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plowboys ago

Does God tempt us or Satan?

I applaud your post ...The Pope is dispenser of false doctrines...the church refuses to accept the sovereignty of God and constantly slanders His name.

the question cannot be answered unless you have a biblical understanding of who God says He is . If God declares Himself to be all- knowing ,all-powerful ,love ,wisdom and Creator of all things...

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness I make peace and create evil ,I the Lord do all these things.

then all things that happens must occur do to His love and direction( even pedophilia, I know tough ,one to get by but you have to believe in a SOVEREIGN God of love )

Why would God hav e to "tempt " man to find out what is in him ?

God already knows what is in man (God creates and forms man as the clay is formed by the Potter) But ...man is "tempted" to sin ? Man is "tempted to sin because he was created flesh(sin ,naked, carnal) he was born under the law of sin and death)ROMANs 8:2).... he is subject to the lust of the flesh ,the lust of the eyes and the pride of life...this condition is inherit in his flesh(IJOHN 2;16) this is the world that God has created...God is not tempted by EVIL for He is it s creator and purposes it . Man is "tempted" by what he is ... JAMES1:14 let no man say when he is "tempted",that. " God is tempting me", fo r God cannot be tempted by evil, NOR DOES HE TEMPT ANYONE( God already knows what man will do he needs not to tempt man to find out what is in him... God is directing him as Sons or as tools) but each man is tempted by his OWN EVIL DESIRES and enticed.

God creates all things God controls all things God controls satan God controls man

God has made man a prisoner of his flesh consumed by his passions and lusts,Man is sin born into Adam.... dying thou shalt die .

God has created His adversary ...we wrestle not with flesh and blood but with principalities against powers ,against rulers of darkness in this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places(our minds)

These spirits(evil) invade our minds and cause us to think a certain way and act upon those thoughts.

Hence , we(man) sins do to the corrupted ,weak, flesh which becomes fertile grounds for spirits which invade our thinking.

God is spirit ..He is not flesh and not tempted neither is His spirit which is sent in man to dwell and fight the good fight over our BEAST nature and the dragon(satan) which rides upon the beast(man)

Man gives an account to God for the deeds done is his body(pedophilia) this act motivated by seducing spirits must be eradicated ..God will not allow such a spirit to inhabit His creation...The FIRE of God's word is "a consuming fire" which burns out all the lies of the adversary and gives us power over th e "beast" our carnal nature.

This carnal nature which runs unchecked and easily manipulated by spirits, beyond its keen, will fall into temptation and lusts..pedophilia,murder,theft,etc...

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

I believe God allows Satan to test us, sure. Anything Satan does is allowed by God as God is the more powerful of the two. The Bible assures us that while Satan hates us and tempts us for his own purposes, God keeps him on a proverbial leash. The Bible also assures us that God makes all things work together for the good of those that love Him. Secondly God took the form of a human, cut himself off (mostly) from his divine powers, allowed his frail human form to feel pain and temptation, and offered himself up as a sacrifice for our sins all to make a way out. He cannot overlook sin due to his attributes of perfect justice and truth, but He always throws a lifeline to us because of His mercy. Thank God for God! ☺ But we have to choose to grab on....

plowboys ago

Thanks for sharing your opinion.....but for God to sovereign He must have total control of all things which transpire in His creation. Nothing can enter or effect His creation without His design and purpose. I understand man wants to blame Satan or man for what happens. Attributing evil to " free will" but God does not slight His responsibility to His creation. The hard truth is ,and few there be that find it, is that we ,mankind, are all the "chief of sinners" ..all mankind has the potential of all sin within them.. Podesta , Clintons, Pelosi, Biden ,Spacey, Bundy,Gacy,Manson, are products of th e flesh we all inhabit...we all have been given certain circumstance which define our lives and form who we become...no one is immune from the experiences which shape them.

we are to give God an "account" of the things done in our body....we did not create the things we have done in our body ..GOD DID..God is the Potter we are the clay That includes our "choice" to choose HIM.. This is out of God as well as all things are..

we ,as members of Adam(flesh), simply do not posses the ability to "choose" God. There is no good thing in our flesh only darkness.

The light must penetrate the darkness...it is God not of us

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

Nothing I said implies that we the sinners do not bear responsibility for our actions. I'm in full agreement with that. The rest of the stuff you are saying sounds suspiciously like the trash about predestination that the Jehovah's Witnesses peddle door to door. Those guys are bad news. The sexual abuse of children and incest is rife within that organization and let's not forget the fact that they've predicted the return of Christ how many times since the early 1900s now?

plowboys ago

the false doctrine of JW,Mormons ,Calvinists is made all to apparent by their crimes which follow them..Cavlin reveled in the death of people who disagreed with his theology yet many follow his slandering of God bc it appeals to their flesh... I would hesitate with associating doctrine with denominations...all man's denominations .have errors.. God has set error ,in the church,to help us "come out of her my people"(Babylon)... the truth is thereby substantiated through our time in heresies.

when we recognize that all sin(of every man) lies potentially in us (that the words of the bible are written to us) we are to live by every word ... the battle is between or old man (adam) and the new man (Christ) battling within us... That this Battle is God 's not ours... if we do not recognize God's sovereignty in all things ,including our own wills,PROVERB 21:1 the kings heart is in the Lord's hands.as the rivers of water,He directs it wherever it goes.

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

You're spouting garbage, sir.