Repost of deleted item -- link to original below.
While most of Q's offerings align with what researchers here have found over the past year -- there are things that don't jibe.
It's important that this community take a moment to think on those things Q and other high-ranking anons are saying that don't ring true for each of us, and compile them so we can review, see what others are thinking, and, if necessary, escape any groupthink and/or confirmatory bias that might have swept us up in the excitement.
Three things off the top of my head:
The Las Vegas narrative they offered seems even more far-fetched than anything that's come out of LVMPD and the FBI so far.
The Saudis-afraid-of-fracking narrative seems similarly far-fetched. Clinton was NOT going to stop fracking if she'd been elected.
The Saudi-Rothchild-Soros triangle is, as we know, over-simplistic and misdirectional.
Pizzagate-related because if we're being intentionally led off track, we need to regroup and refocus on our purpose here. If everything looks fine after we calmly review it, then we can more forward with more confidence.
Reposted with obligatory link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlG6MpIh6Mo (no real new info here -- couldn't find anything that truly addresses the topic I'm raising)
Link to original post -- good comments, please read: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2252303
Also cross-posted to /pizzagatewhatever -- more good comments here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2252304
Commenters @11-11 @angelafogo @ESOTERICshade @think @SoldierofLight @Cantilever @Oh_Well_ian -- just a heads up in case you'd like to repost comments here.
Thanks all for your patience. I'm learning my way around.
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newworldahead ago
Uh oh, I smell a "negative day" in the Pizzagate subverse. People, be careful not to adopt the mentality of a resigned victim, such as "Meh nothing will be done anyway, they're too powerful, we're all screwed, everything is a psyop, boo hoo hoo!". That's what they want you to believe. Be strong, stand tall and fill your heart with optimism.
Oh_Well_ian ago
this is a post by @ESOTERICshade and follows his pattern of brigading this sub with his alt accounts and his Debbie Downer narrative
exactly what you said... ' we're fucked, they're too powerful, give up '
chabon ago
Wow. This is NOT by @ESOTERICshade and most definitely NOT a Debbie Downer narrative. FFS.
Really? Doesn't it seem a bit strange that we cannot come together to rationally look at the Q phenomenon and decide whether it helps us or hurts us?
I'm NOT saying "we're fucked, they're too powerful, give up." I'm saying we might need to get smarter, faster about how we deal with this.
If Q is your last hope of us overcoming the Cabal -- and Q turns out to be shit -- what then? Then where will your hope be? THAT is my concern: that we will all devote however much cognitive and emotional energy into Q, only to learn, when we're exhausted, that it was never real.
ESOTERICshade ago
I agree and will add. Pizzagate got where it is because it was a decentralized movement with no leader. It was comprised of people that know how to think instead of being told what to think.
An organization of this nature is almost impossible to derail unless you knock out its communication platform completely.
Q is setting himself up as a leader. Nobdy knows where Q is headed or what Q's true motives are.
Q makes grandiose claims of being an insider in the Trump administration involved in an elaborate secret coup. I will not lend my energy and time to that, and give up my own independent thinking, to follow an anonymous person who makes such grandiose claims.
Vindicator ago
Not trying be a dick, but...Where exactly does Q do either of these things? Please link and quote so folks can judge for themselves.
ESOTERICshade ago
I will restate that then:
Q has been credited as being a person with high level secret clearance inside the Trump administration. Some believe Q is Trump himself.
Q is posting from an anonymous message board named 4 Chan and is world famous for some of the biggest larps in modern internet history.
Vindicator ago
Neither of those really matters, though. What we should be debating is the actual leaks themselves, right? These two statements are basically saying "4chan is full of trolls", which is obviously true. It adds nothing to the debate.
ESOTERICshade ago
These do not qualify as "leaks" in my opinion because Q is literally what is known as a "4chan autist" or I will tone it down from there to say "a poster on a message board."
People are following Q's "rabbit trails" in a leader/follower fashion. I do not trust Q nor should I.
Vindicator ago
So your argument is we shouldn't vet this because anything emanating from 4chan is fake bs?
That would mean Pizzagate itself should be dismissed because the food code information that led people to search the Podesta emails for "cheese pizza" came from 4chan.
ESOTERICshade ago
That is not my argument. My opinion is that Q's credibility as any sort of leader should not be given any credence because he cannot be vetted.
Opinions came in from all over the world and flooded into places like 4 Chan, Redditt, and others.
Many people are of the opinion that perfectly valid pedophile related research was continually deleted that met the rules. These same people are frustrated by the fact that such latitude is given to this subject. My opinon is like some others, that it demoralized the community and made it stagnant compared to what it once was.
To your credit you did not participate in deleting the pedophile related research people are frustrated about. You and I have a record of working well together, such as on the CPP settings in the sidebar. I went out of my to prove you right on that because I knew it was good for the sub.
We can parse words all day bro. I like you, but I don't want to dance like this all day. :)