@urbanmoving, thank you for adding a working link to this thread. Unfortunately, we still cannot remove the flair, because you have multiple claims here that need links supporting them, especially these:
"Sawyer's webpage says Sawyer "utilizes his military experience to run covert tier one operations all over the country"."
"Tier One operations are clandestine CIA black operations - and Sawyer openly states that is what he is doing."
"Sawyer...claims he is acting in the capacity of law enforcement - making "arrests"."
I poked around on the site you linked and eventually found the "tier one" reference on his Bio page, but just a few lines later on the same page, he highlights in bold that
All operations and activity while assigned to DEVGRU remain classified and are not represented here.
so your claim that he admits he is working for the CIA with that statement is not accurate. You're going to need a link supporting your claim that "tier one operations are clandestine CIA black operations".
I saw nowhere that he claimed he was making arrests. If that's in a video, you need a link to it and a note about the timestamp in the video where the claim is located.
So, please go through this post and turn each claim into a hyperlink to the specific supporting source material. That's what will be required for this to meet our submission rules. If Holmseth is making these claims, he should be able to link to the sources for each one of them as well. If not, this belongs in v/pizzagatewhatever.
"(VIPR teams) Sawman utilizes his military experience to run covert tier one operations all over the country; Working with the brave men and women in law enforcement to keep our communities safe."
As a former Marine. I can tell you based on my own experience you shouldn't flag this. CIA-SAD<JSOC<Tier 1 control is common knowledge. My own personal experience meeting and talking with these people.
The quote you are using is not the basis for the situation.
Sawyer himself says it, his own website.
To run "covert Tier 1 Operations" and you are supposedly "retired". He is CIA-SAD-Propaganda.
He has made no "arrests", participate in no arrests, the numbers are fake its bs. They have a propaganda division. Smith-Mundt was repealed.
Tie all that in see what I see. No "3k" arrests no 160 kids saved, just fake numbers to make you thing he is "a good guy" and doing something.
He was used to cover up Tucson. His fake org is stealing money for gullible idiots to other things, Self financing propaganda, while he does PR stunts, and covert smear jobs.
The quote you are using is not the basis for the situation. Sawyer himself says it, his own website.
I referenced exactly the same page you did, but you are ignoring that literally sixteen lines further down the page he says nothing on the page represents the classified ops he has been involved with in the past:
All operations and activity while assigned to DEVGRU remain classified and are not represented here.
It looks to me like you are deliberately ignoring or playing dumb in response to my comment, since you are ignoring what he points out on the very same page, and you also know "my personal experience" isn't support that satisfies Rule 2, nor have you linked to any place he claims to have made "arrests". You just keep repeating your unsourced claims.
Sawyer may well be CIA; I don't know. But you are doing a really shitty job making the case for it.
Look Vindicator. You aren't udnerstanding "classified" ops. There is only a little bit of "documentation" to go by, and CIA-SAD I personally know to be dirty and highly secretive. Also I suggest you look at his background. You think the CIA is gonna make it easy to prove someone is "CIA". I know what I'm talking about, sorry, personal experience and years of personal convos with people who were SOCOM, understand the JSOC layout and the "indocs". Tier 1 is CIA, plus this fraud pushed the OBL hoax https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700132466/Navy-SEAL-team-likely-honored-in-secret-for-raid.html
I can talk about that but its off topic. From that fricking helo with non DEVGRU that blown up on the ground to all types of foreign media exposure of that "Event" to that stupid lie about a burial at sea.
Tier 1=SOCOM JSOC=CIA its simple black ops, anyone claiming otherwise is not well versed in how that shady crap works. My good friend had a Seal father he murdered someone stateside on orders in the 90's. There you go you happy.
Its in the video with Timothy Holmseth the original one that got scrubbed. Also I'm former Marine Corps, DEVGRU and Tier 1 is CIA.
Holmseth used his own words and got struck, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v4on6rNfds The video playing his clips was struck
So the next video TH's read his statements...his direct quotes.
"JSOC, a subdivision of SOCOM, is responsible for commanding the Special Mission Units. They are comprised of Delta, DEVGRU and the Air Force's 24th STS. Tier 1 "Operators" are CIA, they are run by the CIA, they aren't military assets. they are black operators. He is claiming to be running Tier 1 Operators in his own words. I have my personal experience to rely on anyone claiming they are running T1 in the US means black operations in the US, that is illegal, btw making ARRESTS as a military in the US is a violation of posse comitatus. In addition all "Staffing" is done literally from every case I've ever heard of by the CIA's Special Activities Division. In other words Black operators, recruited for special missions run by the CIA-SAD.
