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Vindicator ago

"Spinning off from the special counsel’s Russia probe"

Beautiful. Well played, Orange Man!

Are_we_sure ago

You're kidding right. It's specifically spinning off from the part of the special counsel's investigation of Paul Manafort and his shady lobbying.

I'll repeat it here

We also need a source for this claim

Looks like Trump is going to keep his most important campaign promise after all.

Because when did Trump promise to put Tony Podesta in jail for the shady business he did with Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort?

When did this happen? Anyone have a source for this?

Vindicator ago

Interesting this triggered you, AWS. :-) Are you disputing that Trump promised to Drain the Swamp, or that Tony Podesta is part of the Swamp?

Are_we__sure ago

OMG. Triggered? You must be over the target, right? I mean your confirmation bias must be off the charts.

Are you disputing that Trump promised to Drain the Swamp, or that Tony Podesta is part of the Swamp?

First of all, the US Attorney looking at Podesta has nothing to do with Trump.

Secondly, I don't believe Trump actually cares anything at all about Draining the Swamp. I will grant you that if you felt he was sincere, you might see this as a connection, but again, this case has nothing to do with Trump. This case arises from an investigation Trump calls a witch hunt and has tried to shut down. This came out of an investigation into his own corrupt campaign manager, Paul Manafort, the guy who created the entire scheme, the Podesta Group and Mercury Public Affairs was involved in. The Podesta Group and Mercury Public Affairs were hired by a think tank in Belgium, but it was a fake think tank set up by Paul Manafort to push the interest of his clients, Russian Oligarchs and the ruling party of Ukraine. TPG and MPA getting indicted and facing charges will depend on if they knew the think tank was fake and they were actually working for Trump's corrupt future campaign manager, Paul Manafort. If they knew, they are guilty.

I have not heard Trump say how swampy and terrible his corrupt campaign manager is. In fact, after a jury convicted him of 8 counts of tax fraud and bank fraud. The president said it was "too bad" and "Paul Manafort is a good man" and that he felt "very sad."

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah, it’s too bad. I feel badly for both. I must tell you that Paul Manafort is a good man. He was with Ronald Reagan. He was with a lot of different people over the years. And I feel very sad about that.

And he went on to attack the prosecutor and the investigation that uncovered the crimes of his corrupt campaign manager.

this is a witch hunt, and it’s a disgrace. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/transcript-president-donald-trump-conviction-paul-manafort-air-force-one/

Now Trump worked with this corrupt campaign manager since 1980. He knew exactly what he was about. He even lived in Trump Tower. He knew exactly what he was when he hired him. Paul Manafort and his partner Roger Stone who is Trump's friend and closest political advisor throughout his life invented the modern swamp https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/paul-manafort-roger-stone/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b48ca23ac5ea

Manafort had another idea to bounce off his two partners, Charlie Black and Roger Stone. ...They should be lobbyists, too....that one conversation, a chat among three ambitious young Reaganites — Stone was just 28 and Black only 33 — would have a transformative effect on the capital, nudging Washington into a generation-long evolution. Their business would morph into a then-unheard-of hybrid, a bipartisan firm that would help elect politicians — sometimes hedging by playing both sides in the same race — then lobby those same politicians. Radical, disruptive and frequently criticized as ethically unsavory at the time, the mix is de rigueur now.

“I don’t think they invented the swamp,” said John Donaldson, a veteran Washington strategist who was an early employee of the firm. “They invented an innovative way to navigate the swamp.”

So no, I don't think Donald Trump who has worked with and hired Paul Manafort and Roger Stone for almost 4 decades gives a fig about the swamp. And his administration shows he doesn't care whatsoever about ethics.

For one, the fact he hasn't divested from his business which violates the Constitution. The Constitution prohibits POTUS from profiting while in office from foreign or state governments. A federal judge has just allowed subpoenas to go through in a lawsuit against the president.

The following governments have stayed at Trump's properties. Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Bahrain, Azerbaijan, Turkey, China, India, Afghanistan and Qatar. Saudi Arabia cancelled 500 rooms at a different hotel and switched to Trump's to curry favor.

Over 100 executive branch officials and members of Congress have stayed at a Trump property. Political special interest groups have spent over a million dollars with Trump in 2017. Trump spends most every weekend at a Trump property which is addition to publicity, causes the US government to spend money for rooms there for security and support staff. Trump doubled prices at Mar-a-Lago, because now members can get face time with the President. And now three Mar-a-Lago members including the head of Marvel Comics are running the Veterans Adminstration. He also proclaimed it the Winter White House.

Trump converts campaign donations into personal profit by having his campaign use his businesses and assets like his plane. This is why Trump started a 2020 campaign in 2017. I think a million bucks flowed back to the Trump org so far this year. And a campaign using Trump Tower for office space is ripping off its donors.

And his whole administration is a swamp. Scott Pruitt had like a dozen investigations into him before he was let go.

If you just look at taxpayer funded travel, you find all of the following have had scandals.

Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price

HUD Secretary Ben Carson

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt

VA Secretary David Shulkin

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin

Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson

Even their watchdog agencies end up in bizzare scandals. HUD and Interior had a fight about who was lying about who would be the Interior Inspector General.

I could go on and on, but work calls.