John Skippy Podesta Implicated in a Murder
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Sean Adl-Tabatabai–Netflix documentary series ‘The Keepers‘ links Clinton campaign chair John Podesta to a high-level government pedophile ring.
The show documents a government-connected pedophile ring involving the Catholic church and the murder of a woman who was about to come forward to the police with damning evidence about the abuse committed against various children.
The show vindicates what alternative media websites have been saying for years – namely that elite pedophile rings operate within the highest echelons of government involving famous politicians and world leaders, and confirms that such scandals are systematically covered up by the powers-that-be in collusion with our media institutions.
In the show, tesimony makes reference to a man nicknamed ‘Skippy’ who was involved in Cathy’s murder. ‘Skippy’ is the nickname John Podesta used as detailed in various emails leaked to WikiLeaks.
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EvaEverywhere ago
I have to watch this and note the connections to my research over the past few years but... you know... it's kind of depressing and triggering as a token gift baby appropriated and given to other parents by the Catholic Church. I tell you when the Church is fully exposed so that nobody would think of joining it or indoctrinating their child into it, I will be happy. I did not baptize my daughter, I told her about religions growing up and said that she can join whichever one she wants. But if she does, she'll have to go through the longer study path of converting adults, so she can know what she is getting into :) It's been great to discuss with her how to be a good person outside of just following the usual religious rules.
BTW, my adoptive mother was a nun and I know for a fact that nunneries (where girls are sent to as teenagers) are the seat of much abuse and it's a HUGE BIG SECRET that the church is trying to keep quiet.
dreamdigital ago
Everyone needs to do a tour at the MET in New York called "The Woman and the Seed" and they would see the full pagan scope as to why the church is the way it is. They care more about tradition rather than truth.
carmencita ago
Found this. It surely shows us that some did not see the real story and history. They thought it was just another way to force them into religion. No. The last person truly gets it and explains the meaning behind The Woman and the Seed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/2pcp3j/woman_and_the_seed_tour_at_the_met/
I think it was interesting how they traced every belief through history as an exaggeration of Nimrod. They also used every bow and every arrow they could find to prove that certain civilization was worshiping Nimrod and thus, worshiping Satan.
I also remember that they traced Greek and Roman mythology back to Nimrod (they established early on that he was Baal, which upon further research, many have arrived to the same conclusion) and how Satan was so eager to hide the truth that he incorporated these false gods to drive them away from the true God.
Overall, the tour is interesting if you're into history and I guess since it takes place in a museum full of artifacts, it makes it "scholarly".
dreamdigital ago
It's absolutely true. If you look at many of the traditions, Catholic, Holidays, Christmas, it all can be traced to Nimrod. And I'm not clicking on that link as it says "ExJW." I've done the MET tour and am doing it again in a few weeks. Ex JW = Angry
carmencita ago
All religions where dickered with to twist them into vehicles to steer us toward Satan, the Devil. I remember the quote about Satan convincing us that he did not exist. That is ridiculous since we read and hear and see evil all day everyday globally. Who is causing these people to commit these horrid crimes? Hmm. I wonder. We must try to steer those that are fleeing religions back toward God. No need for the trappings of religion. Just a need of God. Just pray to God. Forget your house of worship. They only exist to suck up our money and twist the words of God.
dreamdigital ago
Yes but there are many God's in the world. Satan himself is a god. The bible says he's the god of this system. So when you're you're praying, what God do you pray to? What name do you use to be sure that you're speaking to THE God, the creator?
carmencita ago
He will know by the words we speak. You can start with Oh Heavenly Father instead of oh my evil satan .
dreamdigital ago
Use God's name when you pray. Does God Have A Name?
Cc1914 ago
Your a JW?
dreamdigital ago
Yes.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I can't stand the Jehovah's Witnesses. No offense to you personally! But they have a pedophile problem and a cover up problem. It is a known safe haven for pedophiles. Don't be fooled!
Cc1914 ago
A pedofile problem? Wheres your proof? I don't doubt that there have been issues in some congregations but to lump all JW together as having a pedo problem ? This is really scary to see people not even thouroughly research stuff before they label JWs as having a pedo problem . Believe me if this was a " known " thing I would not be affiliated with them.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
The elders don't feel it is their duty to warn congregations if there are known pedophiles in their midst. Instead they cover it up and protect them. Simply do a search if you are interested in the problem. I'll also add that the entire church--more aptly called a cult--is built on lies. https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/paedophilia.php
Cc1914 ago
Those are all ex JWs . I won't click on apostate material . So your familiar with our beliefs? You claim they are all built on lies, so give me an example please ?
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
What do you mean you won't click on apostate material? Don't you think the abused children that left your chuech for a very good reason are worth hearing out? This is a perfect illustration of their problem. Anyone making a claim of harm gets branded an apostate! You won't even click. Man, that's messed up.
