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70times7 ago

Assuming that guy defended the pope?

You defend him too (though you dont realize it) by keeping sunday instead of the sabbath, doing christmas and easter, believing a trinity and all that other catholic jazz.

WHAMMO63 ago

Nope, that's a Jewish thing. Christians celebrate Sunday, because that is the day that Jesus Christ arose from the dead.

70times7 ago

Scripture tells us on the 7th day of creation (1000+ years before there was a jew) God hallowed the 7th day

Has absolutely 0 to do with jews.

It is Gods sabbath day. Not the jews.

You have been deceived.

WHAMMO63 ago

All salvation is given through His Son Jesus, hence the change.

Col 2:16 (KJV)

70times7 ago

Jesus did not save Adam and Eve? Noah? Abraham?

You think their works or good deeds saved them?

The sabbath day was instituted before sin infected this world.

It has nothing to do with sin.

Again, you have been deceived on this matter.

The roman church is the sole reason you keep sunday. The roman church is antichrist.

WHAMMO63 ago

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20 KJV)

70times7 ago

Indeed.

Keeping Gods law is a fruit of being saved. Not what does save.

Grace and grace alone saves.

Does not Jesus warn those who continue to break Gods law will be cast out? Even if they call on His name.

Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity is sin.

Sin, is transgression of Gods Law.

1st John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Putting away iniquity is a fruit of being saved. Evidence you are saved.

Not what saves.

WHAMMO63 ago

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14 KJV)

70times7 ago

Which of Gods 10 laws that He wrote in stone, which show us what sin is, do you specifically believe do not apply to you?

Surely you do not believe you can murder. Or steal.

Specifically, which of Gods 10 do not apply to you?

WHAMMO63 ago

None of them. We are no longer under the Law, but under grace. Jesus fulfilled the Law for us. It isn't difficult to grasp.

70times7 ago

Apparently it is.

When you drive the speed limit, you are not fulfilling the law. You are obeying it.

God wrote a set of 10 laws on stone.

Later, He had Moses write a set of prophetic cermonial laws that spoke of Christ and His mission of redemption.

One of these laws was written on stone. The other, on scrolls.

One of these laws was placed "in" the ark of the covenant. One of them placed on the side of it.

One of them was written by Gods own hand. The other, by Moses.

Christ fulfilled the ceremonial prophetic law (feast days, temple ceremonies etc) which Moses was instructed to write.

Christ obeyed the other.

Gods Law is in full effect this very day. And is the standard you will be judged by.

Jesus says you are in danger of hell when you teach others Gods law is done away with.

Matthew 5:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

Woe to you.

1st John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

John says sin is the transgression of Gods law. You say the law is done away with.

You say (per scripture then) that sin is done away with. Therefore you claim we have no need of a savior as we have no sin.

Woe to you.

WHAMMO63 ago

No, I said we are not under the Law, but under grace. Here, just ask Paul:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 6:14-15 (KJV)

70times7 ago

Not under the curse of the law. Christ paid the penalty.

Does not mean the law is not binding.

Were not Adam and Eve saved by grace and not the law? Wasnt Noah saved by grace? Job? Abraham? Issac? Jacob?

Were not each and every one of them saved by grace? And not the works of the law?

This whole "we are now under grace not law" out of context nonsense is so incredibly dangerous.

The human race has ALWAYS been under grace. Why?

Because the human race has always been under the requirements of Gods standard. His Law.

Grace and Law are a two way street. If there is no law, there is no need for grace.

If there is no law, there is no sin. Sin is the transgression of the law!

WHAMMO63 ago

I didn't say the Law was dead, I said we are no longer under the Law. To be under the Law is to be guilty of it all. Only unbelievers are under the Law and will be judged accordingly.

70times7 ago

Did not Jesus say those who do not keep the law He will reject?

Mathew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity is sin. Sin is transgression of the Law.

Plain as day He is saying, if you do not keep the Law, I will cast you out.

We are saved by grace and grace alone. But what is the fruit of being saved by grace?

Righteousness. What is righteousness?

Literally it means "right doing".

What is right doing?

The keeping of the Law!

Those who have Christ will still be found guilty of transgression. Yet Christs life will pay our penalty.

Those without Christ will pay with their lives.

Again, its under the "penalty" of the law. (wages of sin...)

The "penalty" is removed for those who repent and turn to right doing.

The Law is not removed.

WHAMMO63 ago

Yes, Christ will reject those who He never knew, because they were never under His grace.

70times7 ago

Notice before that warning from Him, He is speaking of "christians" He will reject.

Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

He is talking to christians! Not atheists. Or muslims. Or anyone else.

Christians who claim His name, yet do not keep the works of the Law.

The example He gives can not be any blunter.

He is warning Christians He will them cast out!

Gods 10 commandments are HIS standard of right doing (righteousness).

If we refuse to work these standards, Christs promised what He would do.

WHAMMO63 ago

No, Christians in name only. Those that He never knew were never 'saved' to begin with.

When a follower of Jesus Christ receives the Holy Spirit, the Law is written in our hearts, not on stone tablets or in ink.

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

2 Corinthians 3:3 (KJV)

70times7 ago

Yes. The law of love will be written in our minds.

Love God (commandments 1 - 4)

Love mankind (commandments 5 - 10)

Love is the fulfillment of the Law.

The Law stands. It was not abolished, or put aside or any other words people like to use.

We have been freed from the penalty of the Law.

But as the Law is simply a reflection of Gods character, it has in no wise (as the scriptures say) passed away.

In fact Jesus spoke of this also as you know..

Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

He is of course speaking of the moral Law. Not the prophetic ceremonial that Paul often speaks of (that people are deceived into combining with the 10) being fulfilled by Christ.

No doubt you recall the parable of the woman who had 10 coins. And she lost one. But when it was discovered, she shouted for joy and told everyone she could that she found the missing 1 of 10.

The parable is applicable specifically in our time.

You need to watch something please...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbdtcm6jzHA

WHAMMO63 ago

The Law, period, is written in our hearts. And Matthew 5:18 does not contradict what Paul said. We are dead to the Law. We are not under the Law but under grace, why would you contradict Paul?

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 3:19 (KJV)

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:14 (KJV)

Only one person could keep the Law perfectly, that was Jesus Christ. He died in our place. If a person is not under grace, they are under the Law. That is where Matt 5:18 comes in. The Law is not dead, but we are dead to the Law. The Law exists solely to convict and condemn the unbeliever to Hell. Jesus died for the sins of ALL THE WORLD. If they did not avail themselves to His grace they have no excuse. He paid the price for the unbeliever's sins, but it went unredeemed.

70times7 ago

I dont in anyway contradict Paul.

I put what he was speaking into its context.

Jews were coming into groups Paul was correcting placing them back under the ceremonial law (which its only purpose was to speak of the coming Savior).

Paul is literally rebuking jews trying to keep men under the yolk of the prophetic ceremonial law.

And here we are. 2000 years later.

With you doing exactly what he was warning about.

Paul is warning people about the jews (in this context, "you") treating the ceremonial law as if it was Gods Moral Law.

When Paul speaks of "days" or "meats" he is speaking of literal jews coming into the camps bringing people back into the ceremonial prophetic law of Moses.

He is never, not even once speaking of Gods Moral Law which He wrote HIMSELF in stone.

Woe to you.

Past that, shame on you.

You know who you are speaking for.

Woe to you.

WHAMMO63 ago

HS convicts us of sin, not the Law.