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Votescam ago

Organized patriarchal religion is about male-supremacy ....

The Old Testament/Hebrew was written to cement patriarchy.

The New Testament delivered a hero "Jesus" -- a humanist who stood against the oppression of women and against a violent "god" and that figure has gradually been washed away/diluted by Elites who require an under-class in order to profit.

These religions underpin Elite Patriarchy which has always been connected internationally, by interests, marriage, business dealings -- whatever.

We are also now coming to awareness that ISLAM was created by the Vatican ... in order to better control the Arab world.

IF you are truly concerned with the welfare of children, don't support organized patriarchal religions -- such as those listed.... who have long been involved in the oppression of females/women.

It is the oppression of females by male-supremacists which has always permitted the sexual abuse of children by males.

INCEST is one of our oldest crimes and it is carried out by males. Fathers, Grandfathers, Brothers, Uncles, male cousins -- male friends of the family.

Additionally, all of these major religions at one time taught Reincarnation .... "which became inconvenient for Elites."

think- ago

INCEST is our oldest crime and it is carried out by males. Fathers, Grandfathers, Brothers, Uncles, male cousins -- male friends of the family.

There are also women raping kids, although the numbers are much smaller compared to male perps.

Many incest survivours report that their mothers knew about it all along, but didn't do anything about it. In the majority of cases not because the women were 'oppressed' by their husbands, but because they didn't want to change their lives (marriage, having a house, having financial support).

Women are involved in covering-up the crimes. Plus, when you look at the child rape epidemic in British cities in the past decades, Muslim women said these girls were "white trash" anyway (and deserved it). See the recent thread about "1400 girls were raped in Rotherham" here in this sub. Even white Western women sometimes will still say about a women who was raped "but then she was wearing a short skirt" "why did she go out so late at night in the first place" etc.

You know, I'm grateful for everything feminism has done to push the sexual violence issues to the agenda and to help victims. But imo you won't get the full picture when you ignore that women are implicated as well.

Votescam ago

Right ... MALES are our sexual abusers of children ....

Women do sexual abuse youths/children ... but generally (as reported) when they are under the influence of a heterosexual male.

Yes -- as in the Menendez case -- Lyle and Eric ... their mother also abused them... knew about the father and also abused them -- and while there is no excuse for it ... her husband was a powerful/wealthy man. Possibly they didn't want to change their lives fearing divorce, whatever and loss of financial support. but we can guess that FEAR was some kind of a basis for what she was doing and NOT doing.

When it comes to INCEST, these children are generally female 82% and male 12% .... May be overall higher in Muslim countries .... Keep in mind that it seems to be true that the Vatican/RCC invented ISLAM/Muslims. And we see, of course, much manipulation of Muslim nations by US/CIA ... (Catholics in Action.) A very long time ago, I came upon the rumor that the Vatican was involved in covert activities against the Muslims .... but it didn't occur to me at that time that the CIA was at their service.

And why would we expect Muslim women to suddenly be involved with advanced thinking in regard to their own gender when they've been abused and oppressed very brutally -- a few years in UK isn't going to change that overnight ... is it?

In regard to Weinstein if you read comments on threads you'll find that American women and men are making the very same kind of comments!

I've never denied that women are implicated in a very limited way in sexual abuse of children... the Catholic nuns were the most outrageous in their assisting Catholic priests in abusing deaf children ... and retarded children .... and in sexually abusing children themselves... On the other hand -- and again no excuse -- 40% of Catholic nuns were sexually and physically abused by Catholic priests. It has to be said that Catholic nuns were by every means under control/influence of RCC/ and heterosexual priests.

You also won't get full picture until you understand the relationship of the oppression of females by organized patriarchal religions has a great deal to do with their sexual interest in children -- and that women stand as protectors of their children.

Vatican made constant and totally de-powering attacks on females .... even to the death. The "Hammer of Witches" wasn't some fantasy ... the Vatican actually burned women at the stake whom they labelled as "witches."

You have to remember that most societies were based in female-centered awareness which had to do with childbirth/creation of life, but also of their knowledge of plants which are our natural medicines and drugs. All drugs are based on these plant models -- and just think of how much of that plant life and knowledge of it has been destroyed.

Specifically that Nature is Pro-Choice and provided females with many ways to control procreation -- providing ways of birth control, of the ability to prevent pregnancies, to interrupt conception, and to control fertility overall whenever they wished to end it. These plants were destroyed by patriarchy and the knowledge of them destroyed in the "Witch Hunts."