Cc1914 ago
I never said that I didn't sympathize with the abused . I have already been to all those websites before I made my informed decision to get baptized . I also was abused as a child and it wasn't by a JW . I wasn't raised as one . Please don't put words in my mouth as so many anti JW do .
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Wow, if you read about them prior and still chose them, that's scary.
Cc1914 ago
Your lumping them all together as pedofiles , do you realize that?
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
http://www.miskeptics.org/2016/03/do-jehovahs-witnesses-still-have-a-major-pedophile-problem/ this isn't by ex jw, you should give it a glance. Especially telling was the bit about "theocratic warfare", an actual Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine that encourages followers to lie to protect their religion. Since the 1950's. https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-can-hide-the-truth-in-court-to-protect-religion/
Cc1914 ago
So your telling me that I've been taught to lie? That's funny I never remember studying that doctrine .. really ? If you want to know what we believe and what the Bible really teaches just go to JW.org . We don't teach people to lie or to be pedo protectors . If that was common place I'd be one of the first to speak up about it !
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Tell me about that two witness rule, then. What's that all about?
Cc1914 ago
What that news report says is so twisted and so CNN ! The article you sent me earlier is written by someone who says Pizzagate is fake news so .. do a little research on " Tray " As far as the 2 witness rule goes , that is from the Bible . Jesus outlined a specific procedure for solving serious problems that may arise between fellow Christians. Note the steps that he set out at Matt. 18:15-17 If your brother commits a sin, [1] go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, [2] take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, [3] speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.” This is where it comes from . I have faith that if there is pedofile coveruping going on still in Australia congregations that it will be exposed just like the rest of the pedos being exposed globally . I'm sorry if you don't like the 2 witness rule but it is a Bible teaching . This rule doesn't mean that if a child or anyone comes to an elder and says " this person touched me " that the person had to have a witness ! The elders would listen for goodness sakes ! They wouldnt say " sorry you need a witness " This is how people are misinformed about our beliefs and a CNN news story with full on editing capabilities isn't gonna fly here .
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
How about MSNBC? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q4CHZRLt2E
How many kids have to suffer before you admit there's a problem? 😕 Why don't church elders inform authorities? 😌 Do you think these news stations are making this up?
Cc1914 ago
When you as " do I think these news stations are making this up " well They have banned JWs in Russia due to being labeled as extreme and there is video evidence of the Russian authorities planting fake literature in our Kingdom Halls so... nowadays you never know .. btw did your make an account solely to attack JWs, because I looked at your profile and though you have been here along time , you've made no contributions to PG ? Only comments .. seriously though it sparked my curiosity.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I only do comments, not posts. This is my first time to talk about the JW cult. Btw some of these links are news reels that came from American news stations. Nice try though. Also convenient to brush them off as "fake news". CNN doesn't fake everything. When it comes to JWs, they don't have an agenda. If Trump or some other prominent conservative were JW, maybe I'd see your point, but he's not.
Cc1914 ago
Are you kidding me? Like I said please don't put words in my mouth . Please see my prior comment where I said " they should and will be exposed if that is what they are doing " . I've commented for months about this . It turns my stomach to hear this stuff ! I still will not lump them all together , just like I won't lump all Catholics , etc together ! The fact is, I believe the message of hope that comes directly from the Bible and not any imperfect humans mouth . No other religion is preaching the hope of a resurrection . In all my studies I have yet to come across a religion that doesn't preach " when you die you go to heaven or hell " according to the Bible that's not true . I have always respected your comments here on voat and if you want to talk about Bible truths , like I said before , I'm all ears .
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Pointing out fallacies isn't putting words in your mouth. You may think your organization has policies in place to protect kids, that may be what you would like to believe, but that isn't what the record shows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse I take great issue with this: "A Watch Tower Society representative testified that the organization does not consider itself responsible for the "physical protection" of children in the community.[32][33] " Even more, I take issue that even if the elders find evidence of pedophilia that person is allowed to stay in the church if they demonstrate repentance. "Anyone found to have sexually molested a child, based upon the criteria established by the organization, and deemed by the elders to not demonstrate sufficient repentance is disfellowshipped from the congregation and shunned.[36]
The elders are instructed to gauge the abuser's repentance based upon their subsequent visible support of congregation activities, such as attending congregation meetings, and actively supporting the denomination's door-to-door work.[37] The sustained participation in the group's activities has resulted in sexual predators remaining in good standing in the congregation.[38] "
This is not, I repeat, NOT okay.
I wish that were all, but it only gets worse.
