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This is not a place where users are going to get bullied into removing submissions.
I didn't bully him. Interesting that you frame it that way. Especially since you refer to the right of free speech.
his post is staying up because it breaks no sub verse rules
I didn't say the post breaks any of the subverse rules. Otherwise I would have said so, and asked the mods to flair accordingly.
I said it has no new info.
I also didn't say he should take it down. I asked him whether he checked the sub prior to posting (he admitted he didn't) and whether he wanted to forum slide.
If he has feefees, so be it.
Almost as if you admit that you're targeting him in some way.
Twist my intentions much?
I wrote the same comment to you I wrote to him. And unlike him, I respect you, so there's that.
But good to know that you seem to see him as a kind of perpetual victim. Judging from his comment
Seeing as how you're going to just assume the worst though, no matter what I say, I'll delete the thread now so that people can't brigade me.
Edit: There, pat yourself on the back, you got valid information taken down because #argoscivmanbad.
he at least seems to identify as one.
this is a free speech site
Indeed it is. This is why I said what I wanted to say, and this is why I will continue to do so in the future.
I might even ask @crensch or @vindicator to sticky it for a day, just to make a point.
That's a great idea. Let's start to sticky submissions not because of their value, but because the boyz who posted them got feefees.
They need false flags like this in order to repeat that Pizzagate is fake and Alefantis isn't a pedophile connected to powerful elites. Comet Ping Pong and Alefantis are indeed their soft spot.
The shooting, this, the recentish RS article; all to make this seem completely unreal. Indeed it is their weak link, their soft pink underbelly they left exposed.
Very interesting that the first time he jumped the fence at the Washington Monument, was arrested, then released.
He then goes back the next day to do it again.
Pretty obvious what's happening here IMO.
Whoever is handling him directed him to get arrested to he'd be caught for starting the fire.
Since the police didn't put 2 and 2 together the first time they arrested him, he just went and did it again.
*
"Take one for the team, kid, and we'll make you a star"...*
Or
*
"We're gonna hurt your family unless you do this"...*
@argosciv posted this submission, albeit with another headline, but deleted it after I asked him whether he intended to forum slide.
He admitted he didn't read the first previous post I linked above, with the lengthy discussion thread.
The post hasn't any new info, we've seen all this in the previous posts, and in the comments section, and in the links posted there.
So same question to you, Kev, with all due respect: Why do you post this submission, when it doesn't contain any new info, compared to the posts we had yesterday?
And yes, the downvoat is by me.
And why exactly can't @argosciv not stand up for himself?
I can't remember which article I read it in but it was right after it happened. The article stated that according to an employee the man bought 3 beers on a credit card, left a nice tip and also left behind a diaper and a baby bottle in the booth. Anyone else see that one? Plus the way he looked straight up at the camera on the way out. It was like he wanted to get caught. And they only find him because he was trying to climb the fence at the Washington monument.
I remember that, yes. The credit card part stood out as they would obviously know who he was, and he himself would know that they would know who he was, by using one to pay for things before setting the curtains on fire. So yeah, I'd reiterate a comment I made yesterday about him being either a hire, mentally ill, or seeking some sort of fame - but probably a combination of the three and used to bring more attention back to this "fake news" story and the damage fake news does. Something like that.
20 years in jail for setting fire to a structure and trying to break in to a public monument? Why don't we just start killing people and stop pretending 10-15-20 years + isn't murder.
They have yet to prove to the public that there was an arsonist or a fire.
The first video pic of the suspect was from the day of the Comet curtain "fire." It was not clear from the security video clip if the moving blob of light behind the jacketed suspect was actually an uncontrolled fire. It did not increase in size, nor was there visible smoke. The person in the video wasn't in a hurry to leave and stared straight into the security camera. No firemen witnessed the alleged fire. It was reportedly put out by CPP employee(s) before their arrival. The supposed burned curtain has not been shown to the public, nor has the security video of employees putting out the fire. Did the sprinkler system go off? Smoke detector? Was the curtain fire retardant? I don't recall seeing any CPP customer cell phone vids/pics of people evacuating. Even after a small fire, there is a strong smoke smell that lingers. They were reopened after a day or so. It would be interesting to see CPP's insurance claim for the alleged fire.
You are arguing something different, you are arguing guilt or innocence. You are not replying to my argument on why 20 years in prison might be an appropriate sentence.
