A GREAT counter-argument and a MUST-USE to help battle the fake "Russian interference" narrative -- and Podesta says it in this very video -- is that "Hillary Clinton won the popular vote."

So if the Russians interfered, and if there was an active, well-funded attempt to get Trump elected, then wouldn't the fact that Hillary won the popular vote show that the interference was either nill or at the very least ineffective? They can't have it both ways; they're just hoping the masses are too stupid to question it.

Either Hillary lost because the Russians interfered or she won the popular vote despite the interference. Which is it?