Related to PG due to normalization of pedophilia in movies
http://archive.is/Uu8dM#selection-453.17-453.96
BERLIN, February 28, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — A sci-fi movie portraying a sexual relationship between a man and a robot that replicates his lost 10-year-old daughter has prompted walkouts and outrage at its screenings at the Berlin film festival.
The film, titled The Trouble with Being Born and directed by Austrian Sandra Wollner, stirred controversy at its February 25 world premiere at Berlinale 2020, reported the U.K. Independent.
It depicts a child-like android, played by 10-year-old Lena Watson (a pseudonym), who calls her owner “Daddy.”
While much is implied, the movie 'leaves little doubt that the man ... has a sexual relationship with the child robot,' the Independent reports.
The movie also includes multiple CGI nude scenes.
The film evoked disgust on Twitter, with one person calling it “paedophile propaganda,” the Independent reported.
That was echoed by FilmGoblin in a review entitled “Pedophilia gets mainstream nod in The Trouble with Being Born.”
“Who are these people actually kidding?” notes the review.
“Let’s not pretend that this isn’t about mainstreaming the last sexual perversion — other than bestiality — that isn’t socially acceptable,” it adds. “And there’s no argument to be made in defense of the existence of this film by using the ‘Lolita’ defense, or even the ‘well it’s just a robot’ defense.”
Wollner told the Hollywood Reporter, which described the film as a “hidden gem,” that the role was originally intended for a 20-year-old.
However, she decided to cast a child after removing some more explicit elements in the script.
“What I found interesting about it is that we have an android whose only desires are the ones you program it to have,” she said. “I found it fascinating to show the perspective of the world through this machine that does not judge and does not care, and doesn’t need the meanings that we do.”
Wollner added that she was initially “scared” about choosing a child for the part and said that when she was casting for the role, she looked for a minor who came from a “healthy environment.”
It was also necessary that the child come from “the sort of open-minded family who would understand the story they wanted to tell and also allow them to do it,” noted The Hollywood Reporter.
In the end, Wollner found Watson because her parents were known by a friend of a friend.
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review-the-trouble-with-being-born-is-a-chilly-rumination-on-memory/
An android whose deep black eyes and waxily smooth skin—evoking the eerie expressionlessness of Christiane’s face mask in Eyes Without a Face—are the very definition of the Uncanny Valley, Elli was built to replicate the father’s daughter, who disappeared 10 years before.
…"Wollner continues to fill her film with too little story...."
That problem becomes more acute once Elli runs away and the story shifts to another android-human relationship. After Elli is picked up by a passing motorist (Simon Hatzl) who then gifts her like a new toy to his elderly mother (Ingrid Burkhard), still mourning the little brother she lost 60 years before. The ease with which Elli is made into a boy—in the world of the film, reprogramming androids is about as complicated as restarting a smartphone—stands in stark contrast to the violent trauma of abuse that still lingers like a ghost in her flickeringly sentient CPU. But while the setting and the primary human character changes in the second half of the film, Wollner’s narrow view of her story means just more of the same glassy expressions and long maundering silences, like Tarkovsky without the existential pain. At some point, the mirroring begins to feel more like straight repetition without any significant revelation.
In the end, The Trouble with Being Born suffers from the same issue as its moody androids: enervation borne out of repetition. There are some attempts here and there to comment on the replacement of human connection with silicone facsimiles. We almost never see people together.
But rather than truly exploring the ramifications of its futuristic conceit, whether from a broader societal or individualistic and relational perspective, the film just keeps looping back to the same luminously filmed but ultimately blank silences.
Presumably in no small part due Sandra Wollner's error in believing "it fascinating to show the perspective of the world through this machine that does not judge and does not care, and doesn’t need the meanings that we do.”
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letouejil ago
So breaking down what this so called filmmaker is saying, it's the "judgment" of others that makes sex with a child into a bad thing. This is disgusting!
kestrel9 ago
That's the same argument the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) pedo activists have been pushing in order to justify molesting kids as a natural, victimless sexual preference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange
notdivided ago
And the same thing the "false memory foundation syndrome" board members propagate.
ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago
kestrel9 ago
Several things stood out to me about Sandra Wollner's comments in this interview https://cineuropa.org/en/interview/385583/
One could make that argument about filmmakers as well. In my mind she's like an android, a product of a culture that has pedophiles projecting their desires into every form of influence that they can. She's become so devoid of a truly human response to what is clear to the audience (this is why they walked out), that she can only approach the topic of pedophilia and child rape as an empty vessel, the child does not exist. She projects terms like 'a point of view' and 'wants and desires' onto a fictional android, who is programmed, yet never addresses the actions and ill intent of the programmer. She doesn't give the back story of the father who molests his daughter, and then uses a doll image of his dead daughter as a sex toy, demonstrating that he has as little regard for her humanity in death as he did when she was alive. The daughter was not a sex toy, she was his victim, the fact that he can have sex with a likeness of her after her death makes one wonder what such a creep did to her real body after she drowned! (That's the reality of society we live in when it comes to pedophiles and necrophilia.) The daughter's image in a doll is not value neutral, and a director presenting the story of the doll this way (dehumanizing the daughter) is a bigger story on the state of 'virtualization of values' in our times then the end product (her movie).
The story is that (a character) the ten year child is dead, her image is created to be used as a sex toy. Wollner can't see that she's created within her story an example of "just reliving and reliving" of a state of dehumanization. She's herself is a symptom of a sick society.
Wollner in her own words, is unable untangle a virtual reality, a tape recording, from life.
Neither Pinocchio nor 'anti-Pinocchio' are humans and cannot be humans (btw Wollner misses the point of the Pinocchio story entirely, a fairy tale with an evil imp character possessing a wood figurine marionette and The Fairy with Turquoise Hair ). Unlike Wollner's Fairy tales serve more purpose than the aim of her movie does.
So, reality check is needed for Wollner. Programs don't 'want'. Yet, Wollner can't break down the obvious. Let's simplify that: a toaster can serve up toast to a pedophile just as easy as to someone who lost a sibling. Talking about the story of either (the pedophile or the sibling) from the so called 'perspective' of the toaster is pseudo intellectualism, a mind fart. If anything, Wollner presents a false equivalent, something that pedos and their supporters are prone to doing.
Objects don't have perspectives, and it's disingenuous to pretend they do in a context that dehumanizes a child victim of rape. It only serves to protect the pedophile mindset by objectifying reality wherein they don't even have to pretend to care about the subject as having consequences on real people or a real society, any action "just is".
A programmed machine does not have a perspective and Wollner deludes herself in thinking that one can, on the one hand, give a machine a 'perspective' and on the other hand, claim that there is no perspective. There is certainly a perspective, but it's a human perspective as all movies are because movies are intended to be viewed by humans, not androids.
kestrel9 ago
I had to edit part of my comment, as I only saw the previews of the movie, and the scene of what looks like a drowned girl, and of the father carrying the drowned girl through the woods/meadow, I assumed the daughter had drowned. Apparently she 'disappeared' but does make an appearance in the movie:
https://variety.com/2020/film/reviews/the-trouble-with-being-born-review-1203516473/
Great. So is the flesh and blood version of the father's perversion okay with him using a sex doll version of herself for his perversions, or are is the concept of which pronoun to use and dead naming the only objection? /s
carmencita ago
@NinaSparrow
carmencita ago
Watch. They will defend this movie as a deterrent for Child rape. They will say the sex doll will be enough for the pedo and a Child will be saved. I’m sure of it. We have posts on sex dolls here.
Mind_Games ago
Unless you're willing to hunt down these "writers, directors" and supporters..then shut the fuck up.
Petulant crying helps noone and does nothing.
kestrel9 ago
You don't have a clue in this case about this woman. https://cineuropa.org/en/interview/385583/
Mind_Games ago
I do have a clue. I'd slice her throat and move onto the next one...just like the rest of them.
Shillaxe ago
Keyboard warrior .
Mind_Games ago
Yawn. Back to your crayons and legos , kiddo
Shillaxe ago
Well, go on complaining about people doing nothing ,while you do absolutely....nothing.
Now, go back to your corner and resume eating paint chips.
Mind_Games ago
Your lame entrapment tactics need work.
Shillaxe ago
Don't be skeered , everyone knows you'd slice necks , even the @fbi .
Mind_Games ago
HAHAHAHA...you’re a moron. Hope that works well for you.
Shillaxe ago
Still,I have to wonder how many throats you've slit, creep.
Mind_Games ago
That you would spend time wondering about it , is laughably stupid.
How many donuts did you pound down today ? Don't let your husband catch you with powdered sugar on your lip.
