IIRC, the LHC has several detectors, and they're each run by different groups. Additionally, they show their findings to other similar installations, and through those 2 methods, they're able to verify their findings. I remember a recent event where some group (Not CERN, I think) had some anomalous results regarding the speed of light being broken, and after being unable to falsify the results themselves, they released their data to the scientific community, basically asking for more eyes to proof their work. It was eventually found to be a glitch in some clock or another a loose connection (Thanks kneo24!), giving a bad reading. But yes, I understand that particle physicists working at installations like these work closely together to confirm (or reject!) each others' findings.
Not the person you replied to, but, you and I can't. Because we don't understand particle physics and don't have Large Hardon Colliders.
At some point you have to trust someone, I suppose. Trust that the number of particle physicists out there would be make it tough for all of them to work together to make one big lie.
Particle physicists love proving each other wrong, breaking previously assumed "laws". Would be a difficult conspiracy.
We can't feed and clothe and get fresh water and stop killing one another on earth but I'm supposed to care about 5 'particles' that are completely unverifiable unless you're a part of the system, and who's effect on the day to day lives of us here on earth is 0?
Frankly, I don't believe them. I don't believe NASA, I don't believe our government, why would I believe what the people from these giant 'science' projects tell me? It's just more garbage being fed to us to keep us satisfied and obedient.
We can't feed and clothe and get fresh water and stop killing one another on earth but I'm supposed to care about 5 'particles' that are completely unverifiable unless you're a part of the system, and who's effect on the day to day lives of us here on earth is 0?
In 5 billion years the Sun is going to become a Red Giant and engulf the Earth. Those 5 particles you don't care about are probably going to be the key to getting our asses over to the next star system before we all get cooked.
Meanwhile, the people without food and clothes are doing absolutely nothing to help the situation.
There is no reason to wait that long. We can start now.
why don't we reduce the suffering of the people on the earth in the present?
Because we don't need 90% of the population anyway. Suffering is a personal problem which can be solved with personal responsibility. Do we really want people who are not willing to take personal responsibility for their own lives?
And you have FAITH that's what they're doing with their 'research'.
Look at it this way. The first ape who made fire by rubbing two sticks together probably had some ignorant conspiracy theorist ape buddies who couldn't comprehend what the fuck he was doing. Either you can be anti-fire or you can say "Hey, let's find out what this fire thing is useful for".
Research has gotten us this far. There's no point in halting it just because a few people can't get off their asses and grow a garden to feed themselves.
At least the ape had fire to show for his achievement. We don't get anything but stories.
Do us all a favor and go stick your head in the LHC while it's turned on. Tell us what you find out.
Also your world view seems.... Ill-informed.
What are you, some kind of ideological SJW or something? Nobody gives a fuck about you dude. Go become important and maybe we'll care about your opinion.
Just apply for a job as a janitor at the LHC dude. I mean, with your level of reasoning, I'm assuming that's what you are anyway.
Just say, "Hey guys! I'm going to go mop the tubes! I'll be done in half an hour!". I mean, you probably wont even need to ask they'll keep an eye out for you wait until you step inside and turn it on especially for you.
Make yourself useful and maybe you'll be worth more than an insult. I mean, fuck it. Even a $5 hooker is worth more than you are. She get's $5 and here you are getting paid in insults. Maybe you should think about that for a while.
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SaveTheChildren ago
Are their results verifiable by a third party?
Stadred ago
IIRC, the LHC has several detectors, and they're each run by different groups. Additionally, they show their findings to other similar installations, and through those 2 methods, they're able to verify their findings. I remember a recent event where some group (Not CERN, I think) had some anomalous results regarding the speed of light being broken, and after being unable to falsify the results themselves, they released their data to the scientific community, basically asking for more eyes to proof their work. It was eventually found to be
a glitch in some clock or anothera loose connection (Thanks kneo24!), giving a bad reading. But yes, I understand that particle physicists working at installations like these work closely together to confirm (or reject!) each others' findings.SaveTheChildren ago
How can you be for certain that That's Not Just an Illusion though and that those aren't just actors playing top particle physicists?
How can we confirm the machine works like they tell us?
ZYX321 ago
Not the person you replied to, but, you and I can't. Because we don't understand particle physics and don't have Large Hardon Colliders.
At some point you have to trust someone, I suppose. Trust that the number of particle physicists out there would be make it tough for all of them to work together to make one big lie.
Particle physicists love proving each other wrong, breaking previously assumed "laws". Would be a difficult conspiracy.
SaveTheChildren ago
if you and I can't then who cares?
We can't feed and clothe and get fresh water and stop killing one another on earth but I'm supposed to care about 5 'particles' that are completely unverifiable unless you're a part of the system, and who's effect on the day to day lives of us here on earth is 0?
Frankly, I don't believe them. I don't believe NASA, I don't believe our government, why would I believe what the people from these giant 'science' projects tell me? It's just more garbage being fed to us to keep us satisfied and obedient.
Master_Foo ago
In 5 billion years the Sun is going to become a Red Giant and engulf the Earth. Those 5 particles you don't care about are probably going to be the key to getting our asses over to the next star system before we all get cooked.
Meanwhile, the people without food and clothes are doing absolutely nothing to help the situation.
SaveTheChildren ago
5 billion years is a long time, why don't we reduce the suffering of the people on the earth in the present?
And you have FAITH that's what they're doing with their 'research'.
Master_Foo ago
There is no reason to wait that long. We can start now.
Because we don't need 90% of the population anyway. Suffering is a personal problem which can be solved with personal responsibility. Do we really want people who are not willing to take personal responsibility for their own lives?
Look at it this way. The first ape who made fire by rubbing two sticks together probably had some ignorant conspiracy theorist ape buddies who couldn't comprehend what the fuck he was doing. Either you can be anti-fire or you can say "Hey, let's find out what this fire thing is useful for".
Research has gotten us this far. There's no point in halting it just because a few people can't get off their asses and grow a garden to feed themselves.
SaveTheChildren ago
At least the ape had fire to show for his achievement. We don't get anything but stories.
Also your world view seems.... Ill-informed.
Master_Foo ago
Do us all a favor and go stick your head in the LHC while it's turned on. Tell us what you find out.
What are you, some kind of ideological SJW or something? Nobody gives a fuck about you dude. Go become important and maybe we'll care about your opinion.
SaveTheChildren ago
As if they would let us see that thing up close and turned on and such.
Master_Foo ago
Just apply for a job as a janitor at the LHC dude. I mean, with your level of reasoning, I'm assuming that's what you are anyway.
Just say, "Hey guys! I'm going to go mop the tubes! I'll be done in half an hour!". I mean, you probably wont even need to ask they'll keep an eye out for you wait until you step inside and turn it on especially for you.
SaveTheChildren ago
And all you can do is throw insults...
Master_Foo ago
Make yourself useful and maybe you'll be worth more than an insult. I mean, fuck it. Even a $5 hooker is worth more than you are. She get's $5 and here you are getting paid in insults. Maybe you should think about that for a while.
SaveTheChildren ago
Ouch