It was not clear from the security video clip if the moving blob of light behind the jacketed suspect was actually an uncontrolled fire. It did not increase in size,
Just looked at the video, looks like a fire to me, it changes shape and seems move like a fire, tongue of flames separate from the main source. What point are you making? it was a controlled fire?
Are you as concerned about death threats to vaccine safety advocates?
Here's the raw threat:
WARNING NSFW!
"Threat Letter Transcript in Full
Below is a full transcript of the threat letter sent to Dr. Suzanne Humphries. Please be advised it contains vulgar language.
I’m gonna f#cking murder you, you stupid f#cking c#nt. I’m just letting you know, just to let you know that when it happens, you were f#cking warned bitch. You’re always puttin your location out there, so it’s real f#cking easy to get to you. I have a nice beautiful Desert Eagle that’s gonna be used on you. So keep thinkin all your health sh#t is gonna help you, cuz guess what, c#nt, it’s not gonna help you live another f#cking day.
I’m gonna step right out from the pedestrians on the street and blast you right in the f#cking chest. Not the head, cuz I want you to squeal, bitch. I’m gonna make you f#cking squeal and shake on the ground, flailing, bleeding out. I’m gonna kill as many of you f#cks as I can before I go down. You’re done bitch, do you understand me?
I’ve thought about how to do it for a while, and I have it pretty much down. I want to pull you off the road and torture you to death, but it’s just too f#cking hard to pull off. Another idea I had is when you’re doin one of your live things, I want to walk right to the door and shoot ya live on camera, so everyone sees you f#cking begging, c#nt, you’re gonna f#cking squeal so hard, cuz I’m gonna hit you in the chest, then the legs bitch, to make ya suffer before I finish you.
I want everyone to see how you go. I f#cking promise you I’m comin bitch. I just gotta decide how I wanna do it. Maybe when you’re giving one of your dumb ass talks, I’ll go sit in the audience towards the back and do it. But it’s not easy to kill all your dumb c#nt friends that way. No, it’s pretty obvious to me that I gotta come to your f#cking autism sh#t center and shoot you right through the f#cking door when you’re on camera. That’s how I’m gonna do it.
I’m gonna kill every single one of you f#ckers. Do you understand me? I’m f#cking comin for ya. So be ready for it. I don’t wanna see any shock on your f#cking face when I’m at the door bitch. I’m [gonna] f#cking shoot right through that door with a shotgun c#nt, I’ll kill every single person in that house and then I’m gonna torture you good bitch. I’m gonna make you bleed til there’s nothing left of you, then finish you.
I just need to get a few things in order before I do it, but I’ve been wanting for a long time, and I’ve finally decided I have to do it, no more f#cking around. I want to make you scream so bad, to taste your blood and watch you scream bitch. I’m gonna kill you and I want you to know that when it happens, you could have done something. And you didn’t. That’s gonna be the best part you see, because I’m tellin you plain and simple. I’m comin now. Let’s see if you’re prepared when I get there for ya, or whether you look like a total deer in the f#cking headlights when I blow your f#cking head off.
See you in hell. "
https://vactruth.com/2018/01/22/vaccine-supporter-threatens-mass-shooting/
Rep. Adam Schiff adds fuel to the fire using VACCINE FEAR PORN to TAKE AWAY OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS:
Schiff falsely characterizes the recent Washington State measles outbreak as an "epidemic."
According to "pennlive":
".....noting the current outbreak, which has sickened at least 56 people in Washington and Oregon, is more alarming than the state’s three previous ones." NOTE The 56 total is for BOTH Washington and Oregon.
CDC's "Morbidity and mortality weekly report, Vol. 16, no. 15 Week ending April 15, 1967" https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/1472
is the measles benchmark MOTHERLOAD. It was published during the FIRST 12 weeks of the BRAND NEW NATIONAL MEASLES VACCINE PROGRAM BEGUN IN 1967. The NCDC is still trying to convince the public to get on board with the program. THEY NEVER USE MEASLES FEAR PORN. Instead, they persuade by COST EFFECTIVENESS AND SAVINGS!
