I hate being the one to pose questions like the following, but regarding JP, I've been concerned for some time that what is thought of as "evidence" feels pretty weak.
One piece of "evidence" that I've seen over and over again is the photo of JP with a fish and the number 14 painted on his hands.
I debunked that photo over a year ago and it has been used and re-used, bantered about and re-propped up and is still used today as proof of absolutely nothing at all.
(The debunking was in the form of a very obvious explanation: He was promoting the UN agenda related to saving the environment. All you need to do is read his Twitter for any length of time to see this is an issue he cares about.)
Goal #14 is simply: Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources...(Hence the FISH symbol and the number 14! Doh!)
The 14 and the fish are 100% directly tied to that, even on the UN website: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
I didn't join PG to particiapte in a witch-hunt or to falsely accuse people of anything.
Though it appears there are huge mysteries surrounding many OTHER facts/ideas behind PG, the echo chamber of actual bullshit needs to truly stop.
The internet should be scrubbed of that iconic 14/fish / photo and the guy should be apologized to over it. The explanation I proffered came pretty easily, just by reading many of his older tweets. His connection to environmental matters is pretty hard to overlook.
If the guy actually turns out to be just a passionate "foodie", then many here look a bit ridiculous as well.
THIS all said, IF anyone is actually hurting kids -- I have no problem with anyone continuing to do what we can, to put a stop to it and bring justice about for these priceless souls, but if all we have is a collection of assumptive facts and a fairy-tale narrative, are we doing right?
Yes. The Instagram stuff is beyond disgusting, but that wasn't JP. Yes, the bands are sick, but what does that have to do with JP? Yes, the comments by SL are over the top, but that was at CPP, not by JP.
Yes, I find JA to be uncomfortably creepy, but that isn't JP. Yes, the artwork is over-the-top disgusting, but that is TP, not JP. Spirit cooking looks reprehensible and gross, but does this prove what it has been assumed to prove?
The photo of the teddy bear in the adult bedroom is bizarre, but bizarre does not make a case such as what is implied.
Yes, I find the debunking and censorship over-the-moon bizarre, and yes, it "feels" like something is amiss in all this -- somewhere, but can we justify tormenting anyone whatsoever without any actual proof of anything at all?
I am not excusing/minimizing or making excuses for anyone. I just know for a fact that PG has gotten it wrong with several so-called smoking gun facts and is very slow to retract them -- and I find that disturbing to be a part of.
What I'm saying is that we need to be sure that this thread is always about keeping it real.
Seeking truth and telling the truth are not always the same and knowing the difference is essential.
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ESOTERICshade ago
The "sustainable sea" is a double entendre. The "sea" is the Sea Of Humanity. We are the "fish" that live in the Sea Of Humanity. Their goal is to hook us with their bait. Making the sea "sustainable" means keeping the fish farm (our prison) well maintained so that we can be exploited.
When JP says he is worried about the "ocean's sustainability" what he truly means is that he fears his cult is losing control because people are waking up. Actually, he does not fear it, he knows it. His tweets about concern for the "oceans" are signals to his buddies about his fears of losing control of our perspectives and our captivity. He is afraid that too many of us are swimming out of muddy layers and into the clear water of true vision.
14 and a fish is a symbol for Osiris. Osiris is a symbol of their evil God archetype.
CantStopCrying ago
I read your wonderful reply and also looked at the pics. Great stuff, but how is this anything but speculation?
What if the 14 and the fish simply refers to the 14th U.N. Sustainability Goal of protecting the oceans? http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
At what point, is something just as it is and nothing more?
That is why I raised the issue.
Seems like some people here will defend a "fact" for a very long time.
But what if a fact is not a fact at all?
ESOTERICshade ago
You are imagining that a man with ties to known child trafficking operations like the Clinton Foundation has good intentions. I am imagining that he does not. We are all attuned to different layers of the onion. Maybe a little more tuning would help.
Maybe you just need to lurk more. Learn more. Its occult symbolism
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CantStopCrying ago
I watched/listened to a long Mark Passio video last week and just watched Tracy Twyman video.
Thank you!
I don't disagree with the possibility of such things being true, but in light of what may be just a very simple explanation as to that one piece of iconic evidence, why isn't is possible that the 14 and the fish simply referred to the 14 and the fish here:
http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-development-goals/
I mean, that was the context of not only the original Twitter pic., it was ALSO the context of many, many tweets by JP that has to to with the environment.
How does one go from that ONE BIT OF "EVIDENCE" to cutting off penises, chopping up girls, screwing babies, etc?
What if his tweet WAS just a pure reference to http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-development-goals/ ?
YES, it COULD be more than that, but aren't we just making up stories without KNOWING what it refers to?
I'm just not that willing to completely loose my thinking, that just because someone SAYS that it COULD be about Osiris or what/not, that it automatically ISN'T about what it purports to be.
Maybe that one fact is just what it was.
And that is what concerns me.
It is hard to break-through and pump the brakes here, when maybe we need to sometimes.
ESOTERICshade ago
Subscribing to benevolent intentions of a death cult will get you killed. Better get yourself a better pair of glasses. And if you are working for them know this. You are a fish too. You are expendable. They will clip your life as a sacrifice and a warning to others.
CantStopCrying ago
Oh Good God.
Nooo. I'm not working for anyone.
I asked about one fact: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
Is it possible that the 14 and the fish pic simply was taken out of context and spun into a fantastic tale?
Might it just have been about what it was about: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
And I get to listen to this rubbish?
Get off it buddy.
Take the glasses off and put the thinking cap back on.
This: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
May just mean this: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
And the willingness to engage in fairy-tales around it, is sad.
Does that mean JP is innocent? Does that mean PG does not exist? Does that mean that all of this is a ruse?
I have no idea.
But that iconic pic of a 14 and a fish, most likely means just as it purported to mean: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
Don't be lazy.
Read JP's tweet feed until you find it and go back several more weeks/months.
It was pretty obvious what it referred to.
ESOTERICshade ago
Nope.
If we compared my occult knowledge to yours, yours could fit into a thimble.
Have a good day.
CantStopCrying ago
So, you went with lazy.
Go to JP Twitter and trace the origins of the Fish and the 14 pic:
https://twitter.com/johnpodesta
If it doesn't make you ultimately connect to this: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/ you didn't do the homework.
If you go back futher than when that pic originally appeared in his feed, it becomes pretty obvious that he had been promoting environmental causes for quite some while.
The pic was taken out of context, by someone who trolled you and the rest of us, picked up on by many others, who then managed to do the same thing with it.
Is it just one fact among many?
Possibly. But it has been used in meme-warfare and it didn't have the integrity to be used in that way or in any way.
And that I find concerning.
The rest of PG?
Very scary stuff, but this singular fact ought be re-thought by any sincere person.
It matters, because we need to be brave enough to check our "work".
When we get it wrong, we need to own it.
In this case, few are willing to consider that they may have gotten taken in by this one.