kinda sucks when your assetts are frozen by an exec order against human trafficking eh?
Hi @MolochHunter, as far as I remember, this is mere speculation at this point. I'd like to ask you to please add a link that either proves assets of the Clintons have been frozen by an executive order (IIRC, Trump's EO only applies for assets of foreign citizens, and the Clintons are not named in the annex) or to change your wording, indicating that you are speculating that their assets might have been frozen, maybe in the form of a question.
Thank you. I'll give you the 24 hours Grace flair, so that you'll have some time to edit.
The executive order is not the place to start to understand what the US government is doing with human rights violators. To understand this, you first need to start with the Global Magnitsky Act. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act
There was a Magnitsky law passed in 2012 and one passed in 2016. This just hit the news again because Putin and Trump discussed it at their private meeting.
Sergei Magnitsky was a Russian accountant who, in 2009, was tortured, denied medical attention, and found dead in his Moscow jail cell. Russian authorities had targeted him for his role in exposing a giant tax fraud scheme allegedly involving high-level government officials.
In 2012, the US Congress passed a law in his name that imposed sanctions on a list of Russian officials believed to be responsible for serious human rights violations, freezing any US assets they hold and banning them from entry into the United States.
In an important step for global accountability, Congress built on the original Russia-focused Magnitsky law in 2016 and enacted the Global Magnitsky Act, which allows the executive branch to impose visa bans and targeted sanctions on individuals anywhere in the world responsible for committing human rights violations or acts of significant corruption. The act received widespread bipartisan support. Senator Ben Cardin, a Maryland Democrat, introduced a version of the bill, and five Republican senators and five Democratic senators signed on as co-sponsors. President Barack Obama signed the law on December 23, 2016.
What does the Global Magnitsky Act do?
The Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act authorizes the president to block or revoke the visas of certain “foreign persons” (both individuals and entities) or to impose property sanctions on them. People can be sanctioned (a) if they are responsible for or acted as an agent for someone responsible for “extrajudicial killings, torture, or other gross violations of internationally recognized human rights,” or (b) if they are government officials or senior associates of government officials complicit in “acts of significant corruption.”
The Global Magnitsky Act is not used against Americans because US persons would be subject to US law, i.e. if they were here we could just use existing laws indict them and have a trial. This is about human rights violators who are beyond the reach of US Law. We are saying we can cut you off from the US banking system which in effect cuts you off from the global banking system because other banks won't deal with you and risk violating American sanctions.
The executive order that happened under Trump is the enforcement of this law. This comes at the tail end of the process which is Congress recommends a list of people to be sanctioned and these people are then check by the Treasury Dept and the State Department. The vetted list is then presented to the President to execute the law. This executive was misread by Trump watchers because they assumed Trump was the start of this process and they misread the part about declaring a national emergency. It's basically a limited national emergency, but it's required in order to seize someone's assts. Congress does not have the rights to freeze someone's assets like this but the President does. This law does not give the President new powers in seizing someone's assets and sanctioning them, it just gives a new reason this might happen. Drug Dealers and Terrorists have long been on the Treasuries sanctions list.
You will notice that the first words of the Executive reference the existing laws that give the President these powers.
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) (NEA), the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act (Public Law 114-328) (the “Act”), section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (8 U.S.C. 1182(f)) (INA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
In short this law was passed by Congress and the execution of the law required an executive order and this would have happened no matter who was president. And as you discovered, this doesn't apply to US people.
Your legal reckoning is superior. UpVOAT for you! The legal system has become convoluted by design.
It is interesting that Trump is using a law created under THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. "They never thought she would lose" LOL!
"In 2012, the US Congress passed a law in his name that imposed sanctions on a list of Russian officials believed to be responsible for serious human rights violations, freezing any US assets they hold and banning them from entry into the United States."
I think you might have missed my point. Both Magnitsky laws were passed under Obama. Both will never apply to American citizens like Hilary Clinton. It's not that Trump is using this law....Trump is executing a law passed by Congress and the way the law is written is Trump cannot just sanction whoever he wants. There are like 4 different Congressional Committees who can submit a list of names. These are reviewed by the State Department and Treasury department and the final list goes to the President to execute. Anybody who was president, Trump, Bernie, Clinton, Rubio or whomever, would get the same list. In August of last year, the Senate submitted a list of 20 names. and 13 of them ended up getting sanctioned along with folks/entities connected to them
https://www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-mccain-prod-trump-administration-to-use-global-magnitsky-tools-to-punish-human-rights-violators-and-corrupt-officials-from-around-the-world
Who can recommend individuals for the president to sanction?
