Discernment is key, in everything. When you get shit for keeping an open mind and asking questions, that's when you should be questioning even more. I'll tell you this, and I've said it before, if HRC and Podesta and all the, what, tens of thousands? Millions? of pedos and torturers get locked up-- even those in high places, and it's clearly because of Trump, then get the hell out of my way because I want to be the first to shake his hand.
But until or unless I see people being held accountable on a grand scale, including HRC, the Bushes, and also that the Zionists no longer have power, I'm going to ask questions-- and be open minded about the information I receive.
I think it's a different means to the same end. I like food and so I like to use food analogies whenever possible.
CIA is like McDonald's. The NSA is like Burger King. In the end, what they produce and shell out to the population is unhealthy garbage at best, destruction disguised as nutritious food at worst.
The two agencies might compete against one another for control, dominance, and funding, but they work for the same puppet masters.
Its stated mission, and maybe even how it started out, is not what it's become. They're the ones who recently admitted that they developed root code software programs that enable anyone with that code to spy on anyone who has various "Smart technology" devices which include many of the current models of monitors that can be used with computers as well as for television use. And so, for example, a child can be watching her cartoons on TV and in turn be watched by someone using software developed by the NSA. (The agency claims that their spying software was stolen by rogue agents and that's why it's now available on the dark web. Hmm. A premiere spy agency can't keep their evil wares safe from the bad guys, and though they control the dark web they can't prevent said software from being distributed on it?)
But the real outrage for me is that there is no outrage. The majority of Americans (and possibly the rest of the world) just don't have any fucks to give about this.
The salt in the wound for me is that the Q persona claims the NSA are the good guys, and that they will rescue us from the bad CIA. And do you see any outrage amongst the Q followers? None. If Q said it, it must be true. Hail the NSA.
The conclusion I come to over and over is, if the evil doers used their energy for the good, our collective reality would be utterly transformed to the benefit of everyone, including them. I truly believe they would be far happier than they are now even with all their money and power.
It stops when there is a tipping point of consciousness/vibration rising among the masses. This begins with sharing information and more and more people wake up. I woke up a little over a year ago, and I know many others who have also recently awoken. Just looking at the increase in people coming to Voat PG and making YouTube PG videos is a strong indicator that momentum is growing.
The hard part is being awake while so many of your loved ones are sound asleep. You can't force anyone to wake up as that is detrimental to the process and gift of free will from the Creator. That part is also really hard for me. But here we are, a wide range of people from diverse backgrounds, ages, belief systems, vocations, and so much more-- all gathered here together on Voat with a united desired to stop the violence against children. That's a huge win right there. We weren't all here a few years ago but we're here now and we're increasing in numbers.
I know with absolute certainty that at some point, most disbelievers will experience that awkward moment when they realize that the crazy alt-right conspiracy theorists were right. When it happened to me, I'm pretty sure my face turned red. ;-)
Just a note SoldierofLight don't be fooled by someone who has this VOAT record in 10 months: (why is he/she lurking here? Just asking!)
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Point taken, and I appreciate that. I'll listen to anybody once, and I will try to keep an open mind, but I also trust my gut and sometimes I even trust my brain. There's an old saying. "The proof is in the pudding." Haven't seen any yet in re: to Q. But I see a LOT of excuses being made on his behalf.
To anyone who thinks otherwise, me asking questions does not equate me with a shill. In fact, I didn't downvote this post because I think people should form their own opinion after taking in the information.
I do agree with you, an open mind is the most important, if we think we are right that gives no one else the privilege of being right if we disagree with them. When I feel a twinge in my 'gut' first thing I check is their contribution and past comments, it helps to build a picture of their credibility. I think in this case 168 comments in 10 months = +- 1.8 per day. Not a lot you would agree for a serious pizzagater. Not saying this is the case, but some people are here purposely to misdirect etc., I think its good that we look out for each other if we notice it. Keep up the good work! We are winning!
Discernment is key, and yes, I always look at how long they've been here and their contributions. That said, I look at my own low number of posts and realize it's not the only indicator. Also, though I only have one account on VOAT, some good researchers create an alt for a quick comment or two to say something they feel is important but know that they'll be downvoted so they don't want to use their main account.
