Resident shill @Are_we_sure says Clinton has no idea who Silsby was.
Pizza-gate has never been about concern for children. It's been about using concern for children in the most cynical sick way to attack political opponents.
Pizza-gate is also based on several easily disproven lies. Clinton had no idea who Silsby was. There's no coded language in Podesta's emails. There is zero evidence of child trafficking at comet ping pong. Etc,Etc.
Part of the pizzagate Silsby story was Clinton had known about Silsby and was following her since 2001. They claimed to have a found an email from 2001 that showed this. This was completely false. In fact the document they claim is an email from 2001 was clearly written in Jan 2010 AFTER the Haitian earthquake had struck because it talks about the 2010 Earthquake...
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twistedmac11 ago
I think it's safe to say that both of the Clintons knew who Laura Silsby was. I also think it's safe to say that Silsby knew what she was doing was wrong.
There's a docu-series on Netflix called The Traffickers, where an investigative journalist tries to get to the root of certain international trafficking industries. One of those is child trafficking in international adoption. The Silsby case seems parallel to some of the things touched on in that particular episode. Many of the kids weren't actually orphans, and their parents had been told they would see their children again. Many parents in these situations are desperate for their children to have better opportunities. Someone comes by and says they can get their child to America (a paradise, to them) and get them a better education, etc. and these parents think they are doing their children a favor, and that they will see their child again in a few years. They're not being told they're giving up their rights to their child permanently.
I think Silsby was looking to make a quick buck by taking advantage of poor Haitians. Whether or not the Clintons were involved in this, I'm unsure of. I don't know that there's anything proving they were in cahoots with Silsby prior to her going to Haiti. I also don't know if Bill Clinton really interfered on Silsby's behalf, or if her lowered charges were decided upon by the Haitian government. I do believe that the Clintons wanted to make money off of the earthquake, but I don't know that their plans involved Silsby.
Are_we__sure ago
The pizzagate claim is that Clintons knew who Laura Silsby was BEFORE she was arrested and became one of the biggest news stories on the planet. The argument is Clinton only became involved because she was personally involved with Silsby. I have shown this is false.
twistedmac11 ago
I agree with you on the idea that there is no real proof to show that the Clintons knew Silsby prior to her going to Haiti. The Wikileaks emails released as "proof" appeared to me to have taken place after the fact, not before. The State Department knows when US citizens are arrested abroad, so it's obvious Hillary to have been alerted to this as she was Secretary of State at the time.
You are correct, none of the children were orphans. I wasn't sure of the exact number when I first commented, but I knew that at least most of them did in fact have parents. It's sad to think of how many parents were taken advantage of when they were simply so desperate to give their children better lives.
I also agree that there is no evidence that Bill Clinton intervened on her behalf. The original source that I saw for this was a paper in a Harvard Human rights journal entitled "Owning Laura Silsby's Shame". The author of this paper came to the conclusion that Clinton had intervened, which was of course jumped on by people on Reddit/Voat, but I never was able to trace that claim back to a reliable source. I attempted to contact the author of the paper to clarify but never received a response. On the other hand, we don't know for a fact that Clinton DIDN'T interfere; he was in Haiti at the time, and he was vocal about not agreeing with the Haitian government holding the "missionaries" in jail. I think confirmation bias can play a part on either side of this scenario.
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Are_we__sure ago
The footnote in that paper cites the same UK Times article I reference. So it's the same single source.
Billions of dollars for Haiti did not flow through the Clinton Foundation. USAID and The Red Cross and the nternational donors, committee yes.
If you want to know the real story of Haiti, read this book
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/off-the-shelf/the-big-truck-that-went-by