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Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

Couple things, Asia's "fuck everyone" t-shirt featured Sid Vicious, Bourdain was a notoriously huge fan of early punk rock and of course the Sex Pistols. So I have no doubt it was about, directed at, or inspired by him.

Sid of course stabbed his gf Nancy to death during a drug binge (he said he didn't remember), then tried committing suicide a couple times right after then, then OD'd and died.

Sid's mom revealed she believes Sid and Nancy had a SUICIDE PACT because of a note she found in his pocket after his death "We had a death pact, and I have to keep my half of the bargain. Please bury me next to my baby. Bury me in my leather jacket, jeans and motorcycle boots. Goodbye."

So that all fits with what you said OP. Bourdain even had the drug problem.

Blacksmith21 ago

What's to say Sid Vicious wasn't an early [insert an entertainer]? The attitude is definitely punk. He's the same age as Rollins, Jello, Iggy, etc. Live fast die young. Yet some survived and got wise and off the drugs.

Are_we_sure ago

Iggy is older. He's prepunk. He's 14 years older than Henry Rollins.

I subscribe to theory Sid did not kill Nancy. Several folks at at the party they were at report a sketchy ny guy hanging around who didn't seem like a punk. Sid supposedly nodded off and woke up to Nancy dead.

Blacksmith21 ago

Prepunk? Is that like mainstream punk? I maintain Iggy is punk. Period.

Are_we_sure ago

No. prepunk is like where punk came from. Nobody called the Stooges punk rock because the term punk rock didn't exist then.

I thought it was not really in use until Punk magazine started in 1975. Looking this up, I see actually the term was floating around early than I thought.

But these examples from that wiki link, show that in early 70s the concept of a punk rocker really didn't exist.

A Boston band in 1974

A reviewer for one of the free entertainment magazines of the time caught the act and gave us a great review, calling us a 'punk band.' ... [W]e all sort of looked at each other and said, 'What's punk?'"

Iggy is probably thinking of the original use of the term punk here.

In a 1974 interview for his fanzine Heavy Metal Digest Danny Sugerman told Iggy Pop "You went on record as saying you never were a punk" and Iggy replied "...well I ain't. I never was a punk."

ponyfriend ago

Iggy is punk. I've never heard of Pre-Punk only Proto-Punk. The Kinks, New York Dolls, The Velvet Underground, Even the rolling stones has been considered proto-punk but this is according to wikipedia.

The Stooges is also on the list so yea Iggy Pop is considered proto-punk in the sense that punk wasn't definied and Iggy was doing his own thing, or was at the onset of it.

Punk (which was supposedly pushed by the CIA, as all major genres are including 90s britpop bands like Oasis.) itself is going to form a more concrete genre and subculture and I guess you could say the ramones and sex pistols played a big part in that.

Blacksmith21 ago

LOL - I was gonna bring them up. But they are punk. The only band I would let fly as "pre-punk" would be MC5. Punk is about the attitude GFY at the time.

ponyfriend ago

Okay good point. I would say that Velvet Underground is proto and Stooges is punk. Modern Lovers is proto, new york dolls, etc. Proto-punk were hipsters of their day, hated disco, etc. I think you could describe proto-punk as artsy garage rock. It isn't punk it just was something slightly similar before it. post-punk came before goth and that is stuff like Joy Division. Actually lots of early goth bands were just post-punk, I'm not sure when the genre name goth came around.

Oh wikipedia claims that the first proto-punk song is the 1963 version of Louis Louis by The Kingsmen and they were like a garage "beat" band, beat being some 60s genre. I'm a fan of Surf Rock and while this isn't that it definitely is of that time. I don't know The Rolling Stones' entire catalog but they're listed as proto-punk I presume because they did rock and experimented. Here is the Louis Louis song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuvY0SER4oY

Here is a podcast that lists all sorts of music industry specific people (punk mostly but he also talks a bit about non-punk) and their ties to CIA and/or state department https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCvz6kCcxlE