https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-disturbing-child-rape-movie-that-left-sundance-speechless
"‘The Tale’ depicts a grown woman (Laura Dern) working through the realization that she was sexually abused at age 13, graphically depicting those horrifying sexual-assault scenes.
In many respects, The Tale has been in the making for the last 35 years. But its Sundance Film Festival premiere Saturday afternoon—the first of this year’s festival to receive a standing ovation that we witnessed—is so timely it could very well have been called: #MeToo, The Movie.
The Tale is a memoir film in which writer-director Jennifer Fox confronts the sexual abuse she suffered when she was a 13-year-old girl, having spent the next three-and-a-half decades of her life convincing herself that she was engaged in a “special” relationship with a 40-year-old man, facilitated by a woman she trusted.
Both were people in her life she loved: “Mrs. G” (names were changed from Fox’s own life) was her equestrian trainer, and “Bill” was her running coach. Thirteen-year-old Jennifer is intoxicated by the regal, beautiful Mrs. G, and trusts Bill because of it. When Bill starts to coax Jennifer into a sexual relationship, she convinces herself that they’re in love. But she was just a girl. It was child rape.
Immediately following the post-screening Q&A, in which stars Ellen Burstyn and Jason Ritter broke down in tears talking about the movie, it became clear that this is the film everyone at Sundance will be talking about.
Its resonance—a woman realizing that what she had thought was a consensual sexual relationship was actually child rape—is one thing. That it shows, with purposeful unflinching detail, Jennifer’s rape at age 13 is another. (We witnessed multiple people walk out after this.) But that it doesn’t direct you how to feel about it, or moralize, or redeem, or reassure is its greatest power.
The Tale is relentlessly uncomfortable, and sometimes even aggravating. It wades into the murky waters of a complicated debate currently consuming culture, but doesn’t seek to satisfy or conclude it—which can be infuriating but is also necessary. It lacerates right through that conversation, letting the full range of opinions spill out. Yet it doesn’t seek to stitch it back up again and heal. Because that’s not it’s job.
Eventually she pieces together an explicit, clear-eyed recollection of the relationship with Bill, and we watch it play out on screen. It’s sickening.
But The Tale isn’t a linear narrative about a child who was raped. It’s an adult woman’s journey to the horrifying realization that her innocence was preyed on; that she was abused in a way that impacted the rest of her life. It’s her struggle through frustrating notes of denial, rationalization, misremembrance, and anger as she tries to piece together what really happened to her—not what her memory of it was—and why. How she feels about it now is almost an afterthought, until, at a major climax, it isn’t.
Throughout the film, Fox plays with form, storytelling structure, and the truth in jarring ways here—at one point Laura Dern, who plays Jennifer as an adult, is actually in conversation with Isabelle Nelisse, who plays her at age 13—to illustrate the myriad ways in which a person needs to communicate, with others and themselves, past and present, to reckon fully with an event like this.
When we meet Dern’s Jennifer, her mother (Burstyn) is leaving her a litany of emotionally charged voicemails, having just discovered an essay Jennifer wrote when she was 13 titled “The Tale,” which discussed the loving relationship she had with two adults: Bill (Jason Ritter) and Mrs. G (Elizabeth Debicki.) Her mother is beside herself. Suspicions she had 35 years before were true: these adults had taken advantage of her daughter.
“This is why I didn’t tell you,” Jennifer says, dismissing her mother’s concerns. “Can’t I just sit with my own memories?” she pleads, preferring to remember the relationship fondly instead relitigate it as assault. Nearly every line of dialogue hits you like a cannonball, its relevance to the stories and confessions that have been chronicled in the #MeToo movement these last months uncanny. “No,” her mother says. “I want you to nail them.”
She starts to visit people she hadn’t seen in decades, attempting to get a more detailed picture of that time that the years have blurred—part of her desperate search for a reason this happened to her. Or even to answer if anything happened to her.
“You were raped,” she’s told multiple times. “It’s complicated,” she instinctively retorts. She rages at the word “victim,” an indictment of the inherent lack of sensitivity in imposing a victim narrative on anyone who comes forward with a traumatizing story.
Eventually she pieces together an explicit, clear-eyed recollection of the relationship with Bill, and we watch it play out on screen. It’s sickening.