That is also where women lost any control over their own children, lost the right to inheritance of family wealth. Basically, suspicion falls on the fact that women at that time were a very notable majority (they are always a majority) but at that time many male lives had been lost in the "Crusades."

The women were inheriting the property of their dead husbands and their wealthy. That made them more powerful and the object of jealousy and conspiracy to take their worldly goods which actually happened.

Women were also displaced from "medicine."

Feminism is for EVERYONE ... the definition that I like best is Marilyn French's ... which is "Feminism is anti-domination of anyone by anyone else."

Women protect children when they have the power to do so.... We love and protect our sons equally as we protect our daughters. We support our husbands not because we have to, but because these are loving relationships when we can make them so.

females and their ability to create life.

think- ago

These plants were destroyed by patriarchy and the knowledge of them destroyed in the "Witch Hunts."

Midwives and women practising medicine were statistically not more prone to be killed as a witch than other women. Sorry, but that's something that has been debunked in the last two decades. Even most Feminist History scholars don't hold this view anymore.

What is true is that in the Early Modern period authorities set in place regulations for midwives, and often selling herbs on markets wasn't allowed anymore due to pharmacies that were owned by nobility.

That is also where women lost any control over their own children

Can't see a difference to the Middle Age period here.

lost the right to inheritance of family wealth

True, nobility changed inheritance laws because the amount of land to be inherited became smaller and smaller over time.

Basically, suspicion falls on the fact that women at that time were a very notable majority (they are always a majority) but at that time many male lives had been lost in the "Crusades."

Crusades were in the Middle Ages, witch hunts in notable numbers in the Early Modern period. In the Middle Ages, witches often were not killed, but had to leave town or were 'warned' by authorities without severe consequences.

The women were inheriting the property of their dead husbands and their wealthy. That made them more powerful and the object of jealousy and conspiracy to take their worldly goods which actually happened.

Most female witch hunt victims were poor women who hadn't the financial means and / or family members to pay for an attorney and support them.

I'd really recommend reading some new research stuff on witch hunts. As I said, even feminist scholars have debunked the "millions of wise women were killed in the witch hunts" theory.

Votescam ago

think --- Why should any women have been burned at the stake ... and why wouldn't you question that?

Why should any male-supremacist organized religion exist at all -- but even more questionably ... WHY wouldn't any such male world organization plotting the death of women they labelled "witches" be considered genocide? And why wouldn't this violent church and its psychopathic and paranoid male-supremacists be seen for the criminal murders they were?

Somehow you seem to be saying that since perhaps more females who studied plants as medicines, or perhaps more midwives weren't "statistically" burned at the stake in any higher numbers than any other women .... that's it's somehow not objectionable that ANY women whatsoever were burned at the stake. Leave alone any women with special knowledge of women's bodies, childbirth and plants/medicines?

What is true is that since that time males took over control of medicine ....even permitted to examine women and touch women as their "doctors" -- and delivering babies as "gynecologists." But, somehow, that doesn't seem odd to you.

You don't seem able to "see" very much ... however, once begun, the "Hammer of Witches" and burning of women at the stake went on for long periods and beyond the control of the Papacy.

While the Hammer of Witches was written in 1486 ....

You can see the beginning of it with Joan of Arc -- in her burning at the stake in 1431.

Joan of Arc was one of the most famous individual victims of the Inquisition... Charles VII convinced that her powers/visions did come from Heaven put Joan in charge of his army. Joan achieved her greatest military victory in 1429 in leading 4,000 men to relieve the besieged town of Orleans. Joan liberated Orleans, defeated the English in other French battles, and liberated several other French towns.

In 1430, during an attack to liberate Paris, Joan was captured by the Burgundians, and sold to the British. Joan was tried by the French Inquisition for sorcery and heresy, and burned at the stake in 1431.

http://www.ironmaidencommentary.com/?url=album10_xfactor/inquisition&lang=eng&link=albums#top

Gynocide: The Holocaust of Women

Pope Innocent VIII issued a papal bull recognizing the existence of witches. This hateful book became the most-used tool in the mass torture and murder of countless women based on supposed witchcraft or diabolism.

Estimates are extremely unreliable, but over the centuries tens or hundreds of thousands (some sources even say millions) were burned, drowned, hung or otherwise executed in Europe and North America. Some say 1 percent of victims was male, some say 10 percent, but the persecution of witches is very obviously the persecution of women.