Why? Because parents would LAUGH at them if they tried to pull a Rep. Schiff. They list the BENCHMARK MEASLES STATISTICS.....PRE-VACCINE: Page 8
Deaths per 1 million : 2
Susceptibles (1-12 yrs) (The children not already immune) per 1 million: 50,000
NOTE: Only natural immunity is life-long and can be passed on to nursing infants. Before vaccines, BABIES AND THE ELDERLY WERE PROTECTED. After vaccines, susceptibles are recurring because the vaccine does not give life-long immunity; hence, need for ever increasing boosters. Waning vaccines and boosters MAKE MORE MONEY FOR PHARMA. They leave INFANTS AND OLDER ADULTS MORE VULNERABLE.
Total cases of measles per 1 million: 20,000
Out of 20,000 cases, 19,800 were mild enough to be TREATED AT HOME.
Treated at hospital: 120
Complications : 80
BASED ON THESE OFFICIAL CDC BENCHMARK MEASLES STATISTICS BEFORE MEASLES VACCINE we can conclude that one has MUCH GREATER RISK OF DYING in a CAR CRASH while driving to a DOCTOR'S OFFICE to get a measles vaccine, than DYING FROM MEASLES.
In conclusion, 56 cases of measles is NOT an epidemic. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Statistically, NO DEATHS with that LOW number. Those 56 will now have LIFE-LONG immunity. No need for a measles vaccine. They can be around CANCER PATIENTS!
Are you as concerned about death threats to vaccine safety advocates?
You're moving the goalposts so freaking far, you're pretending we're playing an entire different game. You want to play Whattaboutism followed by a Gish Gallop now?
For the record I'm against death threats of all kinds. Also for the record this is f#cking hilarious
END VIOLENCE STOP VACCINE FEAR PORN NOW!
Also this betrays and incredibly poor understanding of statistics and probability.
BASED ON THESE OFFICIAL CDC BENCHMARK MEASLES STATISTICS BEFORE MEASLES VACCINE we can conclude that one has MUCH GREATER RISK OF DYING in a CAR CRASH while driving to a DOCTOR'S OFFICE to get a measles vaccine, than DYING FROM MEASLES.
Measles deaths per 1 million: 2
U.S. car crash deaths per 1 million: 123
We can't conclude that because the statistics you cite do not back that up. You don't even understand that you are making an apples to oranges comparison in comparing a trip to the doctor's office and all driving done within a year.
You claim Adam Schiff's letter
is based on false information regarding measles mortality rate and date of promised measles eradication.
Vaccine hesitancy – the reluctance or refusal to vaccinate despite the availability of vaccines – threatens to reverse progress made in tackling vaccine-preventable diseases. Vaccination is one of the most cost-effective ways of avoiding disease – it currently prevents 2-3 million deaths a year, and a further 1.5 million could be avoided if global coverage of vaccinations improved.
He says the scientific and medical communities have an overwhelming consensus that vaccines are both effective and safe. The WHO and the CDC seem very pro vaccine
Why did it take so long to reply? Was Dr. Orenstein's or Dr. Stanley "human in form" Plotkin's phone busy?
"The following video is a portion of a Jan. 11, 2018, legal deposition of “acclaimed” vaccinologist Dr. Stanley Plotkin, who is widely considered a godfather of modern vaccine programs. In the video, we hear an astute attorney asking Plotkin revealing questions about vaccination research practices. Plotkin’s answers deliver a series of devastating truth bombs:
Q: Have you ever used orphans to study experimental vaccines?
A: Yes.
Q. Have you ever used the mentally handicap to study experimental vaccines?
A: (Hesitant until he was cited from his own writings, whereby he confirmed.) Yes.
Q: Have you experimented on the children of mothers in prison or jail?
How the hell could they tell if the measles vaccine produced encephalopathy, one of the "feared" rare measles outcomes?
"We can't conclude that because the statistics you cite do not back that up. You don't even understand that you are making an apples to oranges comparison in comparing a trip to the doctor's office and all driving done within a year."
2/million is the TOTAL national measles' death rate for 1 year. 123/million was the TOTAL car crash deaths per year (2017).
1 individual's risk of getting measles compared to 1 individual's car trip to the doctor's office. THE COMPARISON IS CORRECT. With that great of a risk spread, death by car crash will always be the greater risk.
Speaking of vaccine risk:
"The Supreme Court ruled vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe” in 2016 – What has changed since? Nothing."