Bill baits her with lines like, “You’re not afraid of life, right, Jenny? You’re not afraid of living?” He and Mrs. G flatter her by telling her that she’s special, that they think of her as an equal, that they think they can trust her with secrets. Then we start to see the rape happen.
Would the film be as powerful if the acts were implied, instead of shown to wincing eyes on screen? Perhaps. But arguably, too, the impact is in bearing witness to the things Bill says and does and their brutal reality.
It starts with Bill getting Jenny to cuddle with him under a blanket. He says she deserves better than silly young boys; that he wants to “save” her from them. He phrases things in a way to make her think it’s her idea, like to take her top off, giving her the false comfort of an agency she doesn’t have.
We see them make out and it is grotesque. We see him, over multiple scenes that take place over a series of weeks, attempt to penetrate her. “We have to keep stretching you open, slowly,” he says. And then again: “No young boy would do this for you.” We see her give him a blowjob when it doesn’t “fit.” Eventually it happens, the camera switching between her face and his as it does.
The film ends with a disclaimer that the sex scenes were shot using an adult body double. Nelisse, who was 11 at the time of filming, only shot the dialogue parts of the scene, which are graphic in their own right. Fox would coach her on how to react properly to the pain of losing one’s virginity: ”Act like you’ve been stung by a bee.”
It would be impossible to list the myriad tenets of the conversation surrounding abuse and victimhood that the film explores. Should there be guilt or shame? Is she emotionally scarred? We wouldn’t purport to answer any of those questions, and maybe the film doesn’t intend to either. And that’s the prickly part of it, the thing that will keep us and anyone who sees it itching long after it ends.
While watching it, you’re not exactly sure what Jennifer wants the outcome of this whole journey to be, and you’re especially not sure what you want it to be either. What are you rooting for, if anything at all? It all builds up to a confrontation between Jennifer and Bill. Is it satisfying? Could it possibly be?
Casting Jason Ritter as Bill was a crucial decision. His image, based on the characters he’s played in Parenthood, Girls, Kevin (Probably) Saves the World, is that of the consummate nice guy—the adorable, safe, all-around “good” guy. “The whole idea was to take out of the closet the idea that perpetrators aren’t monsters that we can pick out,” Fox said after the film. Mission accomplished.
There was an air of speechlessness as the standing ovation died down. How does someone talk about this film? What do we even say? It’s something that Burstyn herself acknowledged, before beginning the dialogue in an impassioned, immediate way: “The exploitation of innocence is a deep, criminal crime, and it’s time now, right now, in this moment in our history, to change it.”
But she wasn’t done. “And I want to thank Donald Trump for that disgusting tape that he made that we all heard that was the final straw that broke the camel’s back,” she said to rousing applause. “And we can now at last deal with this problem that has gone on for centuries all over the world. This film is giving voice to it.”
Good grief. Burstyn had to go and ruin it with a non sequitur about Trump. As if the tape that "he made" had anything at all to do with child rape.
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Votescam ago
Thank you for letting us know about this movie ... There's a lot of course that's not said ...
like the suggestion that this went on for 35 years. I'd like to know her view on that -- and his.
Does the movie every address anything that is know about what he is thinking during this time? Whether he's a pedophile which seems to be the case? And what Mrs. G has to do with all of this.
It took me back to my early years and what I was thinking and feeling about human sexuality. Males I knew. One I'd had a crush on since I was 5 or 6 years old. But that was a crush - not anything like what happens in this movie.
I always had an awareness, however, of the threat of being raped -- sexually abused. My Mother had related a story to me of an older man trying to fondle her when she was young. A neighbor. Later, when I was 6 or so, playing on the NY streets one even just before we were all being called in for dinner, a male approached me and asked if I'd read him the address on a mail box. It was a small open lobby so I wasn't concerned as we were basically still visible from the street. But then when I couldn't read it, he picked me up and I didn't like where his hand landed. I wiggled out and on home. A little difference in timing, a little difference in dusk being darkness. Fewer children on the street still who would have heard me call ... and who knows what might have happened. There are other stories I've long been thinking about.
