Found some interesting info: The leader of Veterans On Patrol may not be what he seems. I think the leader of Veterans On Patrol is sincere about helping people and has helped many, and that he might be a bit unhinged and his information may be unreliable as well.
The leader of Veterans On Patrol, "Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer", is not a veteran and has never served in the military. You would never know it by the way he presents himself huh? He is intentionally trying to give people the impression that he is a veteran. He uses military jargon, etc...
There is a quote from him somewhere stating that he is not a veteran but I lost it, am still hunting for it so I can post it. Its in the following rambling three hour video somewhere. Unirock does decent work but his videos can be irritating because he takes forever to get to the point, and I don't like his graphics and music. Unirock is a veteran.
This is not the first time "Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer" has climbed a tower and dared the police to come and get him. He has done two times in the past. An incident from 2015 below. He climbed a tower at a stadium and hung an American Flag upside down, just like he did this time.
Sgt. Norm Owens said the man refused initial commands to come down and spent nearly five hours standing >on a platform at the top of the pole. He was holding an upside-down American flag.
Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer also caused friction at the Oregon Wildlife Refuge Standoff in which the Bundy family was arrested.
On one side were the militiamen who have been occupying the federal building since last week in protest of what they say is an over-reaching, tyrannical federal government. While the head of the standoff is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, the main person involved in the fight was Arizona right-wing extremist Blaine Cooper.
On the other side were a different group of “patriots,” many of whom appear to also live in Arizona. This group is headed up by Michael “Lewis Arthur” Meyer, the Tucson veteran who was arrested twice last year for climbing flag poles in Surprise to draw attention to veteran suicides. Arthur says he went to Oregon for two reasons: to remove Ryan Payne, one of the pro-Bundy militants in the compound who he claims is mentally unstable, and to liberate women and children in the compound.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/fight-breaks-out-between-arizona-militants-in-oregon-standoff-7956057
Michael has a history of being a drug addicth with a long rap sheet.
This could be a child trafficking waystop. The local police might be covering it up. And, it might be none of those things. We need to be accurate or we get discredited. (I am looking at you Q, you lying piece of shit. Let the down votes begin.)
I have watched about 25 videos done by Veterans On Patrol leader "Louis." I really want this child trafficking camp to be an authentic find but this guy is starting to give me doubts. He acts like a classic tweaker meth head. He goes on streaks of putting out videos every few minutes for 24 hours saying the same things over and over. Predominantly "send us gift cards, gas cards, etc..."
Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer is a homeless person that found some homeless vets and started living with them. From his affiliation with the vets he started Veterans On Patrol. He has a history of creating sensational public outbursts.
It does seem like Veterans On Patrol is serious about helping people and doing good things. And, I wonder if Louis is blowing this out of proportion is a self serving way.
Maybe the tree he found is a "rape tree", maybe it isn't. I have looked at those "restraints" a hundred times and they are not functional as restraints. They are so loose you could stick a leg in them and there is no way to adjust and tighten them. It looks like old fire hose screwed to the tree. These could be used for an unknown number of things. Homeless people are very creative when they build shelters. The old fire hose could be used to hang heavy tools in, tie ropes to, stick poles in, and no telling what all.
I"m not saying its not a rape tree, but honestly there is no reliable proof that it is a rape tree.
If I was homeless in a desert and had access to a septic tank I would bury it in the ground too because being underground is the perfect escape from desert heat. People have been going underground for thousands of years to escape the desert heat.
My gut tells me that Veterans On Patrol is probably trying very hard to help people and has helped many, and, that he is unhinged and his interpretation of events might be very unreliable.
Craig Sawyer is making films and this is good publicity for Craig. My jury is still out on Craig Sawyer. Rumors are swirling that Craig Sawyer was dishonorably discharged and that he worked security for John McCain, Hillary, etc...but I don't know it its true.
I have only seen this style of debunk so far. Attack the source of info in order to deny the info might be true.
So couple questions: how many homeless camps have solar panels & a trellis looking structure holding them up?
