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GreenDell144 ago

Heavy.

The article posted more or less repeats these from a year ago: https://nltimes.nl/2017/11/28/dutch-foundation-gets-dozens-sexual-abuse-reports-jehovahs-witnesses

https://nltimes.nl/2017/07/21/jehovahs-witnesses-paradise-pedophiles-

It is helpful for us to know the ways various organizations direct their policies in regards to reporting this crime. Most organizations (religious, or otherwise) had fairly draconian policies for years. Since the 90s tho, many more popular organizations have adjusted their policies for zero-tolerance and transparency. JW’s did this in the 90’s too. I found the JW policy repeated in their magazines and on their website:

(For sexual abuse) What can you do? .....call the police

and it’s been that way since the 90s.

There is some contention about the “two witnesses to an accusation” rule, for confronting a believer that is doing bad. They also apply that when there are disputes between each other, to avoid taking sides when situations are unclear. It seems the rule is being misapplied in some congregations to shield offenders from victim’s accusations. Bad.

The second article states that the elders in the Netherlands don’t want to embarrass themselves with these crime reports... to keep things quiet, totally against what their HQ says. The organization makes it clear that they scripturally follow the law and respect authorities. It seems the Netherlands congregations and perhaps some local groups don’t agree with this. There should be consequences, IMO.

Cc1914 ago

We can't lump all JW together just like we can't lump all the mainstream christians , Catholics etc together . There are bad seeds in every bunch and the truth is being revealed rapidly without bias. No religion will be able to hide what God already knows . Thanks for explaining the 2 person rule . It makes so much sense to me in order to be fair and not take sides verses going to a priest and confessing sins that for sure get hidden , because you basically pay the priest off to keep quiet . Think about it .. some charge you for prayers , healing etc and the sinner feels better because he feels forgiven.. then keeps doing the same sins over and over because he can pay for Gods forgiveness. This is how it seems to me anyways . This has been my experience.

Vindicator ago

You basically pay the priest off to keep quiet . Think about it .. some charge you for prayers , healing etc and the sinner feels better because he feels forgiven.. then keeps doing the same sins over and over because he can pay for Gods forgiveness.

Totally wrong. Simony is a grave sin that will get a Catholic priest excommunicated.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P54.HTM

Cc1914 ago

Yea it is totally wrong but they do it .. I've known people to pay for prayers and confession. Are you saying they don't do it because it's a grave sin ?

Vindicator ago

Yes. If caught, they will be booted from their position. Besides that, the Church teaches that simony invalidates the Sacrament...i.e. it is spiritually useless so there is no point in doing it anyway.

Cc1914 ago

Wow so they obviously needed this specific law because of the ones that abuse it . Seriously though, this stuff goes on along with other crimes against humanity, all in the name of someone's religion . It's a fact . I'm not singling out catholic priests . Just speaking from experience. The only time I've ever had a member of the clergy concerned about my well being is when it was time to pay my 10% to the church . That to me was very telling . I know hundreds of people that have had the same experience.

Vindicator ago

I am sorry to hear that. :-(