Since the review is very optimistic on the way the story was presented, I'll take that as fact and will try to see it. Also I'm a fan of Ellyn Burstyn and her acting/movies.
Piscina ago
It's not odd that the *relationship went on into her teen years. That's the mindfuck that is grooming and child abuse...you think you're complicit. That's why you feel shame. Some part of you tells you it's fucked but he's bound you to him and you think it's love.
Votescam ago
Piscina --
A PEDOPHILE is interested in children of specific ages -- Pedophilia is all about the AGE of the child ...
There are different names for those who are interested in a 4 year old -- and different names for those interested in a 8-9 year old ... and other names for pedophiles interested in teenagers who are still minors....
And THIS relationship went on for thirty five years ... !!!
What I'm saying is that this case is quite different from what we're discussing here .. child trafficking and MKULTRA ...
Torture of children, as well.
I agree that this kind of rape and sexual abuse does exist -- but it doesn't have a lot in common with the stories the public is more familiar with -- and the stories we deal with here.
However, on the level of the trauma and PTSD that all victims of sexual abuse/rape suffer it is what they all suffer. And, sadly, it is life long. I do think that being able to tell the story also helps, especially when they are believed.
scarlettm512 ago
No, the relationship did NOT go on for 35 years. It merely took her 35 years to get to a point where she was willing to look honestly at what happened to her when she was 13 years old and he was 40.
My problem with this movie is that if the woman was able to be fine with what happened for all those years -- some will argue that the relationship didn't actually harm her. It was the REACTION to the relationship that was harmful. That is EXACTLY what pedos are trying to push. They believe that sex with kids isn't harmful as long as adults don't "over react" to it. Which is total bullshit. This movie is designed to purposely blur the lines in cases like these (which are the majority of child sexual abuse cases -- but certainly not the most extreme ones).
It seems impossible that pedophilia could ever become normalized, but then I take a look at New York and realize that they recognize 31 (yes, THIRTY-ONE) different "genders", some of which are fluid which means it could change daily/hourly, and I realize that making pedophilia mainstream may not be as impossible as I thought. That is terrifying!
Votescam ago
scarlett --
Thank you -- I see that now ... I've re-read it ... and not sure where I got that idea ... somehow the 35 years and "relationship" seemed to stay together in my mind. Again -- thanks!
I haven't seen the movie ... so I have no idea what she did with the trauma... many victims (See: CIA's MKULTRA) "disassociate" which means they develop another personality which is unknown to the host to carry the trauma. However, I think if that had happened it would have been mentioned.
Still there are many stories where this stuff stays buried -- especially when victims are very young. However, the mind will eventually begin to try to straighten things out ... usually by moving the info into the conscious mind in flash-backs.
This man was a pedophile ... but we don't know enough about him to know if he was a heterosexual male.
This buried trauma is always harmful to the victims, sometimes showing up in other failed relationships, sometimes with abuse of alcohol or drugs.
Sex with a child is a CRIME ... and it will never be anything different ... because a child cannot grant "consent."
As I've said, I haven't seen the movie ... if I do I'll comment further on what I think of it.
True pedophiles are thought to have NO sexual orientation.
Males are our sexual abusers of children ... and 95% of them are heterosexual males involved in pedophile activity. This is called "situational pedophilia."
I think your last paragraph suggests that you're being loaded up with nonsense by right wingers ... There are very few cases of trans-gender for anyone to worry about. I applaud Bradley/Chelsea Manning because of what he did in releasing information the public needed to know and be aware of being committed by our US government. There was a character named "Jazz" appearing on one of the networks for a while ... very sad in the choices she was going to have to make in order to become female. Fortunately, she had full backing and understanding from her family.