"Well, contrary to what you’ve read, heard and been told, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) allows individuals to file petitions for compensation, and if you do, you would be one of over 17,000 people who have filed since 1988, and if you win, you would be entitled to a portion of the $3.5 billion already paid out over the life of the program to more than 5,000 people. Did you hear that all vaccines are safe and effective too?
"For the record I'm against death threats of all kinds."
Thanks AWS for showing genuine concern for vaccine safety advocate Dr. Suzanne Humphries, MD. Her book, DISSOLVING ILLUSIONS: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History, has influenced many regarding the ongoing vaccine safety debate. IS THIS WHY SHE WAS THREATENED?
"Vaccine hesitancy – the reluctance or refusal to vaccinate despite the availability of vaccines"
Your add ins are not part of the official definition of a made-up word (propaganda). It does not qualify how safe or effective the vaccines are. If you believe they are 100% safe and 100% effective, then you have chosen to believe a proven lie.
All in all, Rep. Schiff is desperately concerned about citizens who are discussing a vaccine for a disease that has only a 2/ MILLION death rate and which he claims was "effectively eliminated from the United States decades ago" (huh?) and WANTS TO TAKE AWAY THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO DO SO; YET, he has no interest for doing the same for Face Book groups discussing the high car crash death statics (123/ MILLIONS.)
All I can say is, does Dr. Plotkin know that Rep. Schiff perfectly fits his stiff requirements for vaccine safety trial studies volunteers?
Your answers are your worst yet!. You need a pay reduction.
"The trip to the doctor is a single car trip the rate per million is EVERY car trip within a year."
I disagree with your "logic" LOL!
You didn't ask who Dr. Orenstein is? How interesting. Most computer geeks living in New York wouldn't know about him.....unless you live in Brooklyn. Hmmmm.
In fact, why are we only hearing about Washington and Oregon AND NOT NEW YORK?
Why does Israel have 2000 cases of MEASLES? Adam Schiff is Jewish. Why isn't he calling for A BAN ON ISRAELI IMMIGRANTS? This sect DELIBERATELY DOES NOT VACCINATE.
Such logical questions.
I never could figure out why Dr. Orenstein would call an emergency meeting at a METHODIST RETREAT CENTER IN GWINNETT COUNTY (Simpsonwood) after reviewing a 1999 vaccine safety study showing a 7.6 RR for AUTISM when comparing two groups with matching vaccine schedules except for one group receiving the hep B shot at birth (25 micrograms of thimerosal difference). Of course, the transcript of the meeting was read into the Congressional Record. Lucky for us)
So far you made no comment on Plotkin's admission to experimental testing of vaccines on orphans, mentally handicapped, children of mothers in prison or jail, and "children and adults who are human in form but not in social potential". DO YOU APPROVE?
Interestingly, Dr. Stanley Plotkin is the son of Israeli immigrants. WHO KNEW?
OBVIOUSLY YOU APPROVE OF USING UNLICENSED EXPERIMENTAL VACCINES ON ORPHANS, MENTALLY HANDICAPPED, CHILDREN OF MOTHERS IN PRISON, AND "CHILDREN AND ADULTS WHO ARE HUMAN IN FORM BUT NOT IN SOCIAL POTENTIAL."
Does the Talmud approve of such things....if they are "goy"?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
wiki - https://archive.is/U8JeP
vactruth - https://archive.is/Odnt4
schiffhouse - https://archive.is/XBkAj
slate - https://archive.fo/5law9
cdcstacks - https://archive.is/wCB5U and cdc - https://archive.is/Kei4L
insurancejournal - https://archive.is/JrhiA
who - https://archive.is/h0StT
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think- ago
Thanks.
think- ago
Nothing. If you and argosciv were women, I would have written 'girlz'.
No. I said what I wanted to say.
Have a nice weekend.
think- ago
I didn't bully him. Interesting that you frame it that way. Especially since you refer to the right of free speech.
I didn't say the post breaks any of the subverse rules. Otherwise I would have said so, and asked the mods to flair accordingly.
I said it has no new info.
I also didn't say he should take it down. I asked him whether he checked the sub prior to posting (he admitted he didn't) and whether he wanted to forum slide.
If he has feefees, so be it.
Twist my intentions much?
I wrote the same comment to you I wrote to him. And unlike him, I respect you, so there's that.