Thats funny, I have never checked you, think because I've seen you around and you don't seem to say anything that has shocked me lol Maybe I should be more discerning as I think it was your name that made me at ease hahaha I will have to watch that one. jk
As you can see I have some knowledge of the invisible war,but i refrain from commenting much here,or write more precise info .
the main reason is that voat is still a datamining operation ,and every time i write some substance personal stalkers like TrishaUK and others show up.
they follow me like flies on shit.
it pisses me off,so i write my real info on other sites.
go around and look for the same handle shachalnur to find more substancial information on the ongoing war.
Because there are forces that have decided a long time ago that creating Israel in order to blow it up later is a good plan.
from there point of view a war between muslims and jews,with christians getting a permanent hard on,will involve most of the planet,with a few billion dead is a great way to get rid off all religions and replace it by the religion preferred by the Illuminati.
Albert pike already wrote about it in 1870 something.
making jerusalem the capital won't change a thing,besides infuriate all muslims,who are battlehardened and ready to go.
When the Rock will be destroyed ,the fun will start,because in islam the destruction of the Rock will usher in the Final War.
this plan was made over 200 years ago,and is on the point of being executed.
Just because Pike said it doesn't mean that it has to play out that way. Theodor Herzl's Israel and historical Israel are different in very significant ways.
Pissing off Muslims seems to be a recurring theme for Trump. In the previous two cases (the New Jersey celebrations of 9/11 and his twitter videos) the facts haven't been on his side.
Thank you for explaining that. I was aware of some of that but not in the context of making Jerusalem the capital, though you say that is irrelevant. So if I'm following along correctly, you're saying that with this "gift" that Trump gave them, it's actually more like the kiss of death, kinda like the mobsters do (in the movies)?
keep a close eye on Damien Thorn...uhh...Jared Kushner.
He's high up in the Sabbatheans and is very angry at the US because the way his father was treated (jailtime) ,and might have plans even Trump doesn't know about.
Sabbatheans/Frankists are satanists and are enemies of all people including Jews
I've always gotten a bad feeling from that guy. (And, for the record, I have LOTS of Jewish friends who I know in my heart are good people and would take a bullet before they let a pedo touch a child.)
So, on a ELI5 level, to make sure I'm following your argument, you are not a Trumper, and not a Q fan?
Agreed. I searched for your name as you suggested. I see that we are on the same side-- justice for children and others too and the NWO needs to be destroyed.
Based on your first sentence of this most recent comment of yours to me it seems that we are more in alignment than maybe in years past when you posted on other websites. I'm thinking specifically of Netanyahu. I believe that in today's world, there isn't a single world leader of a major power who is free from the Elite's long reach.
A big part of the world is counterfeit. The Jewish state didn't exist until the Balfour declaration, and was founded by terrorists. The divine protection described in the Torah is based on ancestry, not right of return as defined by the Zionists.
That's what Scripture says. However, it also demonstrates that God has seen fit to allow his people several rounds of being curb-stomped themselves in the past. It all depends on whether the Jews have been holding up their end of deal. If they haven't been keeping their noses clean, all bets are off about Divine protection. The Vinegrower is ever ready with the pruning shears.
The pedophile organization on Weiner's laptop should tell them who is who. And I would almost bet my life that Israel has not been holding their end of the bargain. We help them and they control our policy. I've been tired of it since reading about it as a kid.
Well, according to Scripture, you don't. God handles that:
Tares among Wheat
24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven [a]may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed [b]tares among the wheat, and went away. 26 But when the [c]wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27 The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? [d]How then does it have tares?’ 28 And he said to them, ‘An [e]enemy has done this!’ The slaves *said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he *said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’” - Matt 13:24-30
44 But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly. 45 If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong. 46 If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that. - Matt 5:44-46
The "love" from that verse is agape, which is not the same as philia, which means affectionate regard or friendship. Aquinas describes agape as "to will the good of another", which could include reform by just punishment.
