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sore_ass_losers ago

Wow, this is a whole new level of accusations. Brazilians are calling him Joao do Capeta, John of the Devil.

I used to be intrigued by this guy, have a book about him even. I recall he'd have a hall full of people dressed in white meditating while he 'operated', he supposedly channeled their energy somehow.

Christian goats: I once read in a book by a hands-on healer who claimed it was all good, that Satan can't heal. Thought she said this was in Corinthians, but couldn't find it later on. Is this so?

think- ago

Christian goats: I once read in a book by a hands-on healer who claimed her work was all good, that Satan can't heal. Thought she said this was in Corinthians, but couldn't find it later on. Is this so?

Vin, do you maybe know what this is referring to?

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Vindicator ago

Here's what Jesus said:

Jesus and Beelzebul (Matthew 12)

22 Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23 All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

...33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36

sore_ass_losers ago

There's also this:

Matthew 7:22-23, “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Vindicator ago

Good point! Somewhere there is also a warning to test everything, even if it comes from an angel, or something along those lines somewhere in the NT, but I can't recall exactly where it's found.

dr4n51k ago

Perhaps 1 John 3:1-3.


1 John 4:1-3 Amplified Bible (AMP)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit [speaking through a self-proclaimed prophet]; instead test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets and teachers have gone out into the world. By this you know and recognize the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges and confesses [the fact] that Jesus Christ has [actually] come in the flesh [as a man] is from God [God is its source]; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus [acknowledging that He has come in the flesh, but would deny any of the Son’s true nature] is not of God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is now already in the world."

Also, from one of Paul's letters:

Galatians 1:6-8 Amplified Bible (AMP)

"I am astonished and extremely irritated that you are so quickly shifting your allegiance and deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different [even contrary] gospel; which is really not another [gospel]; but there are [obviously] some [people masquerading as teachers] who are disturbing and confusing you [with a misleading, counterfeit teaching] and want to distort the gospel of Christ [twisting it into something which it absolutely is not]. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we [originally] preached to you, let him be condemned to destruction!

Tullibee ago

1 John 4:1-3 Amplified Bible (AMP)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit [speaking through a self-proclaimed prophet]; instead test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets and teachers have gone out into the world. By this you know and recognize the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges and confesses [the fact] that Jesus Christ has [actually] come in the flesh [as a man] is from God [God is its source]; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus [acknowledging that He has come in the flesh, but would deny any of the Son’s true nature] is not of God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is now already in the world."

James 2:19 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

"You believe that God is one; you do well. So do the demons believe and shudder [in terror and horror such as make a man’s hair stand on end and contract the surface of his skin]!

Indeed, mere intellectual assent is not saving faith.
https://youtu.be/hmhN5X4dxYM

Vindicator ago

Yes! That is exactly the passage I was thinking of. Thanks!

sore_ass_losers ago

Thank you!

I was musing about this in this context, since de Faria did actually help a lot of people. With the first wave of allegations you might call him a really bad sinner, now he appears to be pure evil. Who cooks up schemes such as alleged?

I recall something else about how he operated: He claimed to be channeling spirits of famous, long-dead physicians.

@think-

think- ago

With the first wave of allegations you might call him a really bad sinner, now he appears to be pure evil.

I don't know - I would say that someone who has raped hundreds of women is already 'pure evil'.

He also seems to have had other schemes in order to make money - illegal mining of precious and semi-precious stones, and funeral fraud (people from other countries who died on his premises where made to sign contracts before they died, and they were buried at higher prices than those usually charged).

The healings some people experienced when they consulted him might have been partly due to the allgedly peaceful atmosphere at his place (for those who were not assaulted :-( ), and a placebo effect.

But many people died when they were back home, or their state of health declined.

sore_ass_losers ago

Yeah, not to minimize what he did, or to borrow Whoopi Goldberg's "it's not rape rape", but the first allegations were he used his authority to persuade vulnerable women that having sex with him would be healing. With underage victims, including his own daughter, forcible rape, and 600 allegations that's pure evil. Sex slavery, baby trafficking, and murder I'd even call demonic.

think- ago

but the first allegations were he used his authority to persuade vulnerable women that having sex with him would be healing.

IIRC, already the first allegations said that he actually raped the victims.

sore_ass_losers ago

You're correct, there was talk of nonconsensual acts from the beginning, I got it wrong, just reread some original reports.

think- ago

K!

think- ago

Thank you, Vin. I knew you would know. ;-)

@sore_ass_losers, please see @Vindicator's response to your question above.