Youtube Star dead, circumstances unknown (Accused Dan Schneider of pedophilia in 2014) (pizzagate)

submitted ago by NOMOCHOMO

Dillon the Hacker is a YouTuber. He's now apparently dead.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/dillon-the-hacker-dead/

But nobody knows exactly what happened...Some are even accusing it of being a stunt/troll

He's the first person who ever accused Dan Schneider of being a pedo on Video (2014)

https://youtu.be/ltbzdKB8jZE

In what appears to be a fictional rant, Dillon repeatedly references Dan's Jewish Heritage. Claims he dated Ariana Grande before she was famous and personally heard stories of sex slavery and ritualized abuse of nickelodeon stars.

Archive this Video, YouTube could purge his account: https://youtu.be/ltbzdKB8jZE

I still haven't made up my mind on this whole spectacle. Whether Dillon is dead or alive, his "death" can be used to bring more attention to Dan Schneider's pedo proclivity

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EricKaliberhall ago

But nobody knows exactly what happened...Some are even accusing it of being a stunt/troll

Possible Disinformation flair is activated.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Nothing in my post is possible disinfo.

My post covers both possibilities (hoax/real), so nobody can accuse me of later spreading a false narrative

I am reposting MSM news stories that mention online speculation about his death being a hoax

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/tragedy-mystery-over-dillon-hackers-19036892

The official narrative is no details have emerged regarding his death. Thus, it is a developing story.

@vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed is this "possible disinfo" flair warranted?

Multiple MSM sites say it may be a hoax. The accusations of it being a "troll/hoax" are a necessary to fully encompass the story.

Flairing the post as "possible disinfo" (when I dont commit to either narrative) actually keeps people from reading it and considering if it is disinfo or not.

think- ago

Then you should have chosen another headline. Your headline says 'Youtube Star dead'. And yes, headlines need to be accurate, or they will get flaired.

NOMOCHOMO ago

all msm is reporting him dead.

If I were to post a different headline, people would claim I'm spreading disinfo by claiming it's a hoax.

Crensch ago

Youtube Star dead

The above is a factual claim.

Empiricism: EACH factual claim that is not common knowledge must be sourced with a link.

It very obviously isn't common knowledge if:

But nobody knows exactly what happened...Some are even accusing it of being a stunt/troll

Therefore, I'm flagging this per rule 2. @EricKaliberhall @think- @Vindicator

NOMOCHOMO ago

So if a story is developing, it cannot be reported on here until it is empirical/common knowledge?

I provide a source because it isn't common knowledge...yet my own doubt of the truthfulness of the MSM story invalidates it as empirical evidence?

wtf are you even saying?

Crensch ago

So if a story is developing, it cannot be reported on here until it is empirical/common knowledge?

Sounds like you're having trouble understanding the rules.

I provide a source https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/dillon-the-hacker-dead/ because it isn't common knowledge...

You provide that source but admit yourself that nobody knows exactly what happened. Meaning your source didn't say that. Meaning you just posted a link that didn't verify your claim.

yet my own doubt of the truthfulness of the MSM story invalidates it as empirical evidence per pizzagate rules?

You made the claim.

You make the claim, you support it.

"Youtube Star dead"

Except we all know you can't support it, because by your own admission, nobody knows what happened.

wtf are you even saying?

Why is such a simple thing so difficult for you to grasp?

NOMOCHOMO ago

(((You provide that source but admit yourself that nobody knows exactly what happened. Meaning your source didn't say that. Meaning you just posted a link that didn't verify your claim.)))

My own doubt doesn't invalidate the claim the article is making.

The article I linked is titled:

"Dillon the Hacker Dead"

That article uses the statements of other Youtubers who had relationships with Dillon to verify the claims including PewdiePie & BGKumbi

They got multiple confirmations which together become the empirical basis for the article.

Crensch ago

My own doubt doesn't invalidate the claim the article is making.

You made the post. You submitted the text. The claim is yours to defend.

The article I linked is titled:

"Dillon the Hacker Dead"

So?

Just because you repeat a lie doesn't mean you're not responsible for supporting it.

That article uses the statements of other Youtubers who had relationships with Dillon to verify the claims including PewdiePie & BGKumbi

So... lots of anecdotal evidence. Do you know why anecdotes aren't accepted as evidence for most things?

They got multiple confirmations which together become the empirical basis for the article.

But nobody knows exactly what happened...Some are even accusing it of being a stunt/troll

Empirical, but unconfirmed.