True. And here's what agape looks like. Rather than justly punishing them, Jesus submitted himself to the Jews, despite their bullshit. He also required his disciples to do so.
“Stop judging, that you may not be judged. 2For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you." -- Matt 7
Not at the synagogue with the whip and the "moneychangers". (Matthew 21:12)
Not when they tried to stone him for identifying with Elohim. (John 8:59)
He also required his disciples to do so.
You mean Matthew 23? This has been criticized by Francis Beare, and is inconsistent with principle that followers or subjects are punished for the sins of their leaders.
I don't really believe in religion. I'm just using it against this person. Its like when some tries to hit you with a bat and you take that bat from them and go to work on their knees. Don't take me too seriously
Tbh, I’ve been saying this for awhile, and some goat here had made a post coming to the same conclusion months back, but Israel is surrounded by enemies. Battle hardened and experienced enemies. Palestine has friends now
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opinionatedduck ago
With US being a powerful nation, I wonder what the ripples of this "storm" will bring to the other nations. This is probably an interglobal mafia.
Cheesebooger ago
Israel is fucking scared I guarantee you
SoldierofLight ago
Trump just gave them recognition of Jerusalem today. I expect they're celebrating.
crashing_this_thread ago
It's not a gift. He just gave one of the most holy religious city to the jews. Ever muslim country is pissed.
TheSpeaker2 ago
And he announced he will move the American embassy there, as well. I'm starting to listen more closely to the Trump doubters, now.
SoldierofLight ago
Discernment is key, in everything. When you get shit for keeping an open mind and asking questions, that's when you should be questioning even more. I'll tell you this, and I've said it before, if HRC and Podesta and all the, what, tens of thousands? Millions? of pedos and torturers get locked up-- even those in high places, and it's clearly because of Trump, then get the hell out of my way because I want to be the first to shake his hand.
But until or unless I see people being held accountable on a grand scale, including HRC, the Bushes, and also that the Zionists no longer have power, I'm going to ask questions-- and be open minded about the information I receive.
new4now ago
I'm starting to think that Trump got in because of Israel
Think did a number to Hillary, who was backed by the Saudi's
Bushes and Obama backed by Saudi's
I think we need to get rid of CIA, and who they have all corrupted
Also get rid of the Nazi scientists
It's a start
SoldierofLight ago
We need to get rid of the NSA too.
new4now ago
I wonder just what their job is
They must hold everything used in blackmail
Just what do they do?
SoldierofLight ago
I think it's a different means to the same end. I like food and so I like to use food analogies whenever possible.
CIA is like McDonald's. The NSA is like Burger King. In the end, what they produce and shell out to the population is unhealthy garbage at best, destruction disguised as nutritious food at worst.
The two agencies might compete against one another for control, dominance, and funding, but they work for the same puppet masters.
new4now ago
Thanks, so it's " intelligence" on whoever for whatever?
SoldierofLight ago
Its stated mission, and maybe even how it started out, is not what it's become. They're the ones who recently admitted that they developed root code software programs that enable anyone with that code to spy on anyone who has various "Smart technology" devices which include many of the current models of monitors that can be used with computers as well as for television use. And so, for example, a child can be watching her cartoons on TV and in turn be watched by someone using software developed by the NSA. (The agency claims that their spying software was stolen by rogue agents and that's why it's now available on the dark web. Hmm. A premiere spy agency can't keep their evil wares safe from the bad guys, and though they control the dark web they can't prevent said software from being distributed on it?)
But the real outrage for me is that there is no outrage. The majority of Americans (and possibly the rest of the world) just don't have any fucks to give about this.
The salt in the wound for me is that the Q persona claims the NSA are the good guys, and that they will rescue us from the bad CIA. And do you see any outrage amongst the Q followers? None. If Q said it, it must be true. Hail the NSA.
Well, no. Fuck that shit.
new4now ago
I'm starting to wonder if we are in the middle of a grabfest of power between Israel and the Suadi's
As for Dark Web, do like Negan said and shut that shit down, just fry it out
Judicially, it's not worth it, but to the scumbags it's everything
If they start another, shut it
Wish I had the know how
SoldierofLight ago
Many believe the Zionists created SA.
