https://voat.co/v/whatever/3432945/20638202
Ask me to answer your questions again.
sigh. here goes nothing.
Okay @Crensch @Vindicator @Heygeorge @Erickaliberhall @kingkongwaswrong
why did Crensch ban me? Can I appeal?
NOMOCHOMO Rule Violation in v/pizzagate: 1: Relevance; Description: Causing problems with the removal of things that have not been proven to be pizzagate. Using divisive tactics against the mods. Arguing dishonestly, even after being warned that this was not a joke. Constant pattern of disruptive behavior and supporting users like esoteric Crensch 10.9 hours ago
https://files.catbox.moe/q5grgu.jpg
-Swamp Takedown -> 24 hours Grace Relevancy
I ask for clarification as to why a person Vin calls "swamp" is deemed "irrelevant" by Crazy-Mensch
I thought "swamp" indicated Pizza/Pedos....hence it being a flair in pizzagate...I've also lurked for years as ya'll know....why I was confused as to why "Ed Buck" a name I know I'd read submissions on b4 was getting removed.
TLDR: Why am I banned for "relevance"....for defending a relevant post (edit2: and it's not my post)....
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NOMOCHOMO ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20631827
@vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed @darkknight111
https://www.wehoville.com/2019/01/09/ed-buck-recounting-history/
I found the motherlode that clearly ties Ed Buck to Pizzagate back in 2017
https://www.wehoville.com/2019/01/09/ed-buck-recounting-history/
Switching Parties
In 1988 at a Republican Party conference in Oklahoma City, Buck called for changes in the party’s “intolerant” stand on LGBT rights in Oklahoma, which included opposition to state-mandated sex education programs in schools. Unable to make major changes in his political party, Buck soon switched allegiances. In an online post in 2010, he explained his decision. “I didn’t leave the Republican Party, it left me. I can remember Barry Goldwater saying ‘out of the boardroom and out of the bedroom’ when referring to the role of government. That’s the GOP I was a proud member of … My principals have not changed, but to keep true to them, my political party had to change.”
Vindicator ago
Excellent. This is exactly why we flair posts. You are an excellent digger, Nomo. I wish you had just given DK a hand and posted this instead of creating drama.
NOMOCHOMO ago
The only reason I found it is because I was banned....Not because of either of your flairs.
I asked @Crensch a question. He repeatedly evaded with counter questions.
Ego, bruised from the questioning, He then made my membership dependent on proving another users' post.
Crensch's Unprecedented Whim became a user-specific guideline. A Dangerous Despotic Precedent
Repeating a question to a Mod is "baiting" them?
Different Mods hold different users to different standards?
The reason given for my ban is Rule 1: Relevance.
Even though you edited Rule 1 last night (cut/pasting "NSFW" from Rule 5), you didn't change "relevance" to apply to comments. It is a submission standard.
To ban a user for a comment that doesn't fulfill a submission guideline is comment censorship.
Because Relevance does not apply to comments. You changed Rule 5 from "NSFW" to "Comment Abuse" without notifying the pizzagate community.
I am shining a light on Moderation. Any scrutiny is framed as "drama".
Unban me. I broke no rules.
I wont break your Modified Rule 5, but please announce it.
Vindicator ago
Wrong. I already explained this. I screwed up and failed to flair for Rule 1, because I forgot Buck's victims were all adults. Because we removed almost all of the Buck posts previously, @think- who knew I was away from the computer all day, pinged Crensch to change the flair. You keep spinning events to fit the narrative of unfair flairing, and you continue to ignore the fact that Crensch was right, you were wrong to argue with him about darkknight's post breaking Rule 1, and you abused the Comment section for your own egotistical ends.
I didn't edit Rule 1 -- I appended the NSFW rule to it without changing either one in any way so as to keep the number of rules the same. We have never used Rule 5 anyway. It was wasted space.
So you think you should have free rein to shit up other people's submissions with your rants about how bad you think moderation is, when we have an entire subverse for that because the whole community agreed they didn't want that stuff on the main board, because you know you'll get banned if you submit a shitpost to assuage your ego?
Illogical.
You are tearing down the community when you could have built it up -- as you just demonstrated in this submission. You were fully capable of helping DK fix his post, but instead of doing so, you got into a fight. Why did it take a ban to get you to do the right thing? You do realize, this argues in support of banning shitty behavior, right?
I haven't had time to write up an discussion post yet, due to the same real life responsibilities that have kept me away from the board of late. But this has actually been in place for several months under the Sitewide Rules. If you check the banlog, you will see that Putt added the Voat User Agreement to the rule violations list moderators can cite some time ago, and Donkey was banned for comment abuse under that -- at the request of multiple users -- after he impersonated another user to discredit her research. @Crensch could have done the same in your case, though he chose to ban you for undermining the prime submission rule. There is not an option to click more than one rule in the ban interface.
We discussed the matter and agreed there should be a subverse rule that reflected the User Agreement requirement to Respect Other Users, since this has come up now several times recently, and the UA also tells mods "When you receive notice that there is content that violates this user agreement on subverses you moderate, you agree to remove it."
You broke at least two. Crensch was pretty clear about what you need to do to have your posting privileges restored. It's up to you.
We have a subverse full of people who either are survivors or who are family or friends of people subjected to elite child rape. They have been here for years, contributing. It's a dick move to turn their hard work into your off-topic soapbox.
NOMOCHOMO ago
you previously said:
this time, it's
"User" to "users". Your story is changing. Why would @think private message Crensch to moderate, rather than comment and tag him publically. You are proving that ya'll do hold different users to different standards. Apparently some have back channel influence.
QUIT MISCHARACTERIZING MY COMMENTS
"baiting" has become a "rant".