What truly worries me about our bathrooms is how filthy the men's rooms are ... Many men don't even want to use them. Keep ALL males out of women's bathrooms!! :)
scarlettm512 ago
I'm actually a liberal, not a right winger. I wasn't trying to imply that pedophiles are transgender. I'm sorry if I worded it poorly and it came across that way. I just meant that the very idea that there could even be 31 genders is, frankly, ridiculous and if we can get to a point where we've gone way past acceptance of someone who is transgender to the idea that we can allow individuals to make up their own categories of gender (without some hard scientific evidence to back up those new gender definitions), then all bets are off. I have no problem with people who are transgender living their life as they choose. And I do know that most pedophiles identify as heterosexuals (although I would argue that those men molesting young boys and who still claim to be heterosexual are not being completely honest with themselves about their sexual preferences). And, sadly, while it may be primarily men who sexually abuse children, that is changing as more women are now engaging in these types of behaviors themselves -- in addition to supplying their children to other adults. But, again, I didn't mean to make any disparaging remarks about transgender people -- merely the trend of thinking that being liberal means that you have to accept any and everyone's self designation of gender. Maybe there really are 31 different genders, but I'd like to see the scientific data to back that up before we pass laws to prevent people from asking for proof of gender or impose punishments for not using the pronoun of that person's choice (especially when the concept of gender fluidity is added and you may not know -- unless they are literally wearing a sign that tells you what gender/pronouns apply today -- exactly how you should address them). That was my only point with that last paragraph. Just thought I should clear that up :)
Votescam ago
I didn't think you were suggesting that pedophiles were transgender ... I was pointing out to you the NOISE by the right wing in reaction to transgender issue rising. That it's "much ado about nothing" given the numbers. And given the "bathroom" issue. Have you ever had to use a man's bathroom -- ??!! So worrying about 31 genders is even more inane.
And, your comments here are confused ....
Pedophiles are thought to have NO sexual orientation...they have "preferences" however for children whether male or female - and very specific preferences as to eye control, etc. When the child moves out of the age group they are attracted to they are no longer interested in them. Pedophilia is based on AGE ... not gender.
However, 95% of those males who sexually abuse children are called "situational" heterosexuals ... In other words they are men who generally desire sex with adult women... but when one isn't available they will sexually abuse a child - any child.
And you continue to be hung up on the idea that if a male sexually abuses a male child then he is a homosexual. No; it doesn't work that way. Anyone who sexually assaults a child is a pedophile. There are two categories of pedophiles -- those with NO sexual orientation and the majority (95%) who are heterosexual.
Women are NOT our sexual abusers of children .... UNLESS they are under the influence of a heterosexual male which is often the case. The female may have previously been sexually abused by a male. Look at Catholic nuns: Many of them have sexually abused children, but they are under the influence of a male-supremacist religion and under its control. And, 40% of Catholic nuns have been beaten and/or sexually abused by Catholic priests.
LINKS ...
Being liberal does NOT mean that you have to accept any and everyone's self-designation of gender."
And what you are saying is quite logical.
What is happening on this issue is that homophobia which is still very alive in our patriarchal societies causes confusion in regard to understanding pedophilia.
We also see a lot of right wing involvement in this issue -- as in late term abortion -- to distort facts and to keep the right wing in "raw meat." These are very MINOR issues as late term abortion is. Late term abortions are necessary because these are pregnancies -- wanted pregnancies -- which go wrong and the pregnancy is effecting the life or health of the pregnant female. These are a very small number of abortions every year in the US ... about ONE in every county of the US every year.
These pregnancies -- again, wanted pregnancies -- can do great harm to a woman's life and health. EVEN prevent her from having future children if she is forced to continue on with the pregnancy -- or forced to a natural birth.
Many people discussing this issue don't realize that there was a time when ALL late term abortions were banned. For instance, Debbie Reynolds/actress was pregnant at one time with a pregnancy gone wrong. The child was dead in her womb. It was affecting her health both mentally and physically, but she was not allowed to abort the dead child. She was forced to carry the dead child in her womb for months before it was delivered naturally.
Some time after that she became pregnant again -- and even earlier the child again died in her womb. She was forced again for even longer to carry the dead child to term.
Eventually, they figured out that she had lost the second child because her system was so depleted from carrying the first dead child to term. In other words, it had seriously effected her health.
These are the kinds of "late term abortion" which the right wing makes so much NOISE about... and tries to excite their right wing followers about. The NOISE is intended to prevent citizens from understanding what these abortions are really about and how FEW of these abortions take place.
That's what I'm saying to you about the transgender issue -- it's a very MINOR issue as to numbers.
