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lopus ago

You did a nice work here, but I am not sure, if we can draw the conclusion out of this that Kurt Cobain was a pedo himself. maybe he knew something or was involved...somehow... in that whole scene? but maybe he was disgusted and did not join the club...? And then was killed?

I always thought, that the cover of "Nevermind" was a kind of "accusation" against the materialistic world we are living in, where we are trained to run after money from the day we are born. You can see that the Dollarnote is attached to a fishing hook.

And, about "Babies in pools" - I know that about 20-30 years ago it was not un-common to go swimming with little new born babys. Some young parents thought it would be good for them. Don't know if this still is done.

The name of the boy from the cover is Spencer Elden , and 20 years later he recreated the cover again (now wearing shorts ;)). The name of the photographer was Kirk Weddle. And Spencer's Dad was called Rick Elden . Maybe we should include these two guys in the research?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042033/Baby-cover-Nirvanas-Nevermind-album-turns-20.html

25 years later he did it again!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806802/Naked-baby-recreates-iconic-photo-Nirvana-s-groundbreaking-Nevermind-album-record-s-25th-anniversary.html

But even if the cover was meant in the Luzzatto- way, it still could be an accusation against the pedos who are "making money with kids". (if pedo knowledge is implied)

Cobain had his problems, drugs, depression and so on..... and, yes, I think the band "Nirvana" was much overrated.
But I do not yet see enough proof, that Cobain was a pedo. Also "crossdressing" or being homo- or bisexual isn't a crime. Or maybe he was abused himself as a boy? And then maybe groomed into the "business"...? (just a thought)...

Well, but maybe you are right and he was a pedo. I don't know, but I just wanted to point put, that we have to be careful with accusing someone of being pedo, just because he knows the wrong people or has some psychological problems or a strange lifestyle or a bad taste in art...

I always thought that Courtney Love was the shady person in this relationship, but I don't know...

What about their daughter? Frances Bean calls herself on Instagram and twitter "spacewitch" and "space witch666". Ugh. https://www.instagram.com/space_witch666 and https://twitter.com/the_spacewitch

migratorypatterns ago

I respect you opinions. That cover to me shouts: PEDO! Especially now that we know what we know.

Courtney Love is a skank, a whore, a liar, and pretty much anything else you want to call her. However, we were groomed to believe she was the bad guy. Kurt Cobain is the real whore ... the real evil. Since this has gotten such major pushback from shills, I decided to follow up on this. I would have just left it alone as a one off, but now? No way. How do I know the pushback is from shills? Well, because the bulk of the posts I didn't get notifications about. That means I already had the pegged as shills. Yours I did get a notification about so that should tell you something.

I really don't think there's anything wrong with you disagreeing about this. After all, it can only go two way: (1) I'm right about this or (2) I'm wrong about this. When I saw that article, things popped. I was like, holy shit! That cover! I'm especially glad I posted this because of what I found and what will be included in Part II. I was pretty much like you. I thought Courtney love was The Devil and Kurt was some tragic druggie that had a harpy for a wife -- one that spent all his money, but, man, was I wrong.

The really curious thing about what you said and the points you made are two-fold. The first is that the baby in the picture is grown up and recreated the pic. Well, good for him, but it has nothing to do with what the purpose of the shoot was. And even if he were a victim (and whether he was an unwitting victim is up in the air -- or in the water hence this debate), it's not as if victims stand up for themselves. Remember, Roman Polansk's thirteen-year-old victim forgave him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4988444/Roman-Polanski-rape-victim-Samantha-Geimer-FORGIVES-him.html

Does that mean we all should, too? Or does it mean that she's been under inordinate pressure being in the middle of this thing, and she's been victimized and is not necessarily thinking clearly about what happened? And, as stated above, we don't know if this baby was victimized.

The second point is the normalization that's occurred since that album was produced. You give this very logical opinion of the cover in terms of what you think it means. But the fact remains that Geffen DGC Records wanted to use a sticker to cover the baby's genitals. Why do you think that is? Because usually ... photographing a baby's genitals and sharing said photo would be considered CP, but that's where ART comes in. And forget about parental consent. It's what allowed Brooke Shields to be paraded around in Hugh Hefner's Sugar n' Spice. She was TEN-YEARS-OLD, but her mother allowed it and it was ART and there was Brooke's mom allowing it to happen.

http://theconversation.com/playboy-brooke-shields-and-the-fetishisation-of-young-girls-85255

The most surprising detail to emerge after Hefner’s death was that Brooke Shields had featured in a Playboy publication called Sugar and Spice when aged only 10 years old in 1975. Photographer Gary Grosse received $450 to take the photographs of the heavily made-up Shields posing naked in a bathtub. The Sugar and Spice series of books in which the images appeared promised “surprising and sensuous images of women” from contemporary photographers, coding them as “artistic”.

So Brooke Shields survived the photoshoot and later posed for the cover of Playboy when she was twenty so was she victmized by Hugh Hefner? Was she taken advantage of? Was it right to parade her around in the nude at TEN YEARS OLD because her mom said she could and because she later did business with Hugh Hefner?

Frances Bean I'll get into in Part II.

Thanks for the comment.

Saibra ago

Let us not forget the movie "Pretty Baby" where Brooke Shields, as a child, was carried around the room naked with some lace wrapped around her on a silver platter for men to bid to take her virginity. A child prostitute. What mother would allow her child to act in such a film? It's a pedophiles dream!!!!

migratorypatterns ago

Oh, let's face it, Brooke Shields was on the receiving end of monumental abuse and grooming by her alcoholic mother. Nobody's really done an in-depth investigation into Terry Shields connections to see who her associates were, but they should. I'd be curious who her friends are. I do remember reading that as a teen Brooke was flown to the Middle East often. I'd like to know why. Could be she just had a lot of friends there. Could be something much worse. I feel very sorry for that girl because the authorities should have stepped in and prevented her mother from whoring her out.

And the sad thing is that even when Brooke did wake up and realize what happened, a judge refused to order that those nude pics be taken down and her being given control of them. She didn't consent to them -- her mother did. Now that she's an adult she was asserting her rights, but that goddamned judge denied she had any.

It's disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Exploited because of her beauty -- the beauty that was sexualized when she was a freakin' minor!!!

saynotomeat ago

holy crap, what if you are right that it happened to him too as a kid and he was slowly revealing it through lyrics as other people made money before and after his death, because that was plan all along? but no one planned on him covertly red-pilling a nation through songs and lyrics. david bowie is a questionable pizzagate star. cobain decided to cover the bowie song, "the man who sold the world" on the MTV unplugged series. perhaps, the MTV unplugged nirvana series triggered the group he was trying to expose, and they had him executed, because of the unexpected success? i feel as though all of us are on to something with this, but we are missing the target but are very close.