https://voat.co/v/whatever/3432945/20638202
Ask me to answer your questions again.
sigh. here goes nothing.
Okay @Crensch @Vindicator @Heygeorge @Erickaliberhall @kingkongwaswrong
why did Crensch ban me? Can I appeal?
NOMOCHOMO Rule Violation in v/pizzagate: 1: Relevance; Description: Causing problems with the removal of things that have not been proven to be pizzagate. Using divisive tactics against the mods. Arguing dishonestly, even after being warned that this was not a joke. Constant pattern of disruptive behavior and supporting users like esoteric Crensch 10.9 hours ago
https://files.catbox.moe/q5grgu.jpg
-Swamp Takedown -> 24 hours Grace Relevancy
I ask for clarification as to why a person Vin calls "swamp" is deemed "irrelevant" by Crazy-Mensch
I thought "swamp" indicated Pizza/Pedos....hence it being a flair in pizzagate...I've also lurked for years as ya'll know....why I was confused as to why "Ed Buck" a name I know I'd read submissions on b4 was getting removed.
TLDR: Why am I banned for "relevance"....for defending a relevant post (edit2: and it's not my post)....
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NOMOCHOMO ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20631827
@vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed @darkknight111
https://www.wehoville.com/2019/01/09/ed-buck-recounting-history/
I found the motherlode that clearly ties Ed Buck to Pizzagate back in 2017
https://www.wehoville.com/2019/01/09/ed-buck-recounting-history/
Switching Parties
In 1988 at a Republican Party conference in Oklahoma City, Buck called for changes in the party’s “intolerant” stand on LGBT rights in Oklahoma, which included opposition to state-mandated sex education programs in schools. Unable to make major changes in his political party, Buck soon switched allegiances. In an online post in 2010, he explained his decision. “I didn’t leave the Republican Party, it left me. I can remember Barry Goldwater saying ‘out of the boardroom and out of the bedroom’ when referring to the role of government. That’s the GOP I was a proud member of … My principals have not changed, but to keep true to them, my political party had to change.”
Vindicator ago
Excellent. This is exactly why we flair posts. You are an excellent digger, Nomo. I wish you had just given DK a hand and posted this instead of creating drama.
NOMOCHOMO ago
The only reason I found it is because I was banned....Not because of either of your flairs.
I asked @Crensch a question. He repeatedly evaded with counter questions.
Ego, bruised from the questioning, He then made my membership dependent on proving another users' post.
Crensch's Unprecedented Whim became a user-specific guideline. A Dangerous Despotic Precedent
Repeating a question to a Mod is "baiting" them?
Different Mods hold different users to different standards?
The reason given for my ban is Rule 1: Relevance.
Even though you edited Rule 1 last night (cut/pasting "NSFW" from Rule 5), you didn't change "relevance" to apply to comments. It is a submission standard.
To ban a user for a comment that doesn't fulfill a submission guideline is comment censorship.
Because Relevance does not apply to comments. You changed Rule 5 from "NSFW" to "Comment Abuse" without notifying the pizzagate community.
I am shining a light on Moderation. Any scrutiny is framed as "drama".
Unban me. I broke no rules.
I wont break your Modified Rule 5, but please announce it.
Vindicator ago
Wrong. I already explained this. I screwed up and failed to flair for Rule 1, because I forgot Buck's victims were all adults. Because we removed almost all of the Buck posts previously, @think- who knew I was away from the computer all day, pinged Crensch to change the flair. You keep spinning events to fit the narrative of unfair flairing, and you continue to ignore the fact that Crensch was right, you were wrong to argue with him about darkknight's post breaking Rule 1, and you abused the Comment section for your own egotistical ends.
I didn't edit Rule 1 -- I appended the NSFW rule to it without changing either one in any way so as to keep the number of rules the same. We have never used Rule 5 anyway. It was wasted space.
So you think you should have free rein to shit up other people's submissions with your rants about how bad you think moderation is, when we have an entire subverse for that because the whole community agreed they didn't want that stuff on the main board, because you know you'll get banned if you submit a shitpost to assuage your ego?
Illogical.
You are tearing down the community when you could have built it up -- as you just demonstrated in this submission. You were fully capable of helping DK fix his post, but instead of doing so, you got into a fight. Why did it take a ban to get you to do the right thing? You do realize, this argues in support of banning shitty behavior, right?
I haven't had time to write up an discussion post yet, due to the same real life responsibilities that have kept me away from the board of late. But this has actually been in place for several months under the Sitewide Rules. If you check the banlog, you will see that Putt added the Voat User Agreement to the rule violations list moderators can cite some time ago, and Donkey was banned for comment abuse under that -- at the request of multiple users -- after he impersonated another user to discredit her research. @Crensch could have done the same in your case, though he chose to ban you for undermining the prime submission rule. There is not an option to click more than one rule in the ban interface.
