I have an idea about John Wayne Gacy (pizzagatewhatever)

submitted ago by dontkillmehillary

So if you follow Gacy's history it slightly mirrors Alefantis's. Basically the guy was a nobody but through his business dealings he bega to form some pretty good links to Chicagos political movers and shakers. In 1974 he really got involved with the Democrat party and even met Rosalynn Carter in 1978. He was a pretty big deal in Chicago until his arrest in 1978.

Gacy's killing spree kicked into high gear in 1976 after hooking up with the Dems.

Theory; Is it possible Pizzagate ties go back to the 1970's and even possibly started with Gacy and friends in Chicago? Gacy was right into little kids in the age range of 12-18, and 28+ bodies were found in his basement. He confessed but also recanted his confession back and forth a few times.

I've tried looking up leads from the time, but due to the lack of digitization of news articles from the 1970's it's pretty hard. I've tried finding links to Chicago politicians to anyone moving and shaking today but most of the guys active then are dead now.

What's everyone thoughts on this line of investigation?

Miniyeti1919 ago

I am new here,and put Gacy into the search bar- found this! I was thinking the same thing! I was researching his history as well and saw he was a pretty big member of the Jaycees . As I looked into the Jaycees,I found that other members included: Edmund Kemper- serial killer,necrophile & cannibal from the 70's Bill Clinton Al Gore Bill Gates Nixon Gerald Ford Walter Mondale The founder of Dominos Pizza ( his bio says he is pro life) so probably ok. I dont know much about the Jaycees,has anyone checked them out?

dontkillmehillary ago

Hey, sorry I missed your post! There has been a couple of people look at the Jaycees, but I'm not sure which threads. I've pretty much convinced myself Gacy is somehow tied into all of this, but we still need to find the concrete proof.

DarkMath ago

" lack of digitization of news articles from the 1970".......I'm pretty sure the Chicago Tribune has a free archive search of all previous editions going back a long way, maybe 100 years. Here's the link: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/

dontkillmehillary ago

Wow, thank you! That's an awesome resource I would never have found on my own. It's bookmarked!

eiggaMAD ago

okay guys, the deed is done.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1583443

Not the best because I'm really tired and have been reading for hours but it will do. Let me know if you guys see anything I should change.

eiggaMAD ago

I don't know if it started there but it does seem it could very well be in the same realm. I'm from Chicago, my uncles best friend was a victim. Although it wasn't talked about much for obvious reasons, I do recall my family making many many comments about him having many connections with the police.

dontkillmehillary ago

Wow, thank you for sharing that. It's pretty intense you're so close to it!

I know this is a huge thing to ask, but is there a way you could find a list of 1970's democrats? It's probably a library trip for that one though. If we had a list of active Democrats we cohld see if any of them tie into modern day Democrats (mentors, employers, etc)

eiggaMAD ago

fun fact: Hillary Clinton and Gacy were born in the same hospital

dontkillmehillary ago

Wow.. so I followed this rabbit hole a little deeper. Hillary Clinton lived in Park Ridge Illinois, at 235 N. Wisner St. This house is 20 minutes (via car) from Gacy's childhood home. It's only 10 minutes from his kill house at 8207 W Summerdale Ave.

Also, Clinton attended Main East High School, 15 minutes from Gacy's childhood home or 10 minutes from his kill house.

She was 5 years younger than Gacy, however he tried attending 4 different high schools before finally dropping out. It's almost a certainty they would have crossed paths while growing up. Furthermore Gacy joined the local Democrats at 18 years old. Clinton's father was involved in local politics also and tried running for the Cook County Democratic party in 1947, however he became a pretty strong republican in the 1960s. Again, they probably would have crossed paths.

eiggaMAD ago

Wow!! Amazing job! any sources? Can I add it to main and tag you? I don't want to take the credit but people need to see this!

dontkillmehillary ago

The addresses are pretty easy to find actually... Clinton's Home

Gacy's Home

Clinton's school is in her Wikipedia article. I just google mapped all that shit ;)

Also.. there is more!! John Podesta grew up in Jefferson Park, another suburb of Chicago, which was 10 minutes (2 miles) from Gacy's home.

Podesta is 7 years younger than Gacy so they likely wouldn't have crossed paths in school but its possible they may have interacted in the Chicago political scene in the 1970's (pure guesswork here).

Podesta is only 2 years younger than Clinton and they may have known each other also but they didn't attend the same high school.

Feel free to link me if you want ;)

eiggaMAD ago

Thank you!!

dontkillmehillary ago

Holy shit dude! You rocked the research on this! Clinton and Gacy are only 5 years apart...

You should post your findings on the main pizzagate sub!

eiggaMAD ago

If I can tie up a few more things I will! If anyone beats me too it feel free hah.

eiggaMAD ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Junior_Chamber

And heres the link to Gacy and Bill Clinton, along with many other political people.