But good to know that you seem to see him as a kind of perpetual victim. Judging from his comment
he at least seems to identify as one.
Indeed it is. This is why I said what I wanted to say, and this is why I will continue to do so in the future.
That's a great idea. Let's start to sticky submissions not because of their value, but because the boyz who posted them got feefees.
Heisenberg123 ago
They need false flags like this in order to repeat that Pizzagate is fake and Alefantis isn't a pedophile connected to powerful elites. Comet Ping Pong and Alefantis are indeed their soft spot.
Darksideofthemoon87 ago
The shooting, this, the recentish RS article; all to make this seem completely unreal. Indeed it is their weak link, their soft pink underbelly they left exposed.
noworldorder ago
Very interesting that the first time he jumped the fence at the Washington Monument, was arrested, then released.
He then goes back the next day to do it again.
Pretty obvious what's happening here IMO.
Whoever is handling him directed him to get arrested to he'd be caught for starting the fire.
Since the police didn't put 2 and 2 together the first time they arrested him, he just went and did it again. * "Take one for the team, kid, and we'll make you a star"...*
Or * "We're gonna hurt your family unless you do this"...*
Something like that would be my guess.
Silex ago
Actor... Like in crisis actor, perhaps? Would be typical. Sigh.
think- ago
We have already discussed this yesterday:
CPP "Arsonist" has an IMDb page
Was "California man" Ryan Jaselkis homeless?
@argosciv posted this submission, albeit with another headline, but deleted it after I asked him whether he intended to forum slide.
He admitted he didn't read the first previous post I linked above, with the lengthy discussion thread.
The post hasn't any new info, we've seen all this in the previous posts, and in the comments section, and in the links posted there.
So same question to you, Kev, with all due respect: Why do you post this submission, when it doesn't contain any new info, compared to the posts we had yesterday?
And yes, the downvoat is by me.
And why exactly can't @argosciv not stand up for himself?
auralsects ago
Oh shit, retard fight.
@shewhomustbeobeyed lets watch
SandHog ago
I can't remember which article I read it in but it was right after it happened. The article stated that according to an employee the man bought 3 beers on a credit card, left a nice tip and also left behind a diaper and a baby bottle in the booth. Anyone else see that one? Plus the way he looked straight up at the camera on the way out. It was like he wanted to get caught. And they only find him because he was trying to climb the fence at the Washington monument.
Give me a fucking break.
Otto- ago
And honestly? He's a model/actor, to top it all off.
noworldorder ago
FUCKING TWICE!
Yuke ago
I remember that, yes. The credit card part stood out as they would obviously know who he was, and he himself would know that they would know who he was, by using one to pay for things before setting the curtains on fire. So yeah, I'd reiterate a comment I made yesterday about him being either a hire, mentally ill, or seeking some sort of fame - but probably a combination of the three and used to bring more attention back to this "fake news" story and the damage fake news does. Something like that.
Oh_Well_ian ago
You left out 'controlled ( brainwashed ) asset'
Fateswebb ago
Always actors
SanFranTrailerPark ago
20 years in jail for setting fire to a structure and trying to break in to a public monument? Why don't we just start killing people and stop pretending 10-15-20 years + isn't murder.
Are_we__sure ago
Setting fire to a building with people in it is pretty heinous
septimasexta ago
They have yet to prove to the public that there was an arsonist or a fire.
The first video pic of the suspect was from the day of the Comet curtain "fire." It was not clear from the security video clip if the moving blob of light behind the jacketed suspect was actually an uncontrolled fire. It did not increase in size, nor was there visible smoke. The person in the video wasn't in a hurry to leave and stared straight into the security camera. No firemen witnessed the alleged fire. It was reportedly put out by CPP employee(s) before their arrival. The supposed burned curtain has not been shown to the public, nor has the security video of employees putting out the fire. Did the sprinkler system go off? Smoke detector? Was the curtain fire retardant? I don't recall seeing any CPP customer cell phone vids/pics of people evacuating. Even after a small fire, there is a strong smoke smell that lingers. They were reopened after a day or so. It would be interesting to see CPP's insurance claim for the alleged fire.
Are_we_sure ago
You are arguing something different, you are arguing guilt or innocence. You are not replying to my argument on why 20 years in prison might be an appropriate sentence.