And, again -- the bigger "bathroom issue" is the filth of men's rooms.
scarlettm512 ago
I don't know if "hung up" is the right way to phrase it, but I just can't seem to reconcile that someone who claims to be heterosexual and who exclusively molests young boys is truly simply a heterosexual. Of course, the prepubescent bodies of girls and boys are not very different, aside from genitalia, so perhaps the attraction is merely to that body structure and not necessarily the genitals. Although, it is still hard to imagine that someone who prefers that undeveloped body type could possibly be interested in an adult body type, too. But, mental illness doesn't really have any limitations, I suppose.
As for women abusing kids, men are by far the majority of the abusers. However, there is evidence that more women are engaging in this type of behavior. When I was a kid (a long time ago), it was almost unheard of for a woman to be sexually abusing kids -- but now we see many teachers, baby sitters, etc. being convicted of this type of behavior. Some of it may not fall into the category of pedophilia (because they are post-pubescent), but they are certainly taking advantage of authority positions and engaging in inappropriate behavior with children. In my city, there are quite a few women who are on the sex offender registry for sex crimes against minors. But there are even more women who provide their children knowingly to significant others or to strangers for profit. Even if they are under the influence of a male, that doesn't absolve them from their part in the crime. Neither does being abused as a child themselves. I was sexually abused as a child and I would NEVER have any inappropriate relationships, sexual or otherwise, with a child. Never.
Yes, homophobia is real and there are many people who assume that a homosexual will also be a pedophile. But, it is just as wrong to assume that a homosexual cannot be a pedophile, too. Some of them undoubtedly are because it appears that the percentage of pedophiles is pretty consistent -- even across every type of demographic. You can't say it is simply a heterosexual or caucasian or male or lower income problem. It is pretty much a problem in every community. People like Kevin Spacey who defend himself against a claim of sexual assault where the victim was a minor do not help that by deciding that is the perfect time to come out as a gay man.
Personally I am inclined to think that a large percentage of what we call pedophiles are truly sociopathic narcissists. They are interested only in sexual gratification for themselves. Children tend to be favored by them because they will be more compliant and are easier to manipulate and dominate than a peer would be. They would probably be more accurately labeled as pansexual, though, if they have no preference for sexual partners, wouldn't they? Those who are only sexually attracted to children, I view as strictly pedophiles. And I do think that if you have a preference for one gender -- regardless of the age -- that is still significant. I think people are understandably concerned about linking pedophiles to homosexuality, but it seems a little silly not to call a man who is only attracted to underage boys a homosexual pedophile just as a man who is only attracted to underage girls would be a heterosexual pedophile. The problem is that homosexual pedophilia is seen as somehow worse because it is homosexual. That is often why it gets reported more and prosecuted more because parents are more likely to press charges in that case. Pedophilia is pedophilia, though. I don't think it matters whether the person who is targeting a child is gay/straight/bi/pansexual/whatever. The problem isn't in their preferences for genitalia -- it is, as you said, the age preference that makes it horrible. As long as people are consenting adults, I absolutely do not care what they do in private. I may not agree with their choices (like polyamory, for example) but it is their right to live their lives as they see fit. If it involves people who can't consent (like someone who isn't conscious or someone mentally challenged or kids) or animals, though, those people need to be separated from society and only released if rehabilitation can be achieved.
Votescam ago
Scarlet --
Wow ... you just continue to confuse yourself. If you truly want to know about pedophiles and "situational" pedophiles who are heterosexuals then go to basic articles -- not right wing or anti-abortion websites and read about the studies. What I see over and again here is the FEAR that right wing instills in those they brainwash about reading anything that might help them figure anything out -- or enable them to think for themselves.
One of the things you miss about human sexuality is that really it takes place in the BRAIN... that's why transgender suffer as they do. The BRAIN is out of sync with the body.
Pedophiles are very specifically attracted to children of a specific AGE. Some very young children, some older children.
Can you shoot me a link on what evidence you saw in that regard ...
Yes, you see more pictures of women on Yahoo -- as we just saw with the tortured children. Wasn't until like day 4 or 5 that they let it be known that there was a husband in the household.
True -- even if a heterosexual is involved when a women abuses a child -- or if the woman has been sexually abused -- that doesn't absolve her. But it does make clear the harmful influence that heterosexual males can have over females in regard to cooperating in the sexual abuse of a child. And that's important to know. Step-fathers and brothers are the most common sexual abusers of children.