The conclusion I come to over and over is, if the evil doers used their energy for the good, our collective reality would be utterly transformed to the benefit of everyone, including them. I truly believe they would be far happier than they are now even with all their money and power.
new4now ago
It's too late for many if not all of them
Generation upon generationj
When and how does it stop?
SoldierofLight ago
It stops when there is a tipping point of consciousness/vibration rising among the masses. This begins with sharing information and more and more people wake up. I woke up a little over a year ago, and I know many others who have also recently awoken. Just looking at the increase in people coming to Voat PG and making YouTube PG videos is a strong indicator that momentum is growing.
The hard part is being awake while so many of your loved ones are sound asleep. You can't force anyone to wake up as that is detrimental to the process and gift of free will from the Creator. That part is also really hard for me. But here we are, a wide range of people from diverse backgrounds, ages, belief systems, vocations, and so much more-- all gathered here together on Voat with a united desired to stop the violence against children. That's a huge win right there. We weren't all here a few years ago but we're here now and we're increasing in numbers.
new4now ago
All of us is a beautiful thing
Know about family thing, one things I a nut, but won't say a word to me, others know but dont think anything will get done about it
9-11 makes me a nut lol. Some day I hope to tell him so much more 🤗
SoldierofLight ago
I know with absolute certainty that at some point, most disbelievers will experience that awkward moment when they realize that the crazy alt-right conspiracy theorists were right. When it happened to me, I'm pretty sure my face turned red. ;-)
new4now ago
I'm not a braggert, so no I told you so for me
I will just have to remember to go slow and easy, give people time in between
Cheesebooger ago
It will be the beginning of Israel's end. I am celebrating too
TrishaUK ago
Cheesebooger by name and Cheesebooger by nature I see!
Cheesebooger ago
what?
shachalnur ago
If you knew the details and background,this might well be a poisonous gift.
SoldierofLight ago
Please elaborate.
TrishaUK ago
Just a note SoldierofLight don't be fooled by someone who has this VOAT record in 10 months: (why is he/she lurking here? Just asking!) Profile overview for shachalnur. Submission statistics This user made no submissions. This user has so far shared a total of 0 links, started a total of 0 discussions and submitted a total of 168 comments. Voting habits Submissions: This user has upvoted 32 and downvoted 0 submissions. Comments: This user has upvoted 45 and downvoted 8 comments. Submission ratings 5 highest rated submissions: This user made no submissions. 5 lowest rated submissions: This user made no submissions.
SoldierofLight ago
Point taken, and I appreciate that. I'll listen to anybody once, and I will try to keep an open mind, but I also trust my gut and sometimes I even trust my brain. There's an old saying. "The proof is in the pudding." Haven't seen any yet in re: to Q. But I see a LOT of excuses being made on his behalf.
To anyone who thinks otherwise, me asking questions does not equate me with a shill. In fact, I didn't downvote this post because I think people should form their own opinion after taking in the information.
TrishaUK ago
I do agree with you, an open mind is the most important, if we think we are right that gives no one else the privilege of being right if we disagree with them. When I feel a twinge in my 'gut' first thing I check is their contribution and past comments, it helps to build a picture of their credibility. I think in this case 168 comments in 10 months = +- 1.8 per day. Not a lot you would agree for a serious pizzagater. Not saying this is the case, but some people are here purposely to misdirect etc., I think its good that we look out for each other if we notice it. Keep up the good work! We are winning!
SoldierofLight ago
Discernment is key, and yes, I always look at how long they've been here and their contributions. That said, I look at my own low number of posts and realize it's not the only indicator. Also, though I only have one account on VOAT, some good researchers create an alt for a quick comment or two to say something they feel is important but know that they'll be downvoted so they don't want to use their main account.
