I did not know the part about making comments. My subverse /v/audioengineering was just taken from me and I was not asked. This seems dishonesty, gamey and not fair.
What do I do? I want it back. When I go to make the report it sends me to the thread the other person made when they requested to take the site. The term squatter take-over is very very relevant. It is like a gypsy shows up on your porch and steals from you. I am upset.
At the time of the request flagging, you had only submitted twocomments within the five months of that subverse's lifespan. You had not created a submission in fifty days. You only became active after the request had been made, and we do not take activity after the request flagging into account because it shows that the owner is likely only reacting to the transfer request and had not been interested in actively building the subverse before it was eligible for transfer.
moe,
Thank you for putting a little time into my request. I am not sure about your stated timeline. Let me check. You state that at the time of request, the subvoat was inactive for fifty days. According to https://voat.co/v/subverserequest/comments/293396 the transfer request was made 19 days ago, so that would be on or about 7/16/2015 , however I am showing three posts made by me @ 1 month ago.
I see that we are on the same page and are referring to the same thing, however, according my calendar, that is more like 39 or 40 days. You have added 20%.
I did not realize the requirement to post comments. I see that now. I am not here to hassle you and I wish to respect your time. I think you should take into consideration the prior few months Voat has just been getting started with lots of "Where are we going to get the server space for the load?" messages. I think in the early time, you might be a little less formal while people are still learning the Voat system, so to speak.
I think this particular case is going to have a good resolve, as the person who requested the site and I are now co-moderators and their expressed intent is to work together, which is likely an innovation that is for the best. However, I have one request. Currently the subvoat /v/audioengineering shows 2 moderators. Well and good, however it says the subvoat is "created by BostonDrivingIsWorse"
Now that I am back in the moderation, is it possible to list me as the "created by" credit, as in truth this would be the correct information. I did very much create this subvoat. Make sense? Can that be done?
Thank you for your time and reply, and I sure look forward to getting this squared up so we can be on our way.
Yours sincerely,
Calico
I intended to state that it had been fifty days at the time of the flagging, 07/27/15, though the point even stands with it being forty days at the time of the request.
The creator listed in a subverse cannot be different from the owner of the subverse. This is just how the code currently functions; the current level-1 Moderator is established as the 'creator' of the subverse. I do not know whether this is intended behavior or if that was a stub measure.
Regarding being more lax with enforcement of the system (if that's what you meant by 'less formal'), the issue is at least threefold:
(1) Granting exceptions to current policy establishes precedent. A clearly laid out set of rules and prerequisites establishes justifications for each transfer. If transfers are rejected / transferred despite following / not following protocol, the system will be perceived by users as being used arbitrarily — i.e., we approve those that we 'like' and reject those that we don't. Consistency in processing requests removes ambiguity and a large amount of drama resulting from the process.
(2) Alerting inactive Moderators (i.e. potential 'squatters') that an inactive subverse has been requested or allowing activity after the flagging to 'count' toward activity leads to continued squatting. A large amount of subverses have already been seized by those that have no interest in building them and these communities are effectively left to stagnate due to the lack of moderation, customization and community ability to institute changes. This no-warning policy may be unfortunate for those that have temporary real-life circumstances that may lead them away for a while, though we have no way of verifying these circumstances and these subverses are in need of active curators. This is necessary for the moment, however unpopular it may be with those affected by it.
(3) Allowing any activity on Voat or just one submission but no comment (or vice versa) to count as 'active' goes against what a subverse owner is supposed to do. The owner is supposed to contribute to and interact with the community; their duty is to build an infrastructure for the community they desire to see, not 'reserve a name' and wait for an audience to come without doing anything to promote or improve the subverse. A post is a contribution in content; a comment is interaction with the community. To own a subverse without actively contributing to it is doing more harm to Voat in its alpha status than if the owner did not own the subverse at all.
moe, I am going to write back to you tomorrow. I am sick with flu and drove last night. I think you are importing the worst of reddit into your site. the guy you gave my subvoat to just un-modded me and told me to fuck off. that is who you gave my subvoat to, a reddit mod who is telling me to fuck off after taking over my work. I will follow up with you tomorrow. I think you should give at least one warning prior to towing the car. One single reminder email would be appropriate prior to seizing someone's work. I am glad this guy showed his true colors, it makes things more poignent. I will write to you tomorrow. Here is that guy's message to me. This is who you gave my subvoat to. I think you should rethink. I would like to have it back and I request that you review your decision. Here is his message to me:
My first email was on 7/9. That was the one you replied to several weeks later.
I did not tell you where I teach because I prefer to remain anonymous (my user name might give you a hint, though). I find your lack of communication and your judgmental assumptions unprofessional. I'm sorry that because I expect a reply within two weeks, you see me as being in a "hurry".
You do not know me. You do not know my experience. You do not know who I know, or who I've worked with.
Had you been a little more professional and gracious with your response here, I would have been happy to keep you on as a mod, but unfortunately your ego may have done you in this time. I do not accept your demands regarding the cover photo, and as of now, you are no longer a mod of /v/audioengineering.
As for the console- it's an Avid (previously Euphonix) System 5. This is a studio in which I've done a good amount of work, and one of my favorite studios to work in.
Now if you please, fuck off.
Note: My "demands" re: cover photo are that we take turns, each per month.