IUsedToLikePizza ago

Is it possible to figure out when they were involved with it and if there was overlap? Their ages would've only been like four years apart so it isn't inconceivable. Damn, you're like a bloodhound when it comes to sniffing this stuff out!

eiggaMAD ago

There has been a few things that are indicating a very strong rubbing of the elbows. Namely The Democratic Convention of 1974, many people believe to have seen Gacy attending. Which would make sense as he seemed to have a ton of political and police connections.

eiggaMAD ago

https://johnwaynegacynews.com/2016/06/20/child-sex-trafficking-in-chicago-the-missing-link-in-the-gacy-mystery/

So uh.... I'm starting to think you are actually onto something with this idea.

IUsedToLikePizza ago

So do you think Gacy and Corll were linked to the same ring? From what I gather from your links they both have connections to Norman. If that's true then I don't even know what to say, like you just blew my mind to the point that I don't even know what to make of it. It makes me wonder if other known serial killers can be linked to it. Thank you so much for posting this, wikipedia makes no mention of it. this part of his wikipedia pages regarding his link to a dallas child sex ring absolutely reeks of a cover-up though: "No direct link in these arrests to the Houston Mass Murders was proven, as the Houston authorities declined to pursue any possible link to the serial killings, stating they felt Corll's victims' families had 'suffered enough'".

eiggaMAD ago

I honestly don't know. I know the Jaycee list has at least one other serial killer on it..so it seems plausible.

The biggest returning feeling I have had this entire time is the Gacy details are very very similar to JAs current situation. Gacy was named in the top 100 people of Chicago sometime in the 70s but I am unable to find the exact article proving this but I have seen it listed more then once. Also Gacy having a small contracting business, being huge on politics, ect.

eiggaMAD ago

I don't live anywhere near Chicago anymore but I've been looking into everything since I saw your post! I don't know how far I'll get but I'll let you know if I can find anything

dontkillmehillary ago

Thanks dude.

eiggaMAD ago

okay heres a very littler bit Ive found so far. I'm working on a more detailed lay out of all the shit that goes on, I'm not sure how far I'll get or how off topic it will be from the original question but I'll attempt to keep myself focussed.

"The political environment in Chicago in the 1910s and 1920s let organized crime flourish to the point that many Chicago policemen earned more money from pay-offs than from the city. Before the 1930s, the Democratic Party in Chicago was divided along ethnic lines - the Irish, Polish, Italian, and other groups each controlled politics in their neighborhoods Under the leadership of Anton Cermak, the party consolidated its ethnic bases into one large organization. With the organization behind, Cermak was able to win election as mayor of Chicago in 1931, an office he held until his assassination in 1933. The modern era of politics was dominated by machine politics in many ways, and the Cook County Democratic Party became was honed by Richard J. Daley after his election in 1955. Richard M. Daley, his son, is a former mayor of Chicago and had served for 21 years as mayor and 38 as a public servant. Daley announced on September 7, 2010 that he would not be seeking re-election.[4] Daley was succeeded by former Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel."

"The police corruption that came to the light from the Summerdale Scandals of 1960, where police officers kept stolen property or sold it and kept the cash, was another black eye on the local political scene of Chicago" (Gacey started in1972.)

"Chicago politics have also hosted some very publicized campaigns and conventions. The Democratic Party decided on Harry S. Truman as the vice-presidential candidate at the 1944 Democratic National Convention. The 1968 Democratic National Convention was the scene of mass political rallies and discontent, leading to the famous trial of the Chicago Seven. Seven defendants — Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, David Dellinger, Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis, John Froines, and Lee Weiner—charged with conspiracy, inciting to riot, and other charges related to protests" Found this interesting as we know about the paid protesters.

source for all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_history_of_Chicago#19th_century

Now that its established Chicago has a dark side (not that anyone was questioning it lol) and there already seems to be ties to current political power, I'm going to work on direct people links to political figures now and if there are any connections to Gacey.

2impendingdoom ago

the Podestas grew up in (near) Chicago.

dontkillmehillary ago

What?? I had no idea about that. Was their family active in politics in the 1970's?

2impendingdoom ago

J. Podesta got started in politics campaigning for senator Eugene McCarthy presidential run, Went to Knox College (somewhere in Illinois). Its on wikipedia It says he grew up in Chicago, he could have known Gacy while in high school, maybe the dates are about right. late 60's/70-71...

eiggaMAD ago

No, Podesta parents, from what I understand, were not in politics.

However Podesta cut the ribbon to the opening of a new campus with Governor Kerner and Mayor Richard J Daley. http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/December-2013/How-the-Podesta-Brothers-Rose-From-the-39th-Ward-to-the-White-House/ Richard J Daleys was mayor from 1955 to 1976. His son, Richard M Daley, was mayor from 1989 to 2011.

The mayor since 2011 is Rahm Emanuel. He was the Director of the finance committee for Bill Clintons 1992 presidential campaign. In 1993 he joined the Clinton Administration, serving as the assistant to the president for political affairs and as the senior advisor to the president for policy and strategy. He held a seat at the U.S. House of Representatives from 2003 to 2009. And finally in 2008 Barack Obama appointed Emanuel to serve as White House chief of staff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

um so yeah. There the Podesta connection. and connections to the current mayor.