The Malleus Maleficarum concentrated almost exclusively on women, and the men who were murdered were often accused of being accomplices rather than witches. In fact, the feminine possessive in the Latin title already says it clearly: if the book were about male witches or both sexes, it would be called Malleus Maleficorum. Women were declared to be weaker in their faith and more ‘carnal’ than men–because women make men feel ‘carnal’, of course. That’s why we’re so evil, you see, because men have historically always been incapable of taking sexual responsibility for themselves. Note how the narrative has shifted over the centuries: men are now seen as the more carnal, less sexually disciplined ones, but women’s bodies are still blamed for that.

So witch hunts, connected as they are to the perception of all that is female and/or sexual as threatening, are a means of quelling female power. The witch or sorceress is a concept that has been closely associated with the woman healer, the midwife, the mystic, the shaman. Not only female sexuality but also female knowledge has been associated with evil. Anything that makes women something other than helpless is perceived as threatening (cf. the systematic killing of medicine women so that the field of medicine could become entirely male-dominated to school girls being hunted down and shot in the head by fanatical soldiers of the patriarchy in Pakistan, for instance). Among those burned in Europe in centuries past were many women who went against the status quo or dared to claim a place for themselves (I’d touch on ‘heathen’ religions at this point, but it goes beyond the already large scope). They were eliminated, driven by a deeply misogynist church-empire and economic pressure and religious-social upheaval in the population (which does sound frighteningly similar to a few regions on the planet right now). https://passtheflamingsword.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/gynocide-the-holocaust-of-women/

Of course women of the time were threatened by and fearful of organized patriarchal religion -- male-dominated religion. Who would think otherwise?

And of course the Inquisition and the Holocaust of Women resulted in their loss of control over their children ... and to inheritance rights ... This led to times when women could be committed -- and were committed -- to insane asylums simply based on statements by a husband suggesting confusion or strange ideas. This forced women into marriage in order to survive. This pattern is repeated at any time and everywhere that women are deprived of income and forced to resort to the streets. We saw children forced to the streets as child prostitutes in the UK during the Victorian Age. And we saw children here forced to the streets and sexually abused during the "Robber Baron" days in America and child labor. These patterns are constantly repeated.

And I'd add that it was well into the 1970's before women had the right to secure credit and to buy a home or any other property in their own name ......

I don't know what feminists you've been talking with but they sound more like professional anti-feminists.

If you were talking with actual feminists they might have mentioned the missing women all over the globe ... especially odd because females tend to be the majority in every society ... usually at numbers as high as 54%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women

True, nobility changed inheritance laws because the amount of land to be inherited became smaller and smaller over time.

Basically, suspicion falls on the fact that women at that time were a very notable majority (they are always a majority) but at that time many male lives had been lost in the "Crusades."

Crusades took place in the Middle Ages, witch hunts in notable numbers in the Early Modern period. In the Middle Ages, witches often were not killed, but had to leave town or were merely 'warned' by authorities without severe consequences.

The women were inheriting the property of their dead husbands and their wealthy. That made them more powerful and the object of jealousy and conspiracy to take their worldly goods which actually happened.

Most female witch hunt victims were poor women who hadn't the financial means and / or family members to pay for an attorney and support them.

I'd really recommend reading some new research stuff on witch hunts. As I said, even feminist scholars have debunked the "millions of wise women were killed in the witch hunts" theory.

See: http://www.controverscial.com/A%20History%20of%20The%20Malleus%20Maleficarum.htm

Votescam ago

Men were called "warlocks."

As the slightest effort at research will reveal...women were removed from medicine and their knowledge of plants was destroyed

And so were the plants.

Women in the South Sea Islands evidently still use Papaya .. .which when taken for a week will cause a fertilized egg to be UNABLE to
adhere to the lining of the womb. It's also the basis for RU486... so yes some of the knowledge still exists and some of the plants.

Don't know what history you've been reading but ...

** The Malleus Maleficarum (The Witch Hammer), first published in 1486, is arguably one of the most infamous books ever written, due primarily to its position and regard during the Middle Ages.**

It served as a guidebook for Inquisitors during the Inquisition, and was designed to aid them in the identification, prosecution, and dispatching of Witches. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal12.htm**

"Whether the Belief that there are such Beings as Witches is so Essential a Part of the Catholic Faith that Obstinacy to maintain the Opposite Opinion manifestly savors of Heresy."

And don't know what fake professioal anti-feminists you may be mistaking for feminists... but until the 1970's **... repeating 1970's **.... women here still didn't have the right to securing credit under their own name. They still required a male as co-signer.

Imagine that for hundreds of years now we've had males delivering children --- NOT that husbands weren't welcome to assist ... it was a great education for them, in fact -- an awakening when it did happening.

But the displacement of midwives and the idea that males know anything about the female body is ludicrous. But now, women are proctologists ... which I guess is a little evening up of the situation ... !!