CONNECTION TO PIZZAGATE
The Q threads have an intrinsic connection to Pizzagate because they constantly extrapolate on themes present in the Podesta emails and offer corroboration of the research done by the Voat Pizzagate community.
QANON'S POSTS ABOUT THE LORD'S PRAYER
In @LightlyToasted latest post about Q Anon's revelations, "Q" asks:
Why was the Lord's prayer posted? (on Nov. 17)
Which version?
Why is this relevant?
What just came out re: the Lord's prayer?
What can be connected?
Do you believe in coincidences?
Re-review the map post relevant news drops
Godfather III
Of course, the Lord's Prayer is a subject of recent interest because Pope Francis, on Dec. 5, praised the French Bishops' decision to change the Our Father in the Mass. Pope Francis:
"The new French translation says "don't let me fall into temptation. It's me who falls. It's not Him who pushes me into temptation, as if I fell. A father doesn't do that. A father helps you to get up right away. The one who leads into temptation is Satan."
Aside from the fact that this is a primitive, faulty and limited interpretation of the Our Father, ignoring centuries of commentary by the Fathers of the Church and multiple saints on Jesus' prayer, the sentence that is most important is the last: "The one who leads into temptation is Satan."
This contradicts the teaching from the very beginning by the Fathers of the Church, who had closest access to the apostolic age and the oral traditions and manuscripts. St. Augustine affirms that it is indeed God who allows us to be tested, who wills that we be proven in the fire of temptation, just like God did with Abraham in the Book of Genesis when He led Abraham to Mount Moriah and commands him to sacrifice his beloved son, though at the last moment, a ram is provided as a substitute.
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:1)
St. Augustine uses as his primary source Deuteronomy 13:3 which says:
"'You must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul, or not."
(Yet another passage from the Bible which corroborate that God tests us, not Satan:
"Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning." (Exodus 20:20)
A CLOSER LOOK AT DEUTERNOMY 12:29 -13:3
So, how does this relate to Q? If we read the entire passage of Deuteronomy 12-13 which St. Augustine cites as his proof that God tests us, we find a most astonishing correlation with the current geopolitical situation and our own battle here on Voat with the Pizzagate controversy:
29 The Lord your God will cut off before you the nations you are about to invade and dispossess. But when you have driven them out and settled in their land, 30 and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” 31 You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. (Emphasis added.)
32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.
13 ]If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you."
God is warning the Chosen People not to have anything to do with the pagans and evildoers whose lands they take in conquest:
"You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates.They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods."
PETTY THEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT OR A SIGN OF SOMETHING MORE SINISTER?
Many people might tend to think the Pope is correct when he says, "The one who leads us into temptation is Satan." which is a personal theological opinion of the Pope and not defined Catholic teaching. I would dare say, though, after reading several Biblical commentaries by the Fathers of the Church, that the consensus among the Fathers of the Church and saints is the exact opposite.
Why does it matter? If we say Satan leads us into temptation, perhaps we give more power to Satan who would then seem to have the power to control our lives and set up situations for us to fall into, whereas if we say it is God who allows us to be tested and even wills that we be tested sometimes, then we are acknowledging Him as having the ultimate control and power over His creation, and not Satan. Maybe that isn't correct; that's just my opinion.
It doesn't seem to be a coincidence that this discussion has popped up a few days after the brave SRA survivor from Philadelphia came out on Voat with her grisly story of being ritually abused by priests and clerics at St. Charles Seminary, and esp, her testimony that babies were being burned in incinerators in the 1960's. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2281855
I saw children killed in incinerators at St Charles Seminary in Philadelphia. They used to be called “street kids”. Now we know they were either homeless or sex slaves... no one cared about who they were.
As tempting as it might be to say it doesn't really matter if it is God who tempts us, or Satan, I would venture to posit that it does indeed matter, and that ideas have consequences. It may seem of little moment if a handful of ancient scholars contradict the Pope's statement, but I believe his quasi-heretical, if not overtly heretical, statement does indeed have great significance because it might mean that the Pope may believe Satan has primacy over our lives, and not God.
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ESOTERICshade ago
One thing I have learned is that the Bible has been through many transformations and today's Bible is not an original word for word document that comes from something original set in stone thousands of years ago. I can't give you a link that will prove it because understanding this takes much reading from many sources and a lot of time.
The Bible derives it's passages from several sources written down by humans.
An interpretation that tells me that a loving God created a global satanic pedophile ring that tortures children to test my faith in God to see if I would yield to temptation is not something I can believe in. That seems the inverse of something a loving God would do.
Some people are also attempting to interpret taking Palestine and Jerusalem from away from true Palestenian semites and giving it to Talmudic Jesus haters as a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.
The teachings attributed to Jesus would not agree with this and neither do I.
4_InquiringMinds ago
@ESOTERICshade
WTH is going on here? This sub has turned into a right wing bible thumping zionist loving swamp.
Oh right, god is testing me.
Or is it satan...shit, how would I know?
You're getting sleepy/very very sleepy.
ESOTERICshade ago
I hope its mainly voat and does not spread. There is a strong trend in getting people to trust Freemasons going around like a virus. It needs to stop because I don't think some people understand who they are being lured into trusting, and some of it is also shills I think.
This link you posted is priceless though :)
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=z9pD_UK6vGU
SterlingJB ago
The disinfo masons need to mix up their cover story too. "Truther" masons talk about the esoteric stuff but when mentioning the masons they all give, almost word for word the same each time, the canned response that the freemasons is a just fun drinking club for old dudes, which is it is for most, but is obviously BS when you see how many masons and other robe wearing faps are in key positions.