Introducing the 24 Hour Removal Reprieve Flair
A lot of people who care about this sub have had many conversations over the past few months about what can be done to make it run smoothly despite the many difficulties we face. We need submission rules to fight the forum-slider shitposts. We have to administer them consistently to avoid censorship. But many users struggle to craft posts that satisfy them, especially while dealing with anger, frustration and resentment toward mods for removing. We need moderator authority decentralized, yet still effective...Last night, many of those conversations gelled in my brain in a new idea, and @think- and I would like to try it. Here's how it will work:
- Instead of immediately removing posts that fail to meet the submission rules, we will flair them with a 24-hour removal warning, and leave a comment requesting an edit about which rule(s) are at issue. The imperfect post will remain on the board for 24 hours, with the flair.
- The flair will alert all other users that the post is in danger of being removed -- so they can help the OP fix it by supplying links, clarifying the PG connection, explaining things with clearer logic or whatever is missing
- At the end of that time, the post will be automatically removed -- unless the OP responds to the mod comment (not a DM or modmail) to let us know he has edited it and wants the flair removed.
- At that point, mods will reevaluate and either remove the flair, request additional edits, or remove the post
- To avoid a spam tsunami of shitposts, users will only be allowed to have two such flaired threads on the board. Continuing to post threads after you've been flaired for removal will cause you to forfeit the 24 Hour Removal Reprieve. The posts will be removed and the user banned for repeated disregard of the subverse submission rules.
Pros: No more crushing instant deletions and laborious copy-paste resubmissions. All users get the opportunity to moderate the subverse content. Moderators get the opportunity to clearly see community sentiment toward the relevance and value of the subject matter.
Cons: Shitposts stay on the board overnight. (Where they can be downvoated soundly, accruing negative SCP and exposing their purveyors to the appreciation of the community. Ahem. Perhaps this is not a negative!).
The beauty of this approach is that it radically shifts the burden to the users themselves.
Right now, the mods are always the bad guys, with heavy pressure from above* if things aren't removed immediately that violate the rules, and heavy pressure from users if things are summarily removed. Our ruleset is somewhat contrary to the freewheeling expression beloved by Voat at large. Your average Old Goat coming in here to contribute something they think we might be interested in, and getting removed for rule-breaking, is usually shocked, and often complains to ProtectVoat. Understandably.
*Also understandably, because of that anti-rule culture clash, @kevdude @Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion must ensure mods aren't abusing the rules. (Hence the downward pressure lest we mods make the rules look bad). Mods get caught in the middle, and so almost no one wants to take their turn playing dog catcher. Mods are stretched thin and make poorer decisions. The beauty of the 24-hour-flair is it involves the whole community and the user in "Removals" by giving everyone the power to prevent them.
So starting immediately, we are going to try this. Please leave your feedback, ideas, etc. here in the comments, and get involved when you see the new flair and try your hand at modding.
Special thanks to @Disappointed for encouraging new ways of doing things.
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senpaithatignoresyou ago
I stopped sharing information with this sub because of those rules. I will continue to not share information with this sub.
The few occasions i have shared information here, i made sure to cross post it in another sub. I do not trust the mods here.
the rules are counter productive, and i suspect that they have crushed several leads.
Vindicator ago
I can understand that senpai. I hope we can turn things around so you don't feel that way. We are sitting on quite a hoard of research here, the more pieces we gather, the better able we -- and those who lurk -- will be able to put 2 and 2 together.
senpaithatignoresyou ago
Since i posted this, i have discovered that Christopher steele's company has been responsible for covering up and protecting pedophiles in england, and Christopher steele is involved with jimmy savile connections.I am still currently researching this. I can not come here for help due to the current rules, but thankfully there are the chans and the russian Internet.
Giving too many details will dox myself. People here have inadvertently given tooo many details in their research, and have doxxed themselves.
The information provided was good enough for many other subs.
However: I understand where the mods are coming from. I understand that if we are not careful that this sub will be barraged with thousands of false leads. I understand that it is easy to be submerged in dead ends when it comes to citizen investigations.
UNfortunatly the rules here are set up in such a way that it is tooo easy to dox yourself, thanks to internet and social media footprints, and many members have done this as a result.
Vindicator ago
So are you saying that because the material you are working on requires linked sources for every major claim, and your sources are personally connected to you in real life, you can't post here for collaboration?
senpaithatignoresyou ago
No,
Even when linked sources for the claims have been listed, the mods here pull it because of some vague rule or "it's not pizza gate released" so all the stuff i posted here at the beginning of the sub dealing with military contractor abuse in the beginning got pulled.
And that is where the problems begin, When you are in a tiny community like the intel community, or the veterans community, or in union trade organizations, and you start posting articles about an incident that was supposed to be swept under the rug, there is a good chance that some nasty people may put two and two together and figure you that your talking about things you should not be.
Vindicator ago
Ah!!! Thank you for clarifying. That makes perfect sense.
Here's how to get around that much of the time: use SearchVoat.co to find links we've left up on the same topic that met the rules and list several of them to demonstrate this has been considered pizzagate related. Military contractor abuse is definitely part of Pizzagate. Hopefully, the linking to similar but not the same exact incident type of sourcing will be sufficient to avoid doxxing yourself (i.e. create plausible deniability).
karenrussell63 ago
Not sure why social media footprints would be concerning unless @senpaithatignoresyou has shared this content on his facebook/twitter and is worried about his personal accounts showing up if the phrase/title is searched in google. That's why I don't share anything on social media and can't just host stuff on aws :/