BTW Holmseth once again in his original struck video played Sawyer's own words.
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Vindicator ago
@urbanmoving, thank you for adding a working link to this thread. Unfortunately, we still cannot remove the flair, because you have multiple claims here that need links supporting them, especially these:
I poked around on the site you linked and eventually found the "tier one" reference on his Bio page, but just a few lines later on the same page, he highlights in bold that
so your claim that he admits he is working for the CIA with that statement is not accurate. You're going to need a link supporting your claim that "tier one operations are clandestine CIA black operations".
I saw nowhere that he claimed he was making arrests. If that's in a video, you need a link to it and a note about the timestamp in the video where the claim is located.
So, please go through this post and turn each claim into a hyperlink to the specific supporting source material. That's what will be required for this to meet our submission rules. If Holmseth is making these claims, he should be able to link to the sources for each one of them as well. If not, this belongs in v/pizzagatewhatever.
Thank you.
urbanmoving ago
"(VIPR teams) Sawman utilizes his military experience to run covert tier one operations all over the country; Working with the brave men and women in law enforcement to keep our communities safe."
https://vets4childrescue.org/about-us/craig-sawman-sawyer/ If he is running "COVERT TIER 1 OPERATIONS" in the US
As a former Marine. I can tell you based on my own experience you shouldn't flag this. CIA-SAD<JSOC<Tier 1 control is common knowledge. My own personal experience meeting and talking with these people.
The quote you are using is not the basis for the situation. Sawyer himself says it, his own website.
To run "covert Tier 1 Operations" and you are supposedly "retired". He is CIA-SAD-Propaganda.
He has made no "arrests", participate in no arrests, the numbers are fake its bs. They have a propaganda division. Smith-Mundt was repealed. Tie all that in see what I see. No "3k" arrests no 160 kids saved, just fake numbers to make you thing he is "a good guy" and doing something. He was used to cover up Tucson. His fake org is stealing money for gullible idiots to other things, Self financing propaganda, while he does PR stunts, and covert smear jobs.
Vindicator ago
I referenced exactly the same page you did, but you are ignoring that literally sixteen lines further down the page he says nothing on the page represents the classified ops he has been involved with in the past:
It looks to me like you are deliberately ignoring or playing dumb in response to my comment, since you are ignoring what he points out on the very same page, and you also know "my personal experience" isn't support that satisfies Rule 2, nor have you linked to any place he claims to have made "arrests". You just keep repeating your unsourced claims.
Sawyer may well be CIA; I don't know. But you are doing a really shitty job making the case for it.
So, you are
urbanmoving ago
Look Vindicator. You aren't udnerstanding "classified" ops. There is only a little bit of "documentation" to go by, and CIA-SAD I personally know to be dirty and highly secretive. Also I suggest you look at his background. You think the CIA is gonna make it easy to prove someone is "CIA". I know what I'm talking about, sorry, personal experience and years of personal convos with people who were SOCOM, understand the JSOC layout and the "indocs". Tier 1 is CIA, plus this fraud pushed the OBL hoax https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700132466/Navy-SEAL-team-likely-honored-in-secret-for-raid.html
I can talk about that but its off topic. From that fricking helo with non DEVGRU that blown up on the ground to all types of foreign media exposure of that "Event" to that stupid lie about a burial at sea.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/04/14/three-perfect-strikes-inside-rescue-captain-phillips.html
Tier 1=SOCOM JSOC=CIA its simple black ops, anyone claiming otherwise is not well versed in how that shady crap works. My good friend had a Seal father he murdered someone stateside on orders in the 90's. There you go you happy.
urbanmoving ago
Its in the video with Timothy Holmseth the original one that got scrubbed. Also I'm former Marine Corps, DEVGRU and Tier 1 is CIA. Holmseth used his own words and got struck, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v4on6rNfds The video playing his clips was struck So the next video TH's read his statements...his direct quotes.
"JSOC, a subdivision of SOCOM, is responsible for commanding the Special Mission Units. They are comprised of Delta, DEVGRU and the Air Force's 24th STS. Tier 1 "Operators" are CIA, they are run by the CIA, they aren't military assets. they are black operators. He is claiming to be running Tier 1 Operators in his own words. I have my personal experience to rely on anyone claiming they are running T1 in the US means black operations in the US, that is illegal, btw making ARRESTS as a military in the US is a violation of posse comitatus. In addition all "Staffing" is done literally from every case I've ever heard of by the CIA's Special Activities Division. In other words Black operators, recruited for special missions run by the CIA-SAD.
BTW Holmseth once again in his original struck video played Sawyer's own words.