The PM's to moderators are not shared or visible to anyone apart from the person you send it to.

(Except Vindicator sent my private messages without my permission, and that seemed to be ok with you)

@Vindicator has no idea what you've said to me nor what my replies are.

This is part of the reason I prefer full public discussion about this - I didn't even know about this thread until I got pinged.

(Right, that is because you did not have permission to read "that thread". You didn't know about it because I didn't send it to you, Vindicator did, without my permission and without even telling me they were going to do that. Also, they sent it you with a false accusation against me for harassment that I already told you I did not make. I explained this already, yet you felt the need to read my messages and respond to them, even though I already explained that I had given no permission to send them, they were not sent by me.)

As for claims of harassment - I have a very specific and stern view of harassment. And I don't' see it here**.

(I wasn't asking you for your opinion about this. I didn't ask about this and I have already explained it. I made no claim to you about harassment from Vindicator.)

I know you consider frequent messages harassment, but you did DM a mod asking for action and then went quiet.

(I didn't, "go quiet". I have a life. My "quiet" is not an invitation to message me warning me about my complaint process 3 times, calling it an "inquisition". I am "allowed" to not message without it being taken as a form of aggression or an indication you or Vindicator can then begin turning on me)

It is not harassment when that Mod contacts you trying to resolve the issue in a quick manner.

(Clearly you did not read the messages. This statement has nothing to do with the messages- that you were not asked to review by me. They were private messages that Vindicator sent to you as a form of subtle harassment of me. No one asked Vindicator to do that. If you are able to suggest that me asking "peppered questions" is a "subtle form of harassment", then Vindicator sending private messages between us to you, and falsely accusing me of making accusations which I did not make, then I submit that that is doubly a form of, in your words, "subtle harassment")

Harassment is a form of abuse that unfortunately the definition of has been watered down so much lately it has lost it's value.

Are you? Does this concern you? Would you like it to? If not, then what is it you actually think you're doing?

Peppering someone with questions like this is harassment of a softer form - it's a cognitive assault that doesn't let the person being attacked respond and is often used to dis-empower people.

("a form of cognitive assault"---holy fucking shit. That's incredible. "Used to dis-empower people" I don't even think I have the ability to understand how you could twist something rational into something so beyond the realm of normalcy, I'm completely astounded that you were able to come up with these insidious descriptions about something so trivial. It's truly incredible. Why would anyone trust you after that?)

It's aggressive much in a similar way to someone standing way to close to you and pointing their finger in your face.

(This is literally the most patronizing response to a private message that I never gave my permission for you to read in the first place, that I can imagine receiving. This is one of the worst and saddest things I think I could have read. Your need to reduce me to a spec of dirt is so far out of proportion, that it's actually really creepy and says a lot about you and your ego)

It's very difficult to feel happy about that being done to you - so don't expect support when you do it to others.

(so basically now that Vindicator sent you private messages, that I asked them to stop messaging me with and I never gave my permission for you to read, you are telling me now I can expect no support from you. Ok, read you loud and clear. Thanks)

If you had told me @Vindicator was harassing you and showed me proof (to my standards of proof) I would have taken immediate action -

(Why would I have? I was not making a complaint against Vindicator, remember? My complaint was against MF along with many others. Why would I ever say anything about Vindicator? It was never about Vindicator. Again- I NEVER gave Vindicator my permission to send you my private messages, and I never gave you permission to read them. The only reason this is happening is because Vindicator sent you messages they had no permission sending, and now we're talking about this, instead of the issues we all have been having with MF. I had no cause to tell you anything about Vindicator, since I was filing a complaint against Millenial Falcon, not Vindicator)

but if you made the claim and your only support is what's happened here: I would evaluate you as a drama instigator and your cause would have been lost. All because of an eagerness to jump to accusatory and inflammatory words

( I DID NOT MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST VINDICATOR. THIS IS NOT ABOUT VINDICATOR. STOP. JUST STOP OBSESSING ABOUT VINDICATOR ALREADY)

If you DM a mod requesting another Mod be banned, and then go quiet - don't act surprised when you get messages trying to deal with the issue.

(Your attitude here is really exposing your real true colors. I didn't "go quiet" Look at the messages and actually read them. I responded to all of the messages, asking Vindicator to stop messaging me and telling him I had the process underway. You are simply lying now. Why are you both accusing me of harassment by responding with questions as well as "going quiet". Which is it? I can't respond with "soft harassment" and also "go quiet", which according to you is also aggressive. Clearly you have an agenda and are on a smear campaign, when just a few days ago you were thanking me. And I didn't "act surprised". Why would you even chose those words. I acted annoyed, and stated outright that Vindicator needed to let it go and stop contacting me about it, which they didn't do.)

In this case the correct path of action would have been to say to Vindicator that you were talking to me and Vindicator didn't' need to spend any more time on this.

(I DID, MORON)

I've known Vindicator as a community member and a moderator for a long while and I've never seen anything that would constitute a need for censure, and I've never received a complaint about them either.

(GREAT! Since I was never filing a complaint (and still have not) about Vindicator. Glad you are finally understanding that)

Which considering the constant 'mods are shills' harassment that happens here is quite a refreshing surprise.

(Oh, I see-you all are the victims here. You are "harassed" a lot are you? I thought "harassment as a term" was "watered down and lost its meaning these days"? But not for mods. I see. Message received loud and clear, mods get harassed "constantly" but Voaters don't experience that because it's a watered down term that has lost it's meaning when it happens to us, but not when it happens to you, then it's "constant. Umkay)

Reporting MF concerns ALL moderators and ALL moderators should be included in the communications - hence my repeated requests for a public discussion in the relevant subverse. The entire question of harassment would have been avoided otherwise.

(No, the entire "question of harassment", was not a question to begin with. It does not exist. I am not the one that even mentioned it to you. YOU keep bring it up. This entire message is about NOTHING I have asked you about. Again, this was not about Vindicator. "Harassment"-It was a false accusation made about me by Vindicator by sending you my private messages without my permission, which you also did not and still do not have my permission to read or voice any opinion on, since I didn't ask you for one. The entire question of harassment is not a question, nor anything I contacted you about, this is Vindicator's mess, not mine. I didn't message you about it, they did.)

**I will continue to participate in the inquisition of @Millennial_Falcon but be aware that there is a very high burden of proof on you as the accuser to demonstrate that MF has acted against the community. Additionally, from this point forward I will only respond to publicly visible discussion - just remember to ping me in the comments when you make the post in v/pizzagatemods

Also, anyone threatening to post "once per day" would immediately be labelled by me as drama. And if I was a mod on protectvoat I would ban you for spamming**.

( Except it wouldn't be spamming, since I have different posts-complaints from different voaters for each day, Einstein)

It's not a useful technique to gain attention to a cause as all it does is take away the energy of the people that could help you. Instead spend the time making a single, well articulated post detailing your case and allow the time for the community to participate. Just like writing a high school essay, it can take time to craft up a post like that - patience is essential when dealing with these things, there are no fast resolutions.

("Just like writing a highschool essay". Thanks grandpa, what would I do with out you explaining me teh world)

This whole issue is clearly getting everyone's goat and emotions are getting in the way of the path to resolution. I respectfully request all participants to make better efforts to dial down the emotional reactionary responses. And if anyone want's me to do anything about this topic, it's not a request

No one needs you after all that. And I wouldn't trust you even if you did have any ability to do anything at this point, which it's completely obvious you don't. Waste of time.

@sensitive