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calico ago
I did not know the part about making comments. My subverse /v/audioengineering was just taken from me and I was not asked. This seems dishonesty, gamey and not fair.
What do I do? I want it back. When I go to make the report it sends me to the thread the other person made when they requested to take the site. The term squatter take-over is very very relevant. It is like a gypsy shows up on your porch and steals from you. I am upset.
moe ago
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calico ago
moe, Thank you for putting a little time into my request. I am not sure about your stated timeline. Let me check. You state that at the time of request, the subvoat was inactive for fifty days. According to https://voat.co/v/subverserequest/comments/293396 the transfer request was made 19 days ago, so that would be on or about 7/16/2015 , however I am showing three posts made by me @ 1 month ago.
Posting time: 6/7/2015 https://voat.co/v/audioengineering/comments/113404 Posting time: 6/7/2015 https://voat.co/v/audioengineering/comments/113400 Posting time: 6/7/2015 https://voat.co/v/audioengineering/comments/113398
I see that we are on the same page and are referring to the same thing, however, according my calendar, that is more like 39 or 40 days. You have added 20%.
I did not realize the requirement to post comments. I see that now. I am not here to hassle you and I wish to respect your time. I think you should take into consideration the prior few months Voat has just been getting started with lots of "Where are we going to get the server space for the load?" messages. I think in the early time, you might be a little less formal while people are still learning the Voat system, so to speak.
I think this particular case is going to have a good resolve, as the person who requested the site and I are now co-moderators and their expressed intent is to work together, which is likely an innovation that is for the best. However, I have one request. Currently the subvoat /v/audioengineering shows 2 moderators. Well and good, however it says the subvoat is "created by BostonDrivingIsWorse"
Now that I am back in the moderation, is it possible to list me as the "created by" credit, as in truth this would be the correct information. I did very much create this subvoat. Make sense? Can that be done?
Thank you for your time and reply, and I sure look forward to getting this squared up so we can be on our way. Yours sincerely, Calico
moe ago
I intended to state that it had been fifty days at the time of the flagging, 07/27/15, though the point even stands with it being forty days at the time of the request.
The creator listed in a subverse cannot be different from the owner of the subverse. This is just how the code currently functions; the current level-1 Moderator is established as the 'creator' of the subverse. I do not know whether this is intended behavior or if that was a stub measure.
Regarding being more lax with enforcement of the system (if that's what you meant by 'less formal'), the issue is at least threefold:
(
1) Granting exceptions to current policy establishes precedent. A clearly laid out set of rules and prerequisites establishes justifications for each transfer. If transfers are rejected / transferred despite following / not following protocol, the system will be perceived by users as being used arbitrarily — i.e., we approve those that we 'like' and reject those that we don't. Consistency in processing requests removes ambiguity and a large amount of drama resulting from the process.(
2) Alerting inactive Moderators (i.e. potential 'squatters') that an inactive subverse has been requested or allowing activity after the flagging to 'count' toward activity leads to continued squatting. A large amount of subverses have already been seized by those that have no interest in building them and these communities are effectively left to stagnate due to the lack of moderation, customization and community ability to institute changes. This no-warning policy may be unfortunate for those that have temporary real-life circumstances that may lead them away for a while, though we have no way of verifying these circumstances and these subverses are in need of active curators. This is necessary for the moment, however unpopular it may be with those affected by it.(
3) Allowing any activity on Voat or just one submission but no comment (or vice versa) to count as 'active' goes against what a subverse owner is supposed to do. The owner is supposed to contribute to and interact with the community; their duty is to build an infrastructure for the community they desire to see, not 'reserve a name' and wait for an audience to come without doing anything to promote or improve the subverse. A post is a contribution in content; a comment is interaction with the community. To own a subverse without actively contributing to it is doing more harm to Voat in its alpha status than if the owner did not own the subverse at all.calico ago
moe, I am going to write back to you tomorrow. I am sick with flu and drove last night. I think you are importing the worst of reddit into your site. the guy you gave my subvoat to just un-modded me and told me to fuck off. that is who you gave my subvoat to, a reddit mod who is telling me to fuck off after taking over my work. I will follow up with you tomorrow. I think you should give at least one warning prior to towing the car. One single reminder email would be appropriate prior to seizing someone's work. I am glad this guy showed his true colors, it makes things more poignent. I will write to you tomorrow. Here is that guy's message to me. This is who you gave my subvoat to. I think you should rethink. I would like to have it back and I request that you review your decision. Here is his message to me:
My first email was on 7/9. That was the one you replied to several weeks later.
I did not tell you where I teach because I prefer to remain anonymous (my user name might give you a hint, though). I find your lack of communication and your judgmental assumptions unprofessional. I'm sorry that because I expect a reply within two weeks, you see me as being in a "hurry".
You do not know me. You do not know my experience. You do not know who I know, or who I've worked with.
Had you been a little more professional and gracious with your response here, I would have been happy to keep you on as a mod, but unfortunately your ego may have done you in this time. I do not accept your demands regarding the cover photo, and as of now, you are no longer a mod of /v/audioengineering.
As for the console- it's an Avid (previously Euphonix) System 5. This is a studio in which I've done a good amount of work, and one of my favorite studios to work in.
Now if you please, fuck off.
Note: My "demands" re: cover photo are that we take turns, each per month.
Yours sincerely, Calico