I remember this fire that killed 87 people in NYC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
Just looked at the video, looks like a fire to me, it changes shape and seems move like a fire, tongue of flames separate from the main source. What point are you making? it was a controlled fire?
septimasexta ago
Are you as concerned about death threats to vaccine safety advocates?
Here's the raw threat:
WARNING NSFW! "Threat Letter Transcript in Full Below is a full transcript of the threat letter sent to Dr. Suzanne Humphries. Please be advised it contains vulgar language.
I’m gonna f#cking murder you, you stupid f#cking c#nt. I’m just letting you know, just to let you know that when it happens, you were f#cking warned bitch. You’re always puttin your location out there, so it’s real f#cking easy to get to you. I have a nice beautiful Desert Eagle that’s gonna be used on you. So keep thinkin all your health sh#t is gonna help you, cuz guess what, c#nt, it’s not gonna help you live another f#cking day. I’m gonna step right out from the pedestrians on the street and blast you right in the f#cking chest. Not the head, cuz I want you to squeal, bitch. I’m gonna make you f#cking squeal and shake on the ground, flailing, bleeding out. I’m gonna kill as many of you f#cks as I can before I go down. You’re done bitch, do you understand me? I’ve thought about how to do it for a while, and I have it pretty much down. I want to pull you off the road and torture you to death, but it’s just too f#cking hard to pull off. Another idea I had is when you’re doin one of your live things, I want to walk right to the door and shoot ya live on camera, so everyone sees you f#cking begging, c#nt, you’re gonna f#cking squeal so hard, cuz I’m gonna hit you in the chest, then the legs bitch, to make ya suffer before I finish you. I want everyone to see how you go. I f#cking promise you I’m comin bitch. I just gotta decide how I wanna do it. Maybe when you’re giving one of your dumb ass talks, I’ll go sit in the audience towards the back and do it. But it’s not easy to kill all your dumb c#nt friends that way. No, it’s pretty obvious to me that I gotta come to your f#cking autism sh#t center and shoot you right through the f#cking door when you’re on camera. That’s how I’m gonna do it. I’m gonna kill every single one of you f#ckers. Do you understand me? I’m f#cking comin for ya. So be ready for it. I don’t wanna see any shock on your f#cking face when I’m at the door bitch. I’m [gonna] f#cking shoot right through that door with a shotgun c#nt, I’ll kill every single person in that house and then I’m gonna torture you good bitch. I’m gonna make you bleed til there’s nothing left of you, then finish you. I just need to get a few things in order before I do it, but I’ve been wanting for a long time, and I’ve finally decided I have to do it, no more f#cking around. I want to make you scream so bad, to taste your blood and watch you scream bitch. I’m gonna kill you and I want you to know that when it happens, you could have done something. And you didn’t. That’s gonna be the best part you see, because I’m tellin you plain and simple. I’m comin now. Let’s see if you’re prepared when I get there for ya, or whether you look like a total deer in the f#cking headlights when I blow your f#cking head off. See you in hell. " https://vactruth.com/2018/01/22/vaccine-supporter-threatens-mass-shooting/
Rep. Adam Schiff adds fuel to the fire using VACCINE FEAR PORN to TAKE AWAY OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS:
LETTER TO MARK ZUCKERBERG, CEO FACE BOOK https://schiff.house.gov/imo/media/doc/Vaccine%20Letter_Zuckerberg.pdf
This letter is based on false information regarding measles mortality rate and date of promised measles eradication.
"The CDC’s official definition of an epidemic is: “The occurrence of more cases of disease than expected in a given area or among a specific group of people over a particular period of time.” " https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/12/outbreaks-vs-epidemics.html
Schiff falsely characterizes the recent Washington State measles outbreak as an "epidemic."
According to "pennlive": ".....noting the current outbreak, which has sickened at least 56 people in Washington and Oregon, is more alarming than the state’s three previous ones." NOTE The 56 total is for BOTH Washington and Oregon. CDC's "Morbidity and mortality weekly report, Vol. 16, no. 15 Week ending April 15, 1967" https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/1472 is the measles benchmark MOTHERLOAD. It was published during the FIRST 12 weeks of the BRAND NEW NATIONAL MEASLES VACCINE PROGRAM BEGUN IN 1967. The NCDC is still trying to convince the public to get on board with the program. THEY NEVER USE MEASLES FEAR PORN. Instead, they persuade by COST EFFECTIVENESS AND SAVINGS!