TrishaUK ago
Thats funny, I have never checked you, think because I've seen you around and you don't seem to say anything that has shocked me lol Maybe I should be more discerning as I think it was your name that made me at ease hahaha I will have to watch that one. jk
SoldierofLight ago
Yah, better watch out for me, lol.
shachalnur ago
As you can see I have some knowledge of the invisible war,but i refrain from commenting much here,or write more precise info .
the main reason is that voat is still a datamining operation ,and every time i write some substance personal stalkers like TrishaUK and others show up.
they follow me like flies on shit.
it pisses me off,so i write my real info on other sites.
go around and look for the same handle shachalnur to find more substancial information on the ongoing war.
sorry i can't be more helpfull here.
shachalnur ago
Because there are forces that have decided a long time ago that creating Israel in order to blow it up later is a good plan.
from there point of view a war between muslims and jews,with christians getting a permanent hard on,will involve most of the planet,with a few billion dead is a great way to get rid off all religions and replace it by the religion preferred by the Illuminati.
Albert pike already wrote about it in 1870 something.
making jerusalem the capital won't change a thing,besides infuriate all muslims,who are battlehardened and ready to go.
When the Rock will be destroyed ,the fun will start,because in islam the destruction of the Rock will usher in the Final War.
this plan was made over 200 years ago,and is on the point of being executed.
think- ago
Albert Pike was a fraud.
shachalnur ago
he was no fraud,but there is doubt if the letter he wrote is real.
doesn't matter ,the story is out there ,and the prediction itself is old,so has value,never mind who wrote it.
SterlingJB ago
Kinda how I feel about it. If a hoax is prescient AF, is it really a hoax?
TrishaUK ago
I agree, plus I didn't realise this was a political thread we are all on. Distraction distraction distractions.
Random101 ago
Just because Pike said it doesn't mean that it has to play out that way. Theodor Herzl's Israel and historical Israel are different in very significant ways.
shachalnur ago
true that.
still it feels like a provocation that israel's security establishment is not too happy with.
it changes nothing for the next few years,the embassy will maybe move in 3-4 years.
if this was a serious move they would change the consulate to embassy and that's it.
Now it just pisses off most muslims ,Sunni and Shia
Random101 ago
Pissing off Muslims seems to be a recurring theme for Trump. In the previous two cases (the New Jersey celebrations of 9/11 and his twitter videos) the facts haven't been on his side.
TrishaUK ago
Correct!
SoldierofLight ago
Thank you for explaining that. I was aware of some of that but not in the context of making Jerusalem the capital, though you say that is irrelevant. So if I'm following along correctly, you're saying that with this "gift" that Trump gave them, it's actually more like the kiss of death, kinda like the mobsters do (in the movies)?
shachalnur ago
keep a close eye on Damien Thorn...uhh...Jared Kushner.
He's high up in the Sabbatheans and is very angry at the US because the way his father was treated (jailtime) ,and might have plans even Trump doesn't know about.
Sabbatheans/Frankists are satanists and are enemies of all people including Jews
angry_mob ago
so i've heard.
SoldierofLight ago
I've always gotten a bad feeling from that guy. (And, for the record, I have LOTS of Jewish friends who I know in my heart are good people and would take a bullet before they let a pedo touch a child.)
So, on a ELI5 level, to make sure I'm following your argument, you are not a Trumper, and not a Q fan?
shachalnur ago
i'm nobodies fan,all players are Brownstoned.
this is a fight between pure evil that has ruled the planet for over 200 years ,and lesser evil that want to take their place.
i'm not seeing anybody stopping the Eugenics slow kill Holocaust that's going on anytime soon.
as long as children recieve 87 vaccines,are being fed poison as food,and are being wified to death I don't care who rules.
they all have to go.
SoldierofLight ago
Agreed. I searched for your name as you suggested. I see that we are on the same side-- justice for children and others too and the NWO needs to be destroyed.
Based on your first sentence of this most recent comment of yours to me it seems that we are more in alignment than maybe in years past when you posted on other websites. I'm thinking specifically of Netanyahu. I believe that in today's world, there isn't a single world leader of a major power who is free from the Elite's long reach.
shachalnur ago
nethayahu was a former furniture salesman,and chosen by his controllers for his communicative abilities.