We discussed the matter and agreed there should be a subverse rule that reflected the User Agreement requirement to Respect Other Users, since this has come up now several times recently, and the UA also tells mods "When you receive notice that there is content that violates this user agreement on subverses you moderate, you agree to remove it."
You broke at least two. Crensch was pretty clear about what you need to do to have your posting privileges restored. It's up to you.
We have a subverse full of people who either are survivors or who are family or friends of people subjected to elite child rape. They have been here for years, contributing. It's a dick move to turn their hard work into your off-topic soapbox.
NOMOCHOMO ago
you previously said:
this time, it's
"User" to "users". Your story is changing. Why would @think private message Crensch to moderate, rather than comment and tag him publically. You are proving that ya'll do hold different users to different standards. Apparently some have back channel influence.
QUIT MISCHARACTERIZING MY COMMENTS
"baiting" has become a "rant".
I merely QUESTIONED him
A. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20631962.
B. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632100
C. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632406
D.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632582
E. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632802
F. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632873
Cite the user agreement rule I broke.
What users have asked for me to be banned? Who have I impersonated?
Vindicator ago
Users private message moderators about rule breaking submissions all the time. Your attempt to characterize this as nefarious shows a keen lack of understanding of the community.
The main job of moderators in v/pizzagate is specifically to be the designated asshole who takes the heat for keeping the subverse on topic so users don't have to. It's why the subscriber base has voted repeatedly for both moderators and Rule 1. Your behavior is a perfect example of why they want it this way. People want to focus on research, not deal with constant attacks and smear campaigns. For nearly three years I've done my best to carry out this task in the manner the subscribers desired.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Not according to your fellow Moderator @heygeorge and Moderator @Crensch a year ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/3433526/20662816
Mods are not gods here, we have janitorial functions, and that's all.
fucking check yourself dude. Look at the downvoats on your NEW RULE. You're power tripping.
Crensch ago
That looks like exactly the number of downvotes as the number of sbbh trolls that are supporting you.
Also, heyGeorge was never a mod.
You don't seem to understand much of anything about this website with a claim like that.
NOMOCHOMO ago
accusations and assumptions...unless you have access to user info which would prove your claim?
heygeorge is still a mod
https://voat.co/v/whatever/3436140/20661708
You're a sad, despotic liar Crensch.
but idgaf if you Unban me and follow the rules.
Crensch ago
Count the number of faggots not from pizzagate that have stood up for you.
Looks about right.
NOMOCHOMO ago
are deceiving
Crensch ago
Look at the letter next to his name you absolute fucking idiot
heygeorge ago
I lel’d
Crensch ago
He's still at it. Doesn't know what [S] is, either.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Then why is he listed under Moderators?
Crensch ago
What is his function?
NOMOCHOMO ago
Thanks for asking...Idk. it's very confusing....considering he's listed as a Mod.
There is no Mod page that explains these roles. Like there is for "Rules"
It's probably more confusing even than conflicting flairs.
As I understand it, he has been granted mod priveliges, he just chooses to only work on CSS.
but he expects you to ban him because he's already been banned from greatawakening
NOMOCHOMO ago
found the explanation: it ought to be linked in sidebar
https://voat.co/v/announcements/1322376
according to @puttitout
He's a designer..... A class of Moderator and a valid person to tag for input.
Crensch ago
He designs shit.
There is also a submitter designation that would go in that list. Are they mods?
Retard.
NOMOCHOMO ago
https://voat.co/v/announcements/1322376
Roles
L1 / OwnerJPG: Unrestricted access.
L2 / ModeratorPNG: Nearly unrestricted access. Can't add new Owners, can't Anon a sub, can't remove other L2 mods.
L3 / JanitorJPG: Able to remove posts / comments, flair posts, ban users and distinguish content only.
L4 / DesignerJPG: Able to access stylesheet and modify flairs only.
"would go"? you're making up shit.
Crensch ago
You dumbfuck.
https://voat.co/v/shitlist
What is that?
What is that S?
Explain to me what that S is next to his name, you absolute fucking idiot.
NOMOCHOMO ago
not clicking that. please excerpt or explain.
Crensch ago
HAHAHAHA
Change your user preferences, you fucking kike.
The mod list has a user there with [S] next to his name. What is it? He can't mod. He can't remove things. Just like D can't, but somehow D is a mod?
Is S a mod, too?
NOMOCHOMO ago
I guess in that forum. Is it one in v/pizzagate?
no.
Crensch ago
Not the point, but something tells me you know that and you're paid to pretend you don't.
NOMOCHOMO ago
(((allegations)))