" An abuser who is judged repentant by a committee of elders is given a 'public reproof', wherein it is announced to the congregation that the named individual "has been reproved", though the nature of their crime is not stated.[36] Such a person is automatically debarred from serving in any appointed position in the congregation, however privileges can be restored in the future depending on whether he or she is deemed by the branch office to be a "known molester".[39] A few weeks later, a talk may be given to the congregation, discussing the type of sin and the need to be on guard against it, but the reproved individual is not named in connection with this talk.[40] It is the intention that the talk about the type of sin, and the previously made announcement of reproof, should allow other congregation members to interpret what type of sin had been committed.[41] When reprimanded, sex offenders may not offer public prayers, read paragraphs during congregation studies, or be given even minor responsibilities in the congregation, such as handling microphones or distributing literature in the Kingdom Hall.
Sex offenders are still permitted to participate in the congregation's house-to-house preaching. According to the Watch Tower Society's spokesperson, J. R. Brown, such ones are only allowed to preach when accompanied by a responsible adult.[42] In 2016, a convicted pedophile was filmed going door-to-door for the denomination.[43][44]"
What say you?
Cc1914 ago
I knew without a doubt your accusations were false regarding our policies on protecting children . I knew the stuff you sent me was made up by someone who hates us . I'm not saying that you knew it was false , but it is .
https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_books/4a/cpt_E.pdf
This pdf from the JW legal department makes it clear that ALL JWs report crimes to authorities. We report elders to authorities as well, if they try to cover up crimes. If an elder ever covered up a crime, or this person ever heard an elder say that... well the instruction is clear. From the top down, every JW is in agreement. That elder should have been reported (if it ever happened). We all take this very seriously. @carmencita just wanted to include you in this because your name was brought up by eucalyptus _spearment . This is all lies about our policies . By no means do I think anyone is infallible, but never would I be involved with a religion that disregards child abuse and hides it as a policy !
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
you found one measly CYA doc on the JW website that appears dated last month (see bottom left on each page of the document, it says 4/18)
This was probably posted to stem the tide of lawsuits that resulted from their heretical doctrine and their corrupt and or foolish elders. Needless to say, I don't feel sorry for the plight of the cult. They deserve lawsuits and the church elders, some at least, deserve prison. Why, oh WHY, would you CHOOSE to stay on a church where sex offenders get to stay in the congregation?!??! That's in the document YOU linked, page two. The proof is in the pudding, and their pudding is full of rotten fruit. Broken families, victimized children, and brainwashed individuals. You're here because you became skeptical about a group of individuals in D.C. being the friendly neighborhood pizza shop they made themselves out to be but your skepticism flies away because "noes my Jehovah's Witnesses". Ugh. I'm seriously pissed that you can't read between the lines. Read page 2 part 11. Read it slow. They admit it. They admit it. THEY ADMIT IT!
Cc1914 ago
You make a good point. I too struggle with the idea of forgiving people for this sin. The rule 11 is about trying to give them an honest chance to change, like Jesus asks of us. Jesus was perfect. We aren’t.” You claimed that this is both heretical and hastily created recently. It is neither. As you can see, scripture supports every rule. It’s heretical for people who cherry pick their Bible verses. Also, if you sift through decades of our publications you will find this has been the guideline/suggestion/rule for a long time. We are instructed to pray for our enemies , It’s hard, but God still sees them as human. Consider the example of Manasseh. He killed innocents, practiced witchcraft. The Bible doesn’t need to mention, but he likely practiced all forms of deprived sex magic. His reign was just about the last straw for God, and then the nation was judged and enslaved by Babylon. Yet later... Manasseh was forgiven. I'm glad I'm not the Judge here , especially since only God knows what has happened to these ones that made them like this in the first place . What if a person truly changed and turned away from bad , then spent the rest of their lives proving they had changed , by practicing good things? If places of worship put a sign on the door that says "not all are welcomed " that would go against Jesus teachings and no doubt offend a lot of people . I'm not trying to make you angry , just trying to be reasonable. I have faith that God will soon put an end to it all and the wicked will be destroyed at Armageddon! That's what the Bible teaches . That's where my hope is , in Gods word . You don't have to agree with my hope or my thinking , but there are over 11 million people and counting that share this belief . They come from all walks of life . By the way, I find rule 1 quite reasonable. Here’s why: 1. Law enforcement would be duly informed. 2. Victim protected. 3. ALL parents in the congregation informed. 4. Offender is monitored. 5. The elders rigorously determine if the offender is repentant. 6. ALL JWs know these rules and have an opportunity to address the elders about the enforcement to their satisfaction. An offender has to be REALLY willing to humbly serve God and repent to put up with the constant scrutiny that parents in the congregation will be giving, to undergo the shame and humiliation of being exposed, to be interrogated by the elders.... Pardon me if This seems foolish to you, but this seems to be a loving provision from a wise and merciful God. It is exactly like I would expect from Jehovah. I do respect that imperfect humans are implementing these rules. There will be errors, but it’s better than any other organization has come up with. Before Jesus, we would have just stoned this person to death. After Jesus’ we see that there is hope of forgiveness. Here we are seeing our organization go to the full length to actually apply the provision from that sacrifice. There is only one thing that can be read between the lines in rule 11 is the same as what is read between the lines for the Bible in general: “some humans may pick and choose what rules they will apply and what rules they will ignore and we trust that God will deal with that in His time”.
carmencita ago
All that arguing and back and forth. I certainly understand your side, such brow beating by another member here. You admitted that there are those that somehow infiltrate, just like the have in other religions. Enough already.