Deep State Israel is not sure anymore if he is under control.
They can take him out anytime they want,
the same fight that's going on in the US is going on in Israel.
the situation in Israel is delicate ,hasson and bitan are being dumped.
Nethanyahu is in a serious fight with policechief he appointed himself.
The signs are that the situation in israel is not under control anymore.
Army and shinbet might have to step in ,
very dangerous ,that's why the Trump decision on jerusaem is very tricky from a timing point of view.
this is more specific insider info,which i always post on times and places where nobody reads.
I'm going back to lurking now ,don't want to attract too much attention
Take care ,my friend.
SoldierofLight ago
You take care as well. Stay safe and thank you for your work.
Shillaxe ago
Thanks for calling them Ashkenazis 👍
HST ago
you mean how palestine is gonna try some shit and get stomped again? Or something else?
Cheesebooger ago
If not for American taxpayer welfare and protection the Palestinians would stomp the jews like Hezbollah did in Lebanon 2006
SwoleAcceptance ago
Negative. The Jewish state is protected by God. Call me a shill, but whoever comes against them will get curb stomped.
PrideOfOshtekk ago
You're one stupid JIDF fuck.
Random101 ago
A big part of the world is counterfeit. The Jewish state didn't exist until the Balfour declaration, and was founded by terrorists. The divine protection described in the Torah is based on ancestry, not right of return as defined by the Zionists.
Vindicator ago
That's what Scripture says. However, it also demonstrates that God has seen fit to allow his people several rounds of being curb-stomped themselves in the past. It all depends on whether the Jews have been holding up their end of deal. If they haven't been keeping their noses clean, all bets are off about Divine protection. The Vinegrower is ever ready with the pruning shears.
Random101 ago
Scripture talks about false Jews. How do do you distinguish who is who?
WhyAserverWasBuilt ago
The pedophile organization on Weiner's laptop should tell them who is who. And I would almost bet my life that Israel has not been holding their end of the bargain. We help them and they control our policy. I've been tired of it since reading about it as a kid.
Random101 ago
Paedophilia is just one kind of predatory behaviour, there are others.
Vindicator ago
Well, according to Scripture, you don't. God handles that:
User890020 ago
You don't carry the judgement, but you can recognize.
Random101 ago
How do the workers know what to bind and what to put in the barn?
in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Lev 19:15
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
Vindicator ago
Random101 ago
The "love" from that verse is agape, which is not the same as philia, which means affectionate regard or friendship. Aquinas describes agape as "to will the good of another", which could include reform by just punishment.
Vindicator ago
True. And here's what agape looks like. Rather than justly punishing them, Jesus submitted himself to the Jews, despite their bullshit. He also required his disciples to do so.
Random101 ago
Not at the synagogue with the whip and the "moneychangers". (Matthew 21:12)
Not when they tried to stone him for identifying with Elohim. (John 8:59)
You mean Matthew 23? This has been criticized by Francis Beare, and is inconsistent with principle that followers or subjects are punished for the sins of their leaders.
dassaer ago
As it has always been ..... "By their fruits"
Cheesebooger ago
shit lol why would god protect the devils children?
bernitdown ago
You guys are both clinically insane. Religion is bullshit. There is no god. It is a fairy tale meant to control uneducated masses
PrideOfOshtekk ago
There is God, inside all of us.
Cheesebooger ago
I don't really believe in religion. I'm just using it against this person. Its like when some tries to hit you with a bat and you take that bat from them and go to work on their knees. Don't take me too seriously
dassaer ago
More succinctly "it has and is being used to control the masses...' irregardless of one's belief.
finska ago
This I agree with
ARsandOutdoors ago
Tbh, I’ve been saying this for awhile, and some goat here had made a post coming to the same conclusion months back, but Israel is surrounded by enemies. Battle hardened and experienced enemies. Palestine has friends now
SwoleAcceptance ago
Need I remind you of the 6 day war?
WhyAserverWasBuilt ago
Exactly. I also hear that Hezbollah can kick their butts and Israelis are very worried and scared now. This is a very mixed bag with the citizens.