Shillaxe ago
So you just spout garbage , got it cupcake , back to your hole now...go, bye bye.
Mind_Games ago
Awe Pooh, no honey here :(
Starve, bitch.
Shillaxe ago
🖕 😎 🖕
kestrel9 ago
Once again, a person that doesn't read before assuming they know something. It gets old. (Maybe not as old as you, but old nonetheless).
Mind_Games ago
Once again, a moron who uses a false platitude to try and gain back power lost by someone telling the most obvious truths.
You should prepare yourself, the world is awakening.
kestrel9 ago
Whatever prospect there could have been to have a conversation with you about obvious truths expired with your persistent toffee-nosed posturing.
Mind_Games ago
The sad part is that instead of using that hook to go fishing, you waste it on here...doing nothing.
kestrel9 ago
Guess that makes two of us.
Mind_Games ago
Yeah, clearly my comment history would indicate that my “anti-Semitistic” comments could lead one to believe that I’m a hooked nosed kike lol.
Your crayons miss you.
kestrel9 ago
So you're a garden variety troll after all. So much for giving old goats benefit of the doubt. You need to get the last word in? Go ahead, no one cares.
Mind_Games ago
"You need to get the last word in ?" = "please keep speaking to me"
carmencita ago
Not only does the movie portray pedophelia but when the girl runs away she is picked up by a motorist who gives her to his Mother as. replacement for the brother she lost 60 years ago. Tricky. It touches on transgenderism. They really want to touch all the bases. Yuck.
BeeBop71 ago
Wollner has no values or moral center. She's a jew.
MaxBlock50 ago
In the near future we'll likely have realistic sex bots. What do we do when people order sex bots that appear 10 years old? Should that be illegal?
letouejil ago
I vote for shooting them.
kestrel9 ago
Child sex dolls are already available in the world but not legal to be imported into some countries. I would ask if people would care if someone made it look like their dead 10 year that they were molesting. Is that where society is at, no one gives a shit what degenerate people do. Then society is no better than mindless programmed bots.
MaxBlock50 ago
Giving a shit and making it illegal can be 2 different things. If an act or item can be illegal without a damaged party, then anything can be made illegal.
Angelis_Solaris ago
The United States Constitution does not protect freedom of expression. The courts devised that phrase and have been using it for the last 100 years to subvert a protection of words (freedom of speech) into a protection of actions and behaviors (expression).
MaxBlock50 ago
How would you prove "it corrupts the morals of the people"? Ambiguous language will always favor government tyranny.
Angelis_Solaris ago
Becuase it goes against the Bible's teachings and the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's what our founders based the Republic on. God's Law is the highest authority and it is man's duty to uphold it. No laws contradicting the Ten Commandments (i.e. saying you can steal your neighbor's property or kill them) or the teachings of Jesus are valid laws because they do not derive just authority from anything.
Vindicator ago
Child sex robots are damaging to all children, because they feed the perverted addictions of pedophiles, increasing the demand for child pornography that harms real children.
kestrel9 ago
^^That is why it's illegal to import them in some countries, because while they don't legislate what a pedo feels, they still care enough about the children to recognize the broader societal consequences of CP in all forms and enabling the behavior/addictions. (Although in the UK that's a bit problematic and untrue considering their record of protecting elite pedos/murderers)
Otto- ago
Similar for regulations around viewing CP, or "simulations" of CP, like cartoons, CG, comics. It's illegal in some countries to "obtain" or store them as polaroids or files, in other countries by viewing or searching terms, and it's largely ambiguous/unspecified in the rest of countries. I know the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy, but this is one case where it seems pretty pressing; the more people opt for realistic depictions of child abuse via literature, drawings, computer animations, physical models, interactivity, AI, the more degraded and pertinent the lines of the crime become, and so the obligations to regulate it.
Honestly, thinking about the extent to which people increasingly simulate things in their reality, the more my mind implodes with distorted frustration & confusion. I'm finding it harder to comprehend now, like I'm from an older generation despite being from the 90s.
kestrel9 ago
Great comment thank you.
In the US the simulations and cartoon depictions of CP, rape, gang rape, sex trafficking, are not regulated. That's why parts of Voat have it and there are people here who have no issues sexting each other over this shit. (I reported it but never went back to see if anything became of it). There comes a point where people need to wake up from their wicked ways, there's no law to babysit them into doing the right thing by condemning the sexual exploitation of kids, even in forms that they don't believe "hurt anyone". This includes trans movement and Drag Queens.