Why? Because parents would LAUGH at them if they tried to pull a Rep. Schiff. They list the BENCHMARK MEASLES STATISTICS.....PRE-VACCINE: Page 8
Deaths per 1 million : 2
Susceptibles (1-12 yrs) (The children not already immune) per 1 million: 50,000
NOTE: Only natural immunity is life-long and can be passed on to nursing infants. Before vaccines, BABIES AND THE ELDERLY WERE PROTECTED. After vaccines, susceptibles are recurring because the vaccine does not give life-long immunity; hence, need for ever increasing boosters. Waning vaccines and boosters MAKE MORE MONEY FOR PHARMA. They leave INFANTS AND OLDER ADULTS MORE VULNERABLE.
Total cases of measles per 1 million: 20,000
Out of 20,000 cases, 19,800 were mild enough to be TREATED AT HOME.
Treated at hospital: 120
Complications : 80
BASED ON THESE OFFICIAL CDC BENCHMARK MEASLES STATISTICS BEFORE MEASLES VACCINE we can conclude that one has MUCH GREATER RISK OF DYING in a CAR CRASH while driving to a DOCTOR'S OFFICE to get a measles vaccine, than DYING FROM MEASLES.
Measles deaths per 1 million: 2
U.S. car crash deaths per 1 million: 123
"According to the National Safety Council, the estimated annual population death rate is 12.28 deaths per 100,000 population" (2017) https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/02/16/480956.htm
In conclusion, 56 cases of measles is NOT an epidemic. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Statistically, NO DEATHS with that LOW number. Those 56 will now have LIFE-LONG immunity. No need for a measles vaccine. They can be around CANCER PATIENTS!
END VIOLENCE STOP VACCINE FEAR PORN NOW!
Are_we_sure ago
You're moving the goalposts so freaking far, you're pretending we're playing an entire different game. You want to play Whattaboutism followed by a Gish Gallop now?
For the record I'm against death threats of all kinds. Also for the record this is f#cking hilarious
Also this betrays and incredibly poor understanding of statistics and probability.
We can't conclude that because the statistics you cite do not back that up. You don't even understand that you are making an apples to oranges comparison in comparing a trip to the doctor's office and all driving done within a year.
You claim Adam Schiff's letter
But he doesn't mention those things at all. He mentions the World Health Organization and that claim checks out https://www.who.int/emergencies/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019
He says the scientific and medical communities have an overwhelming consensus that vaccines are both effective and safe. The WHO and the CDC seem very pro vaccine
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm
septimasexta ago
Why did it take so long to reply? Was Dr. Orenstein's or Dr. Stanley "human in form" Plotkin's phone busy?
"The following video is a portion of a Jan. 11, 2018, legal deposition of “acclaimed” vaccinologist Dr. Stanley Plotkin, who is widely considered a godfather of modern vaccine programs. In the video, we hear an astute attorney asking Plotkin revealing questions about vaccination research practices. Plotkin’s answers deliver a series of devastating truth bombs:
Q: Have you ever used orphans to study experimental vaccines?
A: Yes.
Q. Have you ever used the mentally handicap to study experimental vaccines?
A: (Hesitant until he was cited from his own writings, whereby he confirmed.) Yes.
Q: Have you experimented on the children of mothers in prison or jail?
A: Yes.
Then comes the doozy at minute 00:01:20 in which Dr. Plotkin acknowledges that he expressed a preference for experimenting “on children and adults who are human in form but not in social potential.”" https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/11/godfather-of-vaccines-freely-admits-to-unethical-skulduggery-during-legal-deposition/
How the hell could they tell if the measles vaccine produced encephalopathy, one of the "feared" rare measles outcomes?
"We can't conclude that because the statistics you cite do not back that up. You don't even understand that you are making an apples to oranges comparison in comparing a trip to the doctor's office and all driving done within a year."
2/million is the TOTAL national measles' death rate for 1 year. 123/million was the TOTAL car crash deaths per year (2017). 1 individual's risk of getting measles compared to 1 individual's car trip to the doctor's office. THE COMPARISON IS CORRECT. With that great of a risk spread, death by car crash will always be the greater risk.
