Marina Abramovic's niece is named Polly Peterson? And lives in Minnesota? Color me doubtful.
EDIT: actually the posts you link to don't seem to say that at all. Where is this coming from?
This is related to Pizzagate because Peterson is stating that there are no laws that protect obscene materials, which means that Abramovic and all the other elite who peddle and promote their pedo and Satanic ritual smut are able to be charged under federal laws.
The first half of that sentence is true and the second half is not. Obscene material is illegal and not protected by the 1st Ammendment, but there are very broad constitutional protections. I don't know what you consider smut, but the hardcore porn industry is flourishing with legal protections.
I don't know who Peterson is, but she doesn't seem to know obscenity law, one of the judicial tests is "whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value." (reading the linked post she does mention this) Abramovic's work has been shown in musuems the world over. There's a picture of her wearing what pizzagate folk claim is an upside down Satanic Cross. It's actually her wearing Austria's highest medal for the arts. Peterson either doesn't know the case history of obscenity law or she is deceiving people and giving them false hope. Abramovic is not going on trial.
You honestly don't have the first clue about what you are talking about.
We're not talking about Marina's art. We are talking about the obscene tweets being made by celebrities and Elsagate as the root of the discussion here.
Again, if you doubt the messenger, please stick to analyzing the info she provided. Please see my other comments in this thread.
If you disagree with the law info she provided, the burden is on you to show why you disagree with related links as proof. Remember, this is debate site, so back your shit up. Thanks!
Again, if you doubt the messenger, please stick to analyzing the info she provided. Please see my other comments in this thread.
I did both. And when I looked at the links you provided I did not see any claims that Polly Peterson was related to Marina Abramovic. So where are you getting that.
US First Amendment law and obscenity law is a well known subject. When something is well known you don't need to link to it. Here's where I analyzed her argument and back it up.
Obscene material is illegal and not protected by the 1st Amendment, but there are very broad constitutional protections. I don't know what you consider smut, but the hardcore porn industry is flourishing with legal protections.
My point was someone on this board thinking something is disgusting doesn't make it illegal. Lots of folks here would be disgusted by hardcore porn. But hardcore porn is legal. You would have to show that Ambramovic's art is worse than hardcore porn.
I went on to quote the commonly known judicial test for obscenity, and when I read the linked post I saw that she quoted this as well. So are both talking about the same thing, we are disagreeing on what that means
but she doesn't seem to know obscenity law, one of the judicial tests is "whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."
An Abramovic obsenity trial for her peformance art would never even get out of a grand jury, let alone go all the way to conviction. Ambramovic's work does contain artistic value. Full Stop. If there ever was a trial, should could call upon art critics and museum curators from the world over to talk about her work.
If you can't get a conviction on any of the thousands of hardcore porn movies made in 2018, you are not going to get a conviction of Marina Ambramovic because the bar is even higher with her. Here's the list of Artstic Awards she has won in her career.
Awards
Golden Lion, XLVII Venice Biennale,
Niedersächsischer Kunstpreis
New York Dance and Performance Awards
International Association of Art Critics, Best Show in a Commercial Gallery Award,
Austrian Decoration for Science and Art
Honorary Doctorate of Arts, University of Plymouth UK,
Cultural Leadership Award, American Federation of Arts,
Honorary Doctorate of Arts, Instituto Superior de Arte, Cuba,
(In Short the pizzagate community has seriously caricatured what she does and flat out lied in other cases. In the real world, she will never be prosecuted for this. Certainly not under US laws.)
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Are_we__sure ago
Marina Abramovic's niece is named Polly Peterson? And lives in Minnesota? Color me doubtful. EDIT: actually the posts you link to don't seem to say that at all. Where is this coming from?
The first half of that sentence is true and the second half is not. Obscene material is illegal and not protected by the 1st Ammendment, but there are very broad constitutional protections. I don't know what you consider smut, but the hardcore porn industry is flourishing with legal protections.
I don't know who Peterson is, but she doesn't seem to know obscenity law, one of the judicial tests is "whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value." (reading the linked post she does mention this) Abramovic's work has been shown in musuems the world over. There's a picture of her wearing what pizzagate folk claim is an upside down Satanic Cross. It's actually her wearing Austria's highest medal for the arts. Peterson either doesn't know the case history of obscenity law or she is deceiving people and giving them false hope. Abramovic is not going on trial.
PollyPeterson ago
You honestly don't have the first clue about what you are talking about.
We're not talking about Marina's art. We are talking about the obscene tweets being made by celebrities and Elsagate as the root of the discussion here.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Again, if you doubt the messenger, please stick to analyzing the info she provided. Please see my other comments in this thread.
If you disagree with the law info she provided, the burden is on you to show why you disagree with related links as proof. Remember, this is debate site, so back your shit up. Thanks!
Are_we__sure ago
I did both. And when I looked at the links you provided I did not see any claims that Polly Peterson was related to Marina Abramovic. So where are you getting that.
US First Amendment law and obscenity law is a well known subject. When something is well known you don't need to link to it. Here's where I analyzed her argument and back it up.
My point was someone on this board thinking something is disgusting doesn't make it illegal. Lots of folks here would be disgusted by hardcore porn. But hardcore porn is legal. You would have to show that Ambramovic's art is worse than hardcore porn.
I went on to quote the commonly known judicial test for obscenity, and when I read the linked post I saw that she quoted this as well. So are both talking about the same thing, we are disagreeing on what that means
An Abramovic obsenity trial for her peformance art would never even get out of a grand jury, let alone go all the way to conviction. Ambramovic's work does contain artistic value. Full Stop. If there ever was a trial, should could call upon art critics and museum curators from the world over to talk about her work.
If you can't get a conviction on any of the thousands of hardcore porn movies made in 2018, you are not going to get a conviction of Marina Ambramovic because the bar is even higher with her. Here's the list of Artstic Awards she has won in her career.
Awards Golden Lion, XLVII Venice Biennale,
Niedersächsischer Kunstpreis
New York Dance and Performance Awards
International Association of Art Critics, Best Show in a Commercial Gallery Award,
Austrian Decoration for Science and Art
Honorary Doctorate of Arts, University of Plymouth UK,
Cultural Leadership Award, American Federation of Arts,
Honorary Doctorate of Arts, Instituto Superior de Arte, Cuba,
'July 13' Lifetime Achievement Awards, Podgorica, Montenegro,
Berliner Bear
Peabody Award
(In Short the pizzagate community has seriously caricatured what she does and flat out lied in other cases. In the real world, she will never be prosecuted for this. Certainly not under US laws.)