Angelis_Solaris ago
There are laws against what they are doing, but they haven't been enforced in many years. Pornographic depictions are not protected under the Bill of Rights or the Constitution of the United States and were illegal in the founding era. These people are outside of the law and justly belong in prison.
kestrel9 ago
I'm adding this info which supports the illegality of loli cp
Note that the person had a prior conviction of having cp
@puttitout All these behaviors (except for the prior convictions to our knowledge) are/were taking place on the loli cp subs on voat. This appears to be illegal behavior (at least in Richmond Virginia). Providing a platform for illegal behavior is a violation of voat's own rules. I haven't checked the subs to see if anything has happened since I reported many of the posts as violating voat rules (nor do I intend to as I've seen as much of that sick shit as I can tolerate, even for reporting it.) In addition there are subs where written cp fantasy also is posted. I don't know if the case in Richmond is isolated but it is something to consider.
@crensch @Vindicator
Angelis_Solaris ago
"This appears to be illegal behavior (at least in Richmond Virginia)."
As a federal crime, it is applicable to all states, yes?: "first person convicted under a 2003 federal statute that makes obscene cartoon drawings as well as photographs an illegal form of child pornography."
kestrel9 ago
In Whorley's case he broke the conditions of a prior charge (he was under court supervised release and was a repeat offender regarding cp, not cartoons.). So his case involves violating probation and 14 counts of receiving child pornography, so it's unknown whether the possession of the cartoon depictions alone (without possession of cp as well) would have resulted in a prosecution.
I found this too https://io9.gizmodo.com/manga-collection-ruled-child-pornography-by-us-court-5272107, where there was a conviction despite there not being any cp involved, but that is because his lawyer advised him to plead guilty.
So 'community standards' play a part in determining the legality of the images? How does this translate into an online community such as voat? I would say that one could argue that the attacks of trolls and lolicon cp collectors against subs where the vast majority of users are AGAINST the images and consider them obscene, those actions, those images, could be considered illegal and one would think would be enough to get a sitewide ban of those users. Since the 'community' of perverts that have their depicted cartoon child rape subs isolated from the rest of the voat, they could argue that the same images are legal unless those users are in possession of cp or have prior records/convictions of possession of cp. (no way to know). That's how I'm reading the case cited in the link.
@puttitout
kestrel9 ago
Here's some info on the laws in various countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors
US laws are not quite cut and dry.
There was this case though:
I'm not sure if that covers anime cp. In New Zealand a man was arrested for having pixie porn (not human depictions). http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8577037/Man-sent-to-jail-for-watching-pixie-sex
One can see that the subject is problematic, we don't want 'thought crimes'.
The subject is further complicated by the problem of cp with real individuals that runs rampant throughout the world, sex tourism, child prostitution (all illegal) and which loli cp porn advocates point out when justifying what they consider a legal and victimless form of sexual depictions. So the issue speaks to that of a degenerate culture, we see the sexualizing of children through the media and commercialism, through transgender movement/drag kids fad.. all legal and all public and in our faces. Kids toys have babies dressed like hookers, dolls that appear like dead sexualized zombies, all legal for children to buy and play with. So as much as the loli rape porn on voat bothers me, it's hidden behind the NSFW setting, it's hidden within subs, (until trolls used it to attack QRV sub, that's how I found out about it). It's up to the Voat management to make that call on a this free speech site.
@puttitout
Angelis_Solaris ago
"But for the purposes of law it is probably important to distinguish between these because convicting someone for their moral views is very dangerous."
This is absurd. No one is being convicted for their "moral views." They're being convicted for their actions and behaviors, i.e. distributing cartoon cp and creating cartoon cp. Someone with such moral views should not be on the streets, as they are compromised, but it's their actions and behaviors that are punishable.
3141592653 ago
One sentence in and already beyond W. T. F.
tokui ago
Stephen Miller is jewish.
It's a robot, you retards. It's called a story, with acting.
Pls ignore all the graphic depictions of murder and rape in movies, though.
Keep hugging your binky called "there's a pedo out there somewhere", while the western world is completely burning down.
Fucking worthless moralfaggots.
KillerKap ago
whole lotta jewish faggot bullshit right here. you think we cant spot your faggot cuntery you dumb kike? get raped you faggot.
