thou faggots, whether on the left or the right.

That's what I wrote. Now we'll analyze your response:

Maybe men shouldn't have sex with sluts then, or with any woman that they would not want to be the mother of their potential children.

  1. Who said that men should?

  2. What does it matter if they have sex with a potential mother if there are cash and prizes enticing the woman to screw him over?

  3. Taxes STILL go to single moms.

What did these words even accomplish here, besides showing that you aren't capable of responding to my arguments?

It's not like you guys have great birth control options, and the law isn't exactly on your side, so why take that risk?

  1. Women can write a man's name on a birth certificate and get money.

  2. Women can falsely accuse of rape.

  3. Women can take a man to court for watching her kids once and have a reasonable odds of getting child support

  4. Taxes STILL go to single moms.

What did these words even accomplish here, besides showing that you aren't capable of responding to my arguments?

If men are going to play a stupid game then they too deserve to win a stupid prize.

  1. They don't even have to play. They just have to be around, or have a name.

  2. Taxes STILL go to single moms.

What did these words even accomplish here, besides showing that you aren't capable of responding to my arguments?

The fault here is not only on women's shoulders; the men that slutty women are having sex with are also responsible for any kids that are conceived and for whatever fallout results.

  1. Who said it was? Who said they weren't?

  2. Who is going to hold them accountable? The government?

  3. Taxes STILL go to single moms.

What did these words even accomplish here, besides showing that you aren't capable of responding to my arguments?

They should've made better life choices.

  1. Again. Other than literally not having a name that can be written on a birth certificate, what choice? Even avoiding women entirely is near impossible with hiring quotas for businesses.

  2. Taxes STILL go to single moms.

What did these words even accomplish here, besides showing that you aren't capable of responding to my arguments?

You addressed exactly zero of my arguments. You made an emotional, anti-man diatribe that you thought would be received by a roomful of white knights nodding in agreement because they want what's between your legs.

Your mental faculties are woefully underdeveloped, and it's very obvious that your white knights don't care; the only value you have rests between your legs, and it's the only reason men accept you. If you were a man, you'd be the village idiot.

Crensch ago

Since I'm sure you'll read this, too.

THIS is why you were FRACTALLY wrong. You were so insanely wrong that it would take this much space just to address the level of STUPID you were displaying.

You still don't get it, do you?

You. Are. Unqualified. To. Comment.

Clitorissa ago

There’s nothing wrong with being a slut if you’re on birth control. Just so you both know. Don’t judge me.

@Sarcastatron_9000

Sarcastatron_9000 ago

That mentality is everything that's wrong with modern feminism, but okay. It's your life.