I merely QUESTIONED him
A. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20631962.
B. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632100
C. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632406
D.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632582
E. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632802
F. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632873
Cite the user agreement rule I broke.
What users have asked for me to be banned? Who have I impersonated?
think- ago
I will make this brief, Nomochomo:
I indeed PMed, since sometimes users who are pinged don't get the ping, and writing a PM is to make sure they actually get a message.
Everyone is free to PM the mods at any given time, either by mod mail, or by PMing them.
That's not a special privilege I have.
And unlike you, I'm not keen on starting a 'muh the mods were wrong!!' shitshow on public threads.
I knew that @Vindicator was busy in rl, so I also PMed the other two PG mods.
@Crensch was the one who changed the flair, but as you can see from @Vindicator's replies, he would have done the same if he had been in.
On a side note, trying to paint my PM as something shady, or accusing @Vindicator of lying is one of your usual asshole moves, and I'm really tired of them.
Please note that I have blocked you, and don't get pings when you reply, so you don't have to make the effort to write a response. Bye.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Why didn't you comment your concerns on the post if you thought it was "rule-breaking" ?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20629167
Instead of going to the user, you went above them, and didn't share your concerns with us pizzagate researchers.
Vin said "users" PM'd him. That shrank to just you. Unless there are other shady snitches?
Crensch ago
Now that users of the sub are shady snitches for messaging the mods?
@vindicator
NOMOCHOMO ago
I changed it to secret police...I agree snitch has the wrong connotation
Vindicator ago
You haven't been around long, so I wouldn't expect you to know that throughout the first entire year of this subverse, when we had 40 posts a day, we regularly asked users to please message the moderators whenever they saw a submission that needed to be removed, or one that could use a flair (positive or negative). In the past year since we started giving the 24 Hour Grace period, we've also encouraged people to help each other fix rule-breaking submissions if and when they have time to help research them.
Your insistence in casting shade on this practice does not put you in a good light.
Why exactly to you feel entitled to dictate how this subverse should operate?
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NOMOCHOMO ago
If that's true, prove it with a link.
I'm a shining a light at secret moderation.
I think its shady to tattle on a user to a mod in private, without addressing the issue in your public comment on their post.
2 words. Free Speech.
NOMOCHOMO ago
@shewhomustbeobeyed @heygeorge @kevdude
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Nomo, there is nothing wrong with users PMing the mods with requests or questions. If Vindicator hadn't helped me in private I never would have been able to post anything that meets sub rules. Hell, if you hadn't helped me with the last one I wouldn't have posted it.
I wouldn't have talked to the submitter of that post either. If he isn't a theoldones alt then he is friends with him, and that makes him potentially volatile and unreasonable to deal with.
You're never going to get anywhere with this. These people will not admit their most egregious mistakes. Ever.
NOMOCHOMO ago
I completely agree with you. I have no issues with PMing anyone....As long as Mods are honest about the PM's they receive. @Vindicator lied about the volume of complaints he recieved.
DarkKnight111? Think- did talk to the submitter by commenting on the post....but made no mention of relevancy
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20629167
So instead report his post in secret? I appreciate your input, but respectfully disagree.
I usually jump into the mud pit.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I tried that, reported tOO to the mods, one thinks I'm crazy for my opinions, and the other one accused me of lying. So I handled it myself, tried on my first internet spurge-out (amateurish attempt, at best). Lost my only 'female internet friend' as a final result. Learned much, like user opinions don't matter, especially when there are imaginary interweb wars to be won. It's okay though, nothing can stop what's happening.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Nothing can stop what's happening
take refuge in God :)
I totally hear you and understand your position/strat.
I prefer to martyr my account, so to speak, to preserve transparency. If I'm banned, I'm not contributing my energy/research to this forum, as it can be better used other places.
If Mods still deem my intentions pure, and allow me to contribute. I will give them the same courtesy.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
That's the problem, nomo. Some crazy fucker told them that you were ES, all the boogiemen on PG are either ES or donqi. Now the only way for you to prove your intentions are pure is to get down on your hands and knees, grovel and beg for forgiveness, and then hope that cren doesn't move the goalpost yet again. Like I said, I don't blame you, or anyone else for leaving.
heygeorge ago
One can demonstrate by looking at your 11 month account. Just sayin’.
@shewhomustbeobeyed I watched some actual bonafide network TV last night. I saw an ad for Depend undergarments. It made me think of you and hope you are doing well.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
That's funny, I think of you when I see those ads, too. I wonder what Pavlov would say? Now that school is back, work on the project has slowed.
And I am good, thank you. Hope you and yours are as well.
Did you get the squirrels?
heygeorge ago
They LEFT!
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
How did you make that happen?
heygeorge ago
Squirrel 1: Remove rotten section of wood in soffit. About two 5 gallon buckets worth of debris including branches and leaves falls out. Whoops, I trashed his home. He came back very confused, up there reeing and trying to fathom it, but left by the end of the next day.
Squirrel 2: I guess squirrels don’t like power washers.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I got desert chipmunks that burrow under my brick front porch, thinking about drowning them out this year.
Power Washer you say? wonder if it will work for burrow holes?
heygeorge ago
If it won’t work, at the very least you can undermine your foundation! And that is exciting, too!
*I do not think you would undermine your foundation. You know it is so crazy it just might work, tho. I can’t imagine those creatures have a natural defense instinct against water-based trauma
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I asked the boys to fill the holes with concrete. They won't do it, and they won't tell me why they think it won't work. I am really good at shooting the little critters off my fence and feeding them to the coyotes.
NOMOCHOMO ago
I excerpted that poorly. please see edit for relevant portion
heygeorge ago
Cool