3141592653 ago
Gaslighting
Phuk_Hugh ago
I love what they do to people like you in prison.
tokui ago
People like me never go to prison.
People like me are whom you retards call on to defend you from illogical injustices.
There'd be no America without us, just blithering slaves of jew manipulation - you.
KillerKap ago
jew lawyer faggot checking in. get fucked you piece of shit. you will end up in a gutter bleeding and eating mud right before you die.
Phuk_Hugh ago
cool story bro.
All I have seen of you so far is pedo-apologetics.
tokui ago
I don't defend undefinable notions. That's a liberal thing.
I attack moralfaggotry.
Phuk_Hugh ago
pedophilia/pederasty are VERY defined, and you are defending their normalization. When did you decide that sexual relationships with children was 'moralfaggotry'?
tokui ago
You're hewing to a narrow, jewed, modern liberal twist on relations.
Traditional relations involve marriage between a menstruating female and an established male provider & protector.
Many traditional cultures still practice the above, the healthiest biological combination.
Instead, people are desensitized to 30 and 40 yr old brides, shrink from an arbitrary demarcation set at 18yrs. These are unthinking moralfags, useful bots of their own white genocide. They are the enemy.
3141592653 ago
This language is sounding like donkey or r u sure, known pedo shills
Vindicator ago
Indeed
3141592653 ago
Thanks for the back-up
Vindicator ago
:-)
Phuk_Hugh ago
I am 'hewing' to the notion that sex with a 10 year old is evil. You consider that notion 'a narrow, jewed, modern liberal twist on relations'. The rest of what you wrote is poisoned by this sentiment.
tokui ago
I don't share your cuck values.
Phuk_Hugh ago
I make children, I don't fuck them. How about you?
tokui ago
For the record, nearly 100% of pedophilia involves a father & daughter.
Phuk_Hugh ago
While I am sure this the case in your household, it is certainly not the case in mine.
tokui ago
They always deny, of course.
3141592653 ago
Case in point??
Phuk_Hugh ago
They wouldn't have to if you would leave them the hell alone and get some help, you demented fuck!
tokui ago
I'm the only sane goat here. You're filled with obvious estrogens polluting your ability to reason. Rationalizing has strong ties to child abusers, obviously.
You would benefit from rereading and analyzing my words with a clear mind.
Phuk_Hugh ago
to what end? your positions are idiotic at best. It's like you are working from a script. Do you have to check with your manager when I use a word that's too big?
IIJOSEPHXII ago
Why did they walk in in the first place?
Pcpoet09 ago
every one has a difrent point to witch they will except things. my guess is they did not realize that a real child would be involved..
kestrel9 ago
Good question!
Terraeri1 ago
Strange, might be just a coincidence, but the recent CDAN suggests there are about to be audition videos of Speilberg and kids from the sets of AI and Jurrasic Park where he is asking them innapropriate questions..... AI was originally supposed to be along the same premise as this, a child sex robot. But what sparked my interest is that the Screen writer for AI is an English Sci Fi writer named Ian WATSON. Same name as the child in this film.
The only info i can find on this poor 10 year old Lena Watson is that it is apparently a stage name. I cannot find reference to who her parents are
ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago
3141592653 ago
Did Kubrick say AI was supposed to be about a child sex robot?
tokui ago
CDAN. We'll soon see.
3141592653 ago
That's where I saw it mentioned too. Thanks.
Micheal84 ago
Alefantis had a buddy in Berlin, they even had a restaurant over there.
carmencita ago
Pedos will be flocking to see the movie and get turned on and leave and do what. After what you described it leaves nothing to the imagination. They will tale the next step. Ugh. This really makes me sick.
Noraaa ago
Isn't how pedos think of children though.. like rag dolls
worldofmadness ago
Sandra Wollner is jewish. This is expected, the jews are at the forefront of pushing pedophilia and they are the ones in control of our media, so expect more and more pro child rape propaganda from this race of filth. This is a jewish agenda, their aim is to make society as degenerate and deprived as possible by pushing everything that is evil and abhorrent using their control of the media. This needs to be talked about more and we need to tell it like it is if we are to ever remove the jewish control of the media, people need to know who to focus on and go after. Because if we do not, we will just see more and more of this filth.
redwing14 ago
the movie won a special jury award, and best poster design. I guess the movie industry likes it..
silentwatcher ago
probably because the majority of the movie industry are pedophiles themselves.
3141592653 ago
The Catholic Church.