We're being asked to come up with a definition of pizzagate, so that the mods know how to enforce the rules.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1517862
There seems a slowly building consensus that pizzagate is more than the DC ring/CF pedophile connection. I agree I guess. But I also agree that pizzagate is unorganized and inefficient. Managing a subverse with very a broad definition is near to impossible to keep the info clean I imagine. There are only 25, so a total of 75? pages that are up at any time, and with so many enthusiasts following following so many trails and covering so many different angles, valuable info gets buried under rubbish but also under other valuable info.
Obviously, voat is not designed to manage an investigation... But when we could use it differently, I think we could actually make real improvements to the effectiveness of the endeavors made by this community. Please hear me out.
It seems we have a worldwide pedocracy running amok. I think many believe this is what pizzagate is. Obviously, an investigation into this pedocracy can not run from a single sub. I know, that's why you made more subs. But there is a problem.
pizzagate is the sub with all the subscribers, and the lurkers don't view anything else. I don't know what the traffic for the sub is but I imagine it's pretty big. Everyone here, wants to be here, so from the definition discussion we will probably end up with the broadest definition, judging by the posts that are being made.
So what if you could keep pizzagate what it is, but simultaneously add a lot of structure to the differnt investigations. I'm talking about making the pizzagate sub the hub where all the info from the various specialized subs comes together to be viewed and voated on. I know, this would mean a very drastic change, but if explained correctly you might actually get the community to come of its lazy ass and organize itself a little.
How then? Well, there should be extensive discussion on this, but I imagine a model where the rule for posting to pizzagate is that your post was first posted in one of the sub-field subs and received and X amount of upvoats(which could be different for different subs, depending on the activity of the sub-field subverse).
So, what do you think about these thoughts? If it sounds like it might be worth exploring, we could start discussion on what sub-field subverses including the ones you got now would cover the broadest definition of pizzagate, like
PedoFiles for all raw data pedophile related (direct links go here),
Pedocracy for possible connections made to power structures and occult history of pedophilia.
Pizzanalysis for sourced analysis discussion posts
PizzaTube(that sounds real bad...) for non-raw videos, gifs and memes
Please let me know what you think. I just know this endeavor could be so much more productive.
wecanhelp ago
I don't see how this would play out in actual practice, I don't really see it working. It's already hard enforcing a set of simple rules. We simply don't have the resources to maintain a multi-level structure much like real-life organizations do. And it's not even necessarily better than a flat one.
I think the solution to the problem that is the premise of your post (we're unorganized and there is an information overload) is for a high-level analyst team to self-organize, and start working autonomously in whatever way and structure they see fit, as long as there is an end goal of producing an organized, easy-to-use database of findings and evidence. There's a shit ton of information surfacing continuously, but I doubt it's being assembled into a big picture by anybody, or if it is, it's happening silently. Unfortunately, forming a team like this starts with somebody possessing excellent analytical skills taking the initiative, and others with similar skills following. We might need to reach the critical mass first before we have a big enough talent pool to tap into. So I'm not saying I know how to do this, just that I think this would be the real solution, not a more complex multi-subverse effort.
Sentastixc ago
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