I hate being the one to pose questions like the following, but regarding JP, I've been concerned for some time that what is thought of as "evidence" feels pretty weak.
One piece of "evidence" that I've seen over and over again is the photo of JP with a fish and the number 14 painted on his hands.
I debunked that photo over a year ago and it has been used and re-used, bantered about and re-propped up and is still used today as proof of absolutely nothing at all.
(The debunking was in the form of a very obvious explanation: He was promoting the UN agenda related to saving the environment. All you need to do is read his Twitter for any length of time to see this is an issue he cares about.)
Goal #14 is simply: Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources...(Hence the FISH symbol and the number 14! Doh!)
The 14 and the fish are 100% directly tied to that, even on the UN website: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
I didn't join PG to particiapte in a witch-hunt or to falsely accuse people of anything.
Though it appears there are huge mysteries surrounding many OTHER facts/ideas behind PG, the echo chamber of actual bullshit needs to truly stop.
The internet should be scrubbed of that iconic 14/fish / photo and the guy should be apologized to over it. The explanation I proffered came pretty easily, just by reading many of his older tweets. His connection to environmental matters is pretty hard to overlook.
If the guy actually turns out to be just a passionate "foodie", then many here look a bit ridiculous as well.
THIS all said, IF anyone is actually hurting kids -- I have no problem with anyone continuing to do what we can, to put a stop to it and bring justice about for these priceless souls, but if all we have is a collection of assumptive facts and a fairy-tale narrative, are we doing right?
Yes. The Instagram stuff is beyond disgusting, but that wasn't JP. Yes, the bands are sick, but what does that have to do with JP? Yes, the comments by SL are over the top, but that was at CPP, not by JP.
Yes, I find JA to be uncomfortably creepy, but that isn't JP. Yes, the artwork is over-the-top disgusting, but that is TP, not JP. Spirit cooking looks reprehensible and gross, but does this prove what it has been assumed to prove?
The photo of the teddy bear in the adult bedroom is bizarre, but bizarre does not make a case such as what is implied.
Yes, I find the debunking and censorship over-the-moon bizarre, and yes, it "feels" like something is amiss in all this -- somewhere, but can we justify tormenting anyone whatsoever without any actual proof of anything at all?
I am not excusing/minimizing or making excuses for anyone. I just know for a fact that PG has gotten it wrong with several so-called smoking gun facts and is very slow to retract them -- and I find that disturbing to be a part of.
What I'm saying is that we need to be sure that this thread is always about keeping it real.
Seeking truth and telling the truth are not always the same and knowing the difference is essential.
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Blowitwideopen ago
Well, of course.....becuz pedosta LIVES AND BREATHES to "save the environment"! So everybody, let's just shut down pizzagate and go home! CASE SOLVED!!!!
CantStopCrying ago
His original tweet was from 2015: Many of his tweets are about the ocean's and environment actually.
The original Podesta fish/14 tweet from Sept. 2015! It was actually his own tweet!
https://tweetsave.com/johnpodesta/status/647493788869365762
which related to this: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
i think some of us were duped on this pic.
CantStopCrying ago
I didn't suggest that we disband.
I asked a question about a well-used "fact" that has been an Internet meme for months.
If that fact is just plain wrong, then I think it stands to reason that we mentally retract it and I also think it is reasonable to question our thinking if our thinking is colored by facts such as that.
Your sarcasm adds nothing.
Think it through:
IF a fact such as that has been used to color our thinking, then how clear is our thinking?
That is what concerns me.
Can you prove to me that the 14 and fish means anything OTHER than what it was directly connected with:
How long does this take?
Like 7 seconds: http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
That is where the 14 and the fish came from.
Hell, it is the same basic fish he drew on his hands.
How is that proof of anything?
Read his Tweet history around the time of that photo being posted.
The guy actually DOES seem to live and breathe the environment. That is why I raised this concern!
What if the stupid thing we're calling a fact is not a fact at all?
That iconic photo has gotten a shit-ton of mileage and it is likely just a monumental ruse.
This has nothing to do with ALL the other PG-related stuff, but it DOES have to do with itself and deserves sober attention.