Cc1914 ago
Thank you for seeing it for what it was . It ultimately just makes me research more and takes up a lot of time but it's all worth it to make sure there is no blatant lies spewed around .
carmencita ago
Unfortunately, we sometimes have spewing from the oddest and strangest places.
Cc1914 ago
Ha!
Cc1914 ago
The link you provided was about the name of God wiki , it wasn't the site where you copied your content from FYI .. as far as your issues with public reproof and disfellowshipping goes , that's what keeps the congregation clean and it is also a Bible teaching . That's not to say people don't creep in and deceive ones that's for sure . If an elder really said that it isn't their responsibility to protect children or policy or whatever , he obviously was one who crept in and deceived . It happens and will continue I'm sure until the whole earth is cleansed of all evil !
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I'm speechless.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I do not think all the believers are pedophiles, but I think they have a systemic pedophile problem based on the diseased inner working of the church. The belief system and hierarchy of the elders as somehow infallible allowed the cancer of pedophilia to grow and spread. Word gets out and pedophiles know where to go to have a safe haven. That's how they operate. You're not going to change my mind on this. I've known too many and seen too much. I'm definitely not calling you a pedo, but if you continue to try and rebut me I will continue to post inconvenient truths. You won't read them since they upset your cozy worldview, but others may. How long would you like for this to continue? There's an endless supply.
Cc1914 ago
You can continue as long as you like . My goal isn't to argue . When you want to talk about the truths of the Bible then I'm all ears .
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
That's what I thought. 😉
carmencita ago
Jesus can be used or Dear Lord, When you use God's name as in Dear God, that is when he will know by the words you say. I don't think the devil's ears will perk up when you say Dear God, thank you for all the wonders of nature and the bountiful foods and the Guardian Angel you have sent to Guide Me. That's just an example. What I am trying to convey, is that God will feel your love. He will know you are speaking to him by your Loving Message.
Cc1914 ago
You got that right friend ! God knows our hearts but he has also put in place a congregation of his true worshippers . At this point , we all have nothing to lose only knowledge to gain ... why not simply study the Bible with someone who is likeminded ? Someone who wants truth as bad as you do ? That would be the JWs my dear friend . We never stop searching and are willing to admit when we've had things wrong . No other religion has changed their traditions in order to please God . Christmas for instance , JWs use to celebrate it . They found out the origin of it and quit celebrating it .
carmencita ago
Yes, I know what you told me about Easter too. It will take a lot in my family to stop the Holy Holidays. We color eggs and always make them colors of the tulips. Ever since I was little I always told my Mom they remind me of the flowers. Christmas we put the Baby Jesus in our Stable we have on Christmas Morning. His crib is empty until then. I never go to Church to celebrate any of them now. We used to have a child place the Baby but they are all grown now. So I do it. I know this is silly, but I have a statue of the Blessed Virgin and I put a
Cc1914 ago
Nothing you've done is silly .. your heart is right and God knows it . I remember when I threw out all my holiday decorations and my neighbors all thought I was crazy . One neighbor in particular who was a staunch catholic is now studying the Bible with one of my friends . She lived across the street from me for years and saw me transform my life . Then 15 years later I find out she's studying the Bible with JWs . The stories like these are endless . God is amazing .
carmencita ago
We are amazing too. It took centuries for us to get to where we are but it will slowly transform I believe. As people start waking up, others will follow. I think example is the best way. You are a good teacher.
Cc1914 ago
Thank you sweet friend . I know someday I will get to meet you . Maybe not in this system of things , but in Gods new world of peace 💕 And I can't wait to give you a big hug !
carmencita ago
I think all of us and those that have Our Hearts in the right place will all end up in the same place, no matter what religion we identify with. <3
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
This. I mean, God isn't dumb. He knows His flock. I was always taught to end my prayers with "in Jesus' name". But it's not about pointing my prayer to the right being, it's more like "if these things I am asking for are part of Your will; if not, I acquiesce to Your greater plan" My God is bigger and smarter and stronger and greater than any other so I don't have to worry about mixed signals. 😁
carmencita ago
I believe there probably are places, but I am way too busy now on here to even care. I don't think God will be angry at me or others after what we have been through. I am not worried about it, for I think God understands his flock like you say. Don't feel bad about it either. What we are doing here is not going unnoticed. Our Hearts are in the right place.