Edit: Speculation of death/hoax is in my original link. Why are Mods trying to remove this post?

You're really quite stupid, aren't you?

Re-post without stating as a fact that he's dead when you cannot confirm it with anyone but "people who are close to him" if you cannot confirm it.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Empiricism: EACH factual claim that is not common knowledge must be sourced with a link.

v.s.

Empirical, but unconfirmed

where is "confirmed" or "unconfirmed" in the official submission rules?

@shewhomustbeobeyed @vindicator

Crensch ago

EACH factual claim

Youtube Star dead

So any link referencing the subject but not confirming the claim is acceptable, even when the user admits that the claims is unconfirmed?

NOMOCHOMO ago

the link confirms the claim with the statements of 3 individuals who were involved with the "deceased"

my own caution has no bearing on the empirical claims

Crensch ago

the link confirms the claim with the statements of 3 individuals who were involved with the "deceased"

That's not your claim. Your claim was not "3 individuals claim youtuber is deceased" it is "Youtube star dead".

Your backpedaling has no bearing on your burden of proof.

NOMOCHOMO ago

My title is "YouTube Star Dead, circumstances unknown..."

My title is based directly on the vast majority of Mainstream Media Articles which themeselves claim "Dillon the Hacker is Dead"

Not only did I qualify my title with "circumstances unknown" I urged caution in the first line of my post.

Dillon the Hacker is a YouTuber. He's now apparently dead....But nobody knows exactly what happened...Some are even accusing it of being a stunt/troll.

W/in the reporting, the confusion is addressed, but finalizes with the conclusion that the death is real. Hence the Editorial Staff approving the title.

You're shifting the standard of proof from "empirical" to "confirmed". Such a standard is NOT FOUND in submission guidelines.

you still have not clarified as to what "confirmation" would reverse your flair. Death Cert?

@vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed

Crensch ago

Let me give you an example:

"HILLARY CLINTON IS IN JAIL"

People close to Hillary made this statement; here's a link.

Nobody knows what happened.

That's what you're saying should be allowed here.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Let me give you an example:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3400486

Suprise one of Epstein's cameras was not working.

according to This story (http://archive.fo/TQ9Oi) one the cameras on Epstein's was not working.

Relevancy is a probable cover-up of a murder of an elite pedophile or white hats putting him in witness protection so he can offer testimony on other elite pedophiles.

switch Hillary Clinton w/ Epstein....These posts are allowed already...

"sources who were briefed earlier this month"

vs

4 youtubers who have documented online history w/ dillon.

@vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed

Crensch ago

Hmm, and nobody reported it or mentioned that OP literally lied in the title.

@Vindicator I'll let you figure out where you want to draw this line. I think NOMOshade is trying to cause problems, but you've got point here.

Vindicator ago

Thanks Crensch. Only just saw this ping.

Generally speaking, when facts are in dispute or something might be disinfo, we only flair it such if the submitter does not discuss the disinfo likelihood himself. It looked to me like @Nomochomo did that here (though the submission was edited before I saw it, so that may not have been the case originally before @EricKaliberhall flair it.)

NOMOCHOMO ago

thanks Vin, this was my OP submission text

Dillon the Hacker is a YouTuber. He's now apparently dead.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/dillon-the-hacker-dead/

But nobody knows exactly what happened...Some are even accusing it of being a stunt/troll

He's the first person who ever accused Dan Schneider of being a pedo on Video (2014)

https://youtu.be/ltbzdKB8jZEYouTube

In what appears to be a fictional rant, Dillon repeatedly references Dan's Jewish Heritage. Claims he dated Ariana Grande before she was famous and personally heard stories of sex slavery and ritualized abuse of nickelodeon stars.

Archive this Video, YouTube could purge his account: https://youtu.be/ltbzdKB8jZEYouTube

I still haven't made up my mind on this whole spectacle. Whether Dillon is dead or alive, his "death" can be used to bring more attention to Dan Schneider's pedo proclivity

For the record @shewhomustbeobeyed

It was first flaired "possible disinfo" by @EricKaliberhall

Upon my contesting of the flair, and subsequent edit, @crensch gave it the 24 hour flair.

I appreciate the removals of the flairs.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

I'm glad you guys have settled this.

I do not have the ability to save video. If you have a bitchute account or something similar, you can archive them yourself. Firefox has a video save, I hear.