Sure, if as you suggest, you had access to a septic tank in the desert and were homeless you would use it as a shelter. So you have the vehicle and the backhoe to dig it in, but don't want to sleep in your car or drive to where it's not 120 degrees on the regular?
Also why did CEMEX bulldoze the site if nothing to hide?
And as for the money issue, why are we so freaked when normal humans ask for $$$. Guess people would feel better if the former meth addict- non-vet- helpful guy was filming kids in cages, while Sarah McLaughlin plays in the background and a celebrity let's us know that child slavery makes them super sad : emotionally manipulative- virtue signaling money laundering operation OK? But homeless dude helps homeless Vets, must come up with own $$$ to fight HUMAN Trafficking?
I would like to hear the interviews with the Homeless living in area. VOP says they indicated to them homeless people don't go in there...it's cartel territory, not safe. Also, Lewis stated that trafficking survivors that are working at the camp & came to tour, immediately knew what the rape tree was. But at this point it's hearsay. I haven't seen the interviews. & yes personal bias I'm more likely to trust Lewis than the smugness of people dismissing him.
Instead of looking at the possibility & trying to debunk the info, I've only found character assassination.
Guess only perfect people with the right connections & enough $$$ are allowed to know anything?
I have only seen this style of debunk so far. Attack the source of info in order to deny the info might be true.
Not attempting a debunk. Striving for accuracy. We cannot fight what we cannot accurately see. I strive for accuracy. Sometimes I fail, but I strive.
how many homeless camps have solar panels & a trellis looking structure holding them up?
Probably quite a few, . Lots of homeless people use solar from what I understand. You can go to walmart and buy 8 of them for 20 dollars. I have seen them for one dollar a piece too. Only a few inches long, fit in a back pack, and have a spike to stick in the ground. I have some. Work great.
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Sure, if as you suggest, you had access to a septic tank in the desert and were homeless you would use it as a shelter. So you have the vehicle and the backhoe to dig it in, but don't want to sleep in your car or drive to where it's not 120 degrees on the regular?
They had a septic tank. They buried it. Evidently they were sleeping in it because it had bedding in it. Not sure what your point is. It was right by the interstate and close to neighborhoods. I looked at Google Earth. Its not way out in the desert. Its in an urban area.
Also why did CEMEX bulldoze the site if nothing to hide?
Can't answer that question. I would guess to either hide evidence of child trafficking, or just get rid of it to keep gawkers and onlookers off the property, or both.
And as for the money issue, why are we so freaked when normal humans ask for $$$. Guess people would feel better if the former meth addict- non-vet- helpful guy was filming kids in cages, while Sarah McLaughlin plays in the background and a celebrity let's us know that child slavery makes them super sad : emotionally manipulative- virtue signaling money laundering operation OK? But homeless dude helps homeless Vets, must come up with own $$$ to fight HUMAN Trafficking?
I already said, two or three times, that I believe the guy is genuinely helping people. I don't hold his drug problem against him. I am a realist and a drug and alcohol counselor told me that only 3 out of 100 people truly beat addiction. Good chance he is still an addict. Due to his past behavior i'm not sure if I can trust his judgement. He is getting lots of donations from this publicity. Good for him. Lots of homeless people will benefit. That don't mean I believe his story, or that I totally disbelieve it, either.
I would like to hear the interviews with the Homeless living in area. VOP says they indicated to them homeless people don't go in there...it's cartel territory, not safe.
I have no reason to doubt that. It is fairly near the border along an interstate.
Guess only perfect people with the right connections & enough $$$ are allowed to know anything?
I have had money and I have been flat broke. Neither condition seemed to affect my integrity, intellect, or my character. I don't have a lot of money and i'm not judging him on his financial condition. I am judging him on his previous actions and his demeanor in his videos. I'm not saying he is a liar, I am saying that I can see a scenario where this whole situation benefits him and his mission to help people, and I think he could be acting out of self interest.
I didn't say he is evil, but he may not be accurate.