Same with the number of homosexuals who may be found sexually abusing a child -- or a woman who may be found sexually abusing a child. It's meaningless. Concentrate on the overall numbers and facts - -MALES ARE OUR SEXUAL ABUSERS OF CHILDREN. Homosexuals are 100X LESS likely to sexually abuse a child. Women are generally NOT our sexual abusers of children. So -- who should families be aware of when they consider their children's safety?
Pedophiles seem to be a case of "arrested development" ... as in boys who were turned over to seminaries when they were like 12-14 years old. They're not prepared for the brainwashing they get about human sexually. Emotionally they remain 12-14 years old and will be attracted to other 12-14 year olds even when they've aged and become adults.
Yep ... we do have to consider people like Jimmy Saville raping corpses in British hospitals!!
And, remember Catholic Priest who on visiting a hospital one day raped a young boy lying on his stomach in a CAST which covered most of his torso -- he was in recovery from spinal surgery!
The important thing now is that society is listening to women and children. The less oppression of women, the less sexual abuse of children.
scarlettm512 ago
I'm just trying to point out the obvious. Yes, sometimes homosexuals are actually pedophiles. I would guess that the percentage of homosexuals who molest kids is about the same as the percentage of heterosexuals who molest kids (of course, I'd have to research the numbers to back up that statement -- but that is my guess). Overall, the vast majority of offenders are heterosexual because heterosexuals are the vast majority of the population. Homosexuals are a minority. Therefore, even though the same percentage of that population may be offenders as the heterosexual population, since they make up only a small percentage of the population overall, the raw numbers of homosexual offenders is much, much lower than the raw numbers of heterosexual offenders. Perhaps you should study some statistics to understand the point I am trying to make here.
I'm not trying to blame any group or make connections to pedophilia and homosexuality. You are projecting that on me. You seem to be very devoted to proving that it is ONLY heterosexual males who are sexual predators and I am simply pointing out that ANYONE can be a sexual predator. It may not happen as often, but it does happen. And it is important to recognize this because we don't want a mindset where we think that a child who reports being molested by a woman or a homosexual is not believed because those groups "don't do stuff like that".
I get why the homosexual community is very prickly about this issue because people have wrongly connected pedophilia ONLY to homosexuals (and I don't condone that mindset or excuse it), but it isn't an excuse to pretend that pedophilia can't exist within the homosexual community, too. It is clear that you have your agenda as you keep accusing me of being brainwashed by right-wing articles when I have clearly stated that I am a LIBERAL. I'm not a Fox News watcher. I do actually have many friends (and a nephew) who is gay. I have NO prejudice about homosexuality. I just think it is kind of ridiculous to assert that a man who only molests boys couldn't possibly be considered as having homosexual tendencies as well. The fact that you can't even consider that possibility shows that you aren't open to considering any possibilities that are outside your own political views.
Votescam ago
Scarlet --
Your guesses would be way off -- homosexuals are more than 100X LESS likely to sexually abuse a child than a heterosexual male. That indicates that for every 100 heterosexual abusers, there would be 0 homosexuals abusers.
You should be dedicated to letting parents/families know who the sexual abusers of children are ... IF you don't want to see children sexually abused. It is MALES who are our sexual abusers of children and they are in the majority heterosexual males as "situational" pedophiles.
What I am saying to what studies report .... See below - maybe you haven't see it before?
The Catholic Church/CIA has been trying to label homosexuals as pedophiles for 2,000 years. Remember Anita Bryant --?
Homosexuals have had to overcome 2,000 years of vile homophobic preachings against them by the RCC which taught not only their own members intolerance and hatred for homosexuals, but caused even the parents of homosexuals to HATE their own children and throw them out of their homes. All American society was infected with this hatred for homosexuals.
Hey, a gay nephew! Now that might be a source of information for you ... if not now if he is young, but as begins to mature and moves into a homosexual relationship.
Try this again -- I didn't invent this information ... it's based in studies...
Quote -- ** "Focus on the Facts" -- Sean Cahill, PH.D**
A 1998 Study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are heterosexual.