Speaking of vaccine risk:
"The Supreme Court ruled vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe” in 2016 – What has changed since? Nothing."
"Well, contrary to what you’ve read, heard and been told, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) allows individuals to file petitions for compensation, and if you do, you would be one of over 17,000 people who have filed since 1988, and if you win, you would be entitled to a portion of the $3.5 billion already paid out over the life of the program to more than 5,000 people. Did you hear that all vaccines are safe and effective too?
How can something be “unavoidably safe” if people are injured, maimed and killed by it around the world every day?" https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-07-02-the-supreme-court-ruled-vaccines-are-unavoidably-unsafe.html
"For the record I'm against death threats of all kinds." Thanks AWS for showing genuine concern for vaccine safety advocate Dr. Suzanne Humphries, MD. Her book, DISSOLVING ILLUSIONS: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History, has influenced many regarding the ongoing vaccine safety debate. IS THIS WHY SHE WAS THREATENED?
"Vaccine hesitancy – the reluctance or refusal to vaccinate despite the availability of vaccines"
Your add ins are not part of the official definition of a made-up word (propaganda). It does not qualify how safe or effective the vaccines are. If you believe they are 100% safe and 100% effective, then you have chosen to believe a proven lie.
All in all, Rep. Schiff is desperately concerned about citizens who are discussing a vaccine for a disease that has only a 2/ MILLION death rate and which he claims was "effectively eliminated from the United States decades ago" (huh?) and WANTS TO TAKE AWAY THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO DO SO; YET, he has no interest for doing the same for Face Book groups discussing the high car crash death statics (123/ MILLIONS.)
All I can say is, does Dr. Plotkin know that Rep. Schiff perfectly fits his stiff requirements for vaccine safety trial studies volunteers?
Are_we_sure ago
You're a suspicious mother, aren't you.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
No it is not. The trip to the doctor is a single car trip the rate per million is EVERY car trip within a year.
septimasexta ago
Your answers are your worst yet!. You need a pay reduction.
"The trip to the doctor is a single car trip the rate per million is EVERY car trip within a year." I disagree with your "logic" LOL!
You didn't ask who Dr. Orenstein is? How interesting. Most computer geeks living in New York wouldn't know about him.....unless you live in Brooklyn. Hmmmm.
"Measles Is Hitting Ultra-Orthodox Communities. Why Aren’t They Vaccinating?" January 11, 2019 Read more: https://forward.com/news/national/417390/measles-is-hitting-ultra-orthodox-communities-why-arent-they-vaccinating/
In fact, why are we only hearing about Washington and Oregon AND NOT NEW YORK? Why does Israel have 2000 cases of MEASLES? Adam Schiff is Jewish. Why isn't he calling for A BAN ON ISRAELI IMMIGRANTS? This sect DELIBERATELY DOES NOT VACCINATE. Such logical questions.
I never could figure out why Dr. Orenstein would call an emergency meeting at a METHODIST RETREAT CENTER IN GWINNETT COUNTY (Simpsonwood) after reviewing a 1999 vaccine safety study showing a 7.6 RR for AUTISM when comparing two groups with matching vaccine schedules except for one group receiving the hep B shot at birth (25 micrograms of thimerosal difference). Of course, the transcript of the meeting was read into the Congressional Record. Lucky for us)
So far you made no comment on Plotkin's admission to experimental testing of vaccines on orphans, mentally handicapped, children of mothers in prison or jail, and "children and adults who are human in form but not in social potential". DO YOU APPROVE?
Interestingly, Dr. Stanley Plotkin is the son of Israeli immigrants. WHO KNEW?
Are_we_sure ago
I said I didn't know what you are talking about. I certainly didn't say I cared.
septimasexta ago
OBVIOUSLY YOU APPROVE OF USING UNLICENSED EXPERIMENTAL VACCINES ON ORPHANS, MENTALLY HANDICAPPED, CHILDREN OF MOTHERS IN PRISON, AND "CHILDREN AND ADULTS WHO ARE HUMAN IN FORM BUT NOT IN SOCIAL POTENTIAL." Does the Talmud approve of such things....if they are "goy"?
septimasexta ago
Good ones, evidently. Your comment was just "out of the blue"? LOL!
MrShekelstein ago
22 year old actor? mk ultra victim id guess.
Vindicator ago
Hey, thanks for posting, kev :-)