Thank you for thoughtful reply, will get into more depth a little later tonight. For now Re: the holding tank...doesn't seem reasonable to me FOR me. But I have no idea who really buried it. Based on what I'm seeing for height & weight (on holding tank supply sites) not a thing I could accomplish alone or without a vehicle. Lol, not dragging that out in a shopping cart. I guess could also try opening my definition of "homeless camp" (in my mind Shantis and Kola Shacks... built using what's immediately around me)...to homesteading site or nomad oasis ...but then kinda confused as to why completely abandoned
but then kinda confused as to why completely abandoned
I'm not sure why he thought it was abandoned. Just because nobody was there doesn't mean it was abandoned. If the cartel is using it as a drop point to run drugs or child trafficking it is probably not occupied all the time. They probably would only use it when they need it, periodically.
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ESOTERICshade ago
Found some interesting info: The leader of Veterans On Patrol may not be what he seems. I think the leader of Veterans On Patrol is sincere about helping people and has helped many, and that he might be a bit unhinged and his information may be unreliable as well.
The leader of Veterans On Patrol, "Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer", is not a veteran and has never served in the military. You would never know it by the way he presents himself huh? He is intentionally trying to give people the impression that he is a veteran. He uses military jargon, etc...
There is a quote from him somewhere stating that he is not a veteran but I lost it, am still hunting for it so I can post it. Its in the following rambling three hour video somewhere. Unirock does decent work but his videos can be irritating because he takes forever to get to the point, and I don't like his graphics and music. Unirock is a veteran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3oOLRGJTuE
This is not the first time "Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer" has climbed a tower and dared the police to come and get him. He has done two times in the past. An incident from 2015 below. He climbed a tower at a stadium and hung an American Flag upside down, just like he did this time.
Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer also caused friction at the Oregon Wildlife Refuge Standoff in which the Bundy family was arrested.
Michael has a history of being a drug addicth with a long rap sheet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADkn9mZ2zM4
This could be a child trafficking waystop. The local police might be covering it up. And, it might be none of those things. We need to be accurate or we get discredited. (I am looking at you Q, you lying piece of shit. Let the down votes begin.)
I have watched about 25 videos done by Veterans On Patrol leader "Louis." I really want this child trafficking camp to be an authentic find but this guy is starting to give me doubts. He acts like a classic tweaker meth head. He goes on streaks of putting out videos every few minutes for 24 hours saying the same things over and over. Predominantly "send us gift cards, gas cards, etc..."
Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer is a homeless person that found some homeless vets and started living with them. From his affiliation with the vets he started Veterans On Patrol. He has a history of creating sensational public outbursts.
It does seem like Veterans On Patrol is serious about helping people and doing good things. And, I wonder if Louis is blowing this out of proportion is a self serving way.
Maybe the tree he found is a "rape tree", maybe it isn't. I have looked at those "restraints" a hundred times and they are not functional as restraints. They are so loose you could stick a leg in them and there is no way to adjust and tighten them. It looks like old fire hose screwed to the tree. These could be used for an unknown number of things. Homeless people are very creative when they build shelters. The old fire hose could be used to hang heavy tools in, tie ropes to, stick poles in, and no telling what all.
I"m not saying its not a rape tree, but honestly there is no reliable proof that it is a rape tree.
If I was homeless in a desert and had access to a septic tank I would bury it in the ground too because being underground is the perfect escape from desert heat. People have been going underground for thousands of years to escape the desert heat.
My gut tells me that Veterans On Patrol is probably trying very hard to help people and has helped many, and, that he is unhinged and his interpretation of events might be very unreliable.
Craig Sawyer is making films and this is good publicity for Craig. My jury is still out on Craig Sawyer. Rumors are swirling that Craig Sawyer was dishonorably discharged and that he worked security for John McCain, Hillary, etc...but I don't know it its true.
adaya ago
I have only seen this style of debunk so far. Attack the source of info in order to deny the info might be true.
So couple questions: how many homeless camps have solar panels & a trellis looking structure holding them up?