Also, we are currently on lockdown, so i am unable to archive Voat submissions as well. You can take screenshots and I can archive those.

After reading the disagreement you had with the mods, I hope they can define their standards better.

Please be careful, septimasexta got banned the other day.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Thanks for witnessing. @Shewhomustbeobeyed

Ditto on mod standards @Vindicator @Crensch @erickaliberhall @heygeorge I had my post flaired as "Disinfo" or "Rule Breaking" for over a day.

Thus delegitimizing it, keeping people from reading it, and ultimately suppressing valid info dissemination.

to encourage the highest moderation standards, what if Mods had to sticky any posts that are deemed unfairly flagged/removed and flair them Supressed or Retraction

It's what Putt did with the Junkerman Post during our DDOS. Seems in line with Voat's pursuit of free speech

Vindicator ago

You're not trying to "encourage highest moderation standards" Nomo. You are eagerly taking advantage of what you perceive as an opportunity to attack the moderators of this board, which you have done since your very first day here, which occurred the same week we exposed the most nefarious, speech-suppressing user we've ever had on this board.

That guy was constantly attacking moderators as well.

If you don't want downvotes, stop acting like an asshole drama queen.

I had my post flaired as "Disinfo" or "Rule Breaking" for over a day.

Thus delegitimizing it, keeping people from reading it, and ultimately suppressing valid info dissemination.

Wanna back that up with some evidence? You can't, because it fake and gay. The flairs did not harm your submission in any way whatsoever. It's still #7 on the front page.

Furthermore, the 24 Hour Grace flair is specifically given to draw user attention to posts that need help so they can be preserved. The whole point of it is to get MORE people reading and assisting.

NOMOCHOMO ago

I'm calling Mods out when they fuck up. It's my duty to, because Mods aren't Gods. Ya'll need help sometimes

Why is my suggestion for a retracted or unfairly suppressed a bad idea?

You didn't attack my suggestion, just me personally. I'm detecting a pattern.

If you don't want downvotes, stop acting like an asshole drama queen.

Fuck off @Vindicator and get your Mods' moderation standards straight. Stop defending their mistakes.

I had to defend my post against two illegitimate moderator flairs. Both were removed without comment (thieves in the night)

Even after the flairs are removed, I continue to have a MODERATOR (@CRENSCH) claiming in comments that my post

runs afoul of the rules.

@Crensch is the drama Queen, apparently you are his bitch.

NOMOCHOMO ago

@shewhomustbeobeyed if they ban me, I'll resurface on cdan with a new name. You will know what it is

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

which occurred the same week we exposed the most nefarious, speech-suppressing user we've ever had on this board.

I don't remember the mods exposing the disinformation THOT for all her doxxing and malicious behavior when you joined Voat. Do you?

I must have missed that part.

fake and gay

Oh my fukin kek, The cognitive dissonance oozing off of @Vindicator is nauseating. Truly epic.

NOMOCHOMO ago

"drama queen"

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Asking for your submission to be stickied before more info is available is a bit faggy, imo.

I don't want all this pissing and moaning to be on top of the sub. There is already a submission stickied with enough faggotry in it to last a lifetime and a half.

If this develops into something more, i wish you would do a whole new submission on it.

 

I have a favor to ask.

Would you please put your edits at the bottom of your submissions? With them at the top it is hard for me to tell what section is what.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Asking for your submission to be stickied before more info is available is a bit faggy, imo.

I never asked for mine to be flaired. I proposed a future rule change so pizzagate submitters could hold Mods accountable.

to encourage the highest moderation standards, what if Mods had to sticky any posts that are deemed unfairly flagged/removed and flair them Supressed or Retraction

Moderator Accountability/Consistent Rule Application? -> SHUT IT DOWN + (((Ad Hominem)))

Would you please put your edits at the bottom of your submissions? With them at the top it is hard for me to tell what section is what.

Yes. While I won't change this one, I will for future posts. plz remind me if I ever forget.

If this develops into something more, i wish you would do a whole new submission on it.

I assume you're talking about the actual submission content and not the resulting drama?

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

I proposed a future rule change so pizzagate submitters could hold Mods accountable.

Make me a list of the rules you'd like to change/add/delete/fiddlewith, will you.

I assume you're talking about the actual submission content and not the resulting drama?

Yes I am!!!

While I won't change this one, I will for future posts.

Thank you, obviously if the edit is important it should be at the top, but it would make it easier for me if they were listed in order, at the bottom.