One piece of "evidence" that I've seen over and over again is the photo of JP with a fish and the number 14 painted on his hands.
I debunked that photo over a year ago and it has been used and re-used, bantered about and re-propped up and is still used today as proof of absolutely nothing at all.
(The debunking was in the form of a very obvious explanation: He was clearly Tweet-promoting the UN agenda related to saving the environment. All you need to do is read his Twitter for any length of time to see this is an issue he cares about.)
Goal #14 is simply: Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources...(Hence the FISH symbol and the number 14! Doh!)
The 14 and the fish are 100% directly tied to that, even on the UN website: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
I didn't join PG to particiapte in a witch-hunt or to falsely accuse people of anything.
Though it appears there are huge mysteries surrounding many OTHER facts/ideas behind PG, the echo chamber of actual bullshit needs to truly stop.
The internet should be scrubbed of that iconic 14/fish / photo and the guy should be apologized to over it. The explanation I proffered came pretty easily, just by reading many of his older tweets. His connection to environmental matters is pretty hard to overlook.
If the guy actually turns out to be just a passionate "foodie", then many here look a bit ridiculous as well.
THIS all said, IF anyone is actually hurting kids -- I have no problem with anyone continuing to do what we can, to put a stop to it and bring justice about for these priceless souls, but if all we have is a collection of assumptive facts and a fairy-tale narrative, are we doing right?
Yes. The Instagram stuff is beyond disgusting, but that wasn't JP. Yes, the bands are sick, but what does that have to do with JP? Yes, the comments by SL are over the top, but that was at CPP, not by JP.
Yes, I find JA to be uncomfortably creepy, but that isn't JP. Yes, the artwork is over-the-top disgusting, but that is TP, not JP. Spirit cooking looks reprehensible and gross, but does this prove what it has been assumed to prove?
The photo of the teddy bear in the adult bedroom is bizarre, but bizarre does not make a case such as what is implied.
Yes, I find the debunking and censorship over-the-moon bizarre, and yes, it "feels" like something is amiss in all this -- somewhere, but can we justify tormenting anyone whatsoever without any actual proof of anything at all?
I am not excusing/minimizing or making excuses for anyone. I just know for a fact that PG has gotten it wrong with several so-called smoking gun facts and is very slow to retract them -- and I find that disturbing to be a part of.
What I'm saying is that we need to be sure that this thread is always about keeping it real.
Seeking truth and telling the truth are not always the same and knowing the difference is essential.
view the rest of the comments →
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
For me the most interesting part of the photo was the scars on the hand not the drawings. Please will you link to your debunking of this?
CantStopCrying ago
Not sure how to find it. I had another account at that time.
The debunking was simple.
I read JP's twitter feed for as long as I could hold my interest. His Twitter feed was very passionate about things related to the environment.
He was specifically PROMOTING the U.N. Sustainability Goals and the need to protect the environment over quite a lengthy period of time.
Number 14 is this one: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-development-goals/
Look at the Icon for Number 14!
He drew a FISH and a 14 on his hand as a way to call attention to the need to protect the oceans.
http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
...and then everyone went ape-shit because they said it meant he liked 14 year old pussy or that it had to do with Osiris and all this other shit.
I can't explain the cuts on his hands, but all you need to do is spend 45 minutes on his Twitter feed and you'll notice two things:
1) The guy does seem to care about the environment 2) He used Twitter to promote his concern
Everything else said about that photo may just be plain lunacy.
This is why I am pumping the brakes. I'm concerned that some of this "investigation" has gone off the rails.
I've also noted that raising such questions just leads to persecution, which is not the expected result in a place where truth is valued.
My contribution would be lauded, not laughed at.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I am not laughing at you or ridiculing you by telling you that I learned about '14 & the fish' when I studied Egyptian mythology in public grade school(prior to Jimmy Carter & the NEA). Everything the UN does is centered around the 'Mystery Babylon' religion and always has double meaning. To me this means that you are absolutely correct and so are those who see the secondary meaning of the message. You did good work, but the layers are many and the hole is deep. And please don't give up, this is too important to get 'thin skinned' about.
CantStopCrying ago
I trust your post. Comes from integrity.
Not 100% sure I am on board with the entirety of what the UN does is centered around "Mystery Bablyon", but perhaps it is and I will stay open to that possibility.
Thank you for bringing KINDNESS back to the table.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
You stay skeptical, nothing wrong with that.;)
CantStopCrying ago
I'm not really skeptical. I'm just inclined to accuracy.
I don't like being wrong when things are this important.
I'm willing to BE wrong, but when I see obvious potential errors, it feels deceptive not to point them out, which is very hard to do here.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
It is hard to point out errors here, but it's important. GL&GB.