Sure, if as you suggest, you had access to a septic tank in the desert and were homeless you would use it as a shelter. So you have the vehicle and the backhoe to dig it in, but don't want to sleep in your car or drive to where it's not 120 degrees on the regular?
Also why did CEMEX bulldoze the site if nothing to hide?
And as for the money issue, why are we so freaked when normal humans ask for $$$. Guess people would feel better if the former meth addict- non-vet- helpful guy was filming kids in cages, while Sarah McLaughlin plays in the background and a celebrity let's us know that child slavery makes them super sad : emotionally manipulative- virtue signaling money laundering operation OK? But homeless dude helps homeless Vets, must come up with own $$$ to fight HUMAN Trafficking?
I would like to hear the interviews with the Homeless living in area. VOP says they indicated to them homeless people don't go in there...it's cartel territory, not safe. Also, Lewis stated that trafficking survivors that are working at the camp & came to tour, immediately knew what the rape tree was. But at this point it's hearsay. I haven't seen the interviews. & yes personal bias I'm more likely to trust Lewis than the smugness of people dismissing him.
Instead of looking at the possibility & trying to debunk the info, I've only found character assassination.
Guess only perfect people with the right connections & enough $$$ are allowed to know anything?
ESOTERICshade ago
Not attempting a debunk. Striving for accuracy. We cannot fight what we cannot accurately see. I strive for accuracy. Sometimes I fail, but I strive.
Probably quite a few, . Lots of homeless people use solar from what I understand. You can go to walmart and buy 8 of them for 20 dollars. I have seen them for one dollar a piece too. Only a few inches long, fit in a back pack, and have a spike to stick in the ground. I have some. Work great.
-Style Solar Powered LED Path Lights, Set of 8, Black Finish
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Moonrays-91381-Payton-Style-Solar-Powered-LED-Path-Lights-Set-of-8-Black-Finish/23048599
They had a septic tank. They buried it. Evidently they were sleeping in it because it had bedding in it. Not sure what your point is. It was right by the interstate and close to neighborhoods. I looked at Google Earth. Its not way out in the desert. Its in an urban area.
Can't answer that question. I would guess to either hide evidence of child trafficking, or just get rid of it to keep gawkers and onlookers off the property, or both.
I already said, two or three times, that I believe the guy is genuinely helping people. I don't hold his drug problem against him. I am a realist and a drug and alcohol counselor told me that only 3 out of 100 people truly beat addiction. Good chance he is still an addict. Due to his past behavior i'm not sure if I can trust his judgement. He is getting lots of donations from this publicity. Good for him. Lots of homeless people will benefit. That don't mean I believe his story, or that I totally disbelieve it, either.
I have no reason to doubt that. It is fairly near the border along an interstate.
I have had money and I have been flat broke. Neither condition seemed to affect my integrity, intellect, or my character. I don't have a lot of money and i'm not judging him on his financial condition. I am judging him on his previous actions and his demeanor in his videos. I'm not saying he is a liar, I am saying that I can see a scenario where this whole situation benefits him and his mission to help people, and I think he could be acting out of self interest.
I didn't say he is evil, but he may not be accurate.
adaya ago
Thank you for thoughtful reply, will get into more depth a little later tonight. For now Re: the holding tank...doesn't seem reasonable to me FOR me. But I have no idea who really buried it. Based on what I'm seeing for height & weight (on holding tank supply sites) not a thing I could accomplish alone or without a vehicle. Lol, not dragging that out in a shopping cart. I guess could also try opening my definition of "homeless camp" (in my mind Shantis and Kola Shacks... built using what's immediately around me)...to homesteading site or nomad oasis ...but then kinda confused as to why completely abandoned
ESOTERICshade ago
I'm not sure why he thought it was abandoned. Just because nobody was there doesn't mean it was abandoned. If the cartel is using it as a drop point to run drugs or child trafficking it is probably not occupied all the time. They probably would only use it when they need it, periodically.