The act allows the assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights, and labor, in consultation with other State Department officials, to submit recommendations for people to be sanctioned to the secretary of state. The Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs and the Committee on Foreign Relations in the Senate and the Committee on Financial Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs in the House can also submit names to the president. In determining whether to impose sanctions, the president can also review credible information obtained by other countries or nongovernmental organizations that monitor human rights violations. In practice, the decision about whether to carry out the sanctions will most likely be made jointly by the State Department and Treasury Department.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act
As an aside Both Obama and Trump were criticized for not being as enthusiastic about this law as Congress was. Seems like both came around on it...or maybe just the reality of it, that they couldn't veto it.
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think- ago
Hi @MolochHunter, as far as I remember, this is mere speculation at this point. I'd like to ask you to please add a link that either proves assets of the Clintons have been frozen by an executive order (IIRC, Trump's EO only applies for assets of foreign citizens, and the Clintons are not named in the annex) or to change your wording, indicating that you are speculating that their assets might have been frozen, maybe in the form of a question.
Thank you. I'll give you the 24 hours Grace flair, so that you'll have some time to edit.
KnightsofHubris ago
@therealkrispy, @think-,
The executive order is not the place to start to understand what the US government is doing with human rights violators. To understand this, you first need to start with the Global Magnitsky Act. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act
There was a Magnitsky law passed in 2012 and one passed in 2016. This just hit the news again because Putin and Trump discussed it at their private meeting.
The Global Magnitsky Act is not used against Americans because US persons would be subject to US law, i.e. if they were here we could just use existing laws indict them and have a trial. This is about human rights violators who are beyond the reach of US Law. We are saying we can cut you off from the US banking system which in effect cuts you off from the global banking system because other banks won't deal with you and risk violating American sanctions.
The executive order that happened under Trump is the enforcement of this law. This comes at the tail end of the process which is Congress recommends a list of people to be sanctioned and these people are then check by the Treasury Dept and the State Department. The vetted list is then presented to the President to execute the law. This executive was misread by Trump watchers because they assumed Trump was the start of this process and they misread the part about declaring a national emergency. It's basically a limited national emergency, but it's required in order to seize someone's assts. Congress does not have the rights to freeze someone's assets like this but the President does. This law does not give the President new powers in seizing someone's assets and sanctioning them, it just gives a new reason this might happen. Drug Dealers and Terrorists have long been on the Treasuries sanctions list.
You will notice that the first words of the Executive reference the existing laws that give the President these powers.
In short this law was passed by Congress and the execution of the law required an executive order and this would have happened no matter who was president. And as you discovered, this doesn't apply to US people.
septimasexta ago
Your legal reckoning is superior. UpVOAT for you! The legal system has become convoluted by design. It is interesting that Trump is using a law created under THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. "They never thought she would lose" LOL!
"In 2012, the US Congress passed a law in his name that imposed sanctions on a list of Russian officials believed to be responsible for serious human rights violations, freezing any US assets they hold and banning them from entry into the United States."
KnightsofHubris ago
I think you might have missed my point. Both Magnitsky laws were passed under Obama. Both will never apply to American citizens like Hilary Clinton. It's not that Trump is using this law....Trump is executing a law passed by Congress and the way the law is written is Trump cannot just sanction whoever he wants. There are like 4 different Congressional Committees who can submit a list of names. These are reviewed by the State Department and Treasury department and the final list goes to the President to execute. Anybody who was president, Trump, Bernie, Clinton, Rubio or whomever, would get the same list. In August of last year, the Senate submitted a list of 20 names. and 13 of them ended up getting sanctioned along with folks/entities connected to them https://www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-mccain-prod-trump-administration-to-use-global-magnitsky-tools-to-punish-human-rights-violators-and-corrupt-officials-from-around-the-world
As an aside Both Obama and Trump were criticized for not being as enthusiastic about this law as Congress was. Seems like both came around on it...or maybe just the reality of it, that they couldn't veto it.