Russia Scandal Befalls Two Brothers: John and Tony Podesta
By KENNETH P. VOGELNOV. 10, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/us/politics/john-tony-podesta-mueller-russia-investigation.html
WASHINGTON — One is a rail-thin liberal idealist who spent his career in government, on campaigns and at think tanks. The other is an overweight pragmatist who made a fortune lobbying for all manner of liberal boogeymen.
And now, in a twist with Shakespearean undertones, the two influential Washington brothers have found themselves on opposite sides of the scandals over Russian interference in the 2016 election.
John D. Podesta, perhaps more than anyone except Hillary Clinton, was a victim of the Russian cyberassault on allies of her presidential campaign, of which he was the chairman. Emails stolen from his personal Gmail account were dribbled out by WikiLeaks last fall, revealing the embarrassing rifts roiling the campaign and Washington’s Democratic establishment. He has pushed hard for an aggressive investigation of Russia’s role in the election.
Last week’s indictment did not name the Podesta Group or another firm with which it worked on the Ukraine account, Mercury Public Affairs. Instead, the indictment referred to them as “two Washington, D.C., firms” that were recruited by Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates.
While both firms disclosed the work to Congress under less-rigorous domestic lobbying rules, they did not initially register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. The indictment alleges that was done intentionally — by routing the money through a Brussels-based nonprofit — “to minimize public disclosure of their lobbying campaign” that “was under the ultimate direction” of Mr. Yanukovych, his party and his government.
Which of course was obfuscation due to his known extremely close ties to HILLARY CLINTON and her influence in the State Department, The Clinton Foundation, and the upcoming election.
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srayzie ago
I can't wait until Podesta can't hold back and makes another dumb tweet. He's angry! All the memes people send him crack me up!
argosciv ago
Do you forgive me and my previous stomping yet? ;)
srayzie ago
If you are sorry i do 🙂
argosciv ago
We've been through that :P ah shit, what a ride it's been!
Still more to come, but, let's bask in some victory glow for a while :)
srayzie ago
Ahhh shit lol. Ok 🙂
argosciv ago
Just burying this here, cbf messaging in private.
Having extreme difficulty in winding down to sleep T_T only got 2 hours shut-eye in the last 36+
Valium should kick in soon though.
@Wisconsin_Is_Corrupt @carmencita @alphabravo @Vindicator @Dressage2
carmencita ago
Get off the Valium and get enough sleep and cut down on your liquor. If you are taking Valium you should not be drinking. I know from experience. They made me High as a Kite. I was on them years ago and almost got killed crossing the street. It clouds your judgement. I finally cut them in half and slowly took myself off. Bad News all around. Just Sayin'.
bopper ago
Hey Carmencita, I'm tapering off Klonopin. How was your "detox"? Did you have any bad w/drawals or did it go fairly smoothly? Benzos are extremely nasty. Wicked stuff that will wreck your life. Doctors haven't a clue. Never made me "high," just drowsy.
ESOTERICshade ago
This will speed along helping your body thoroughly flush the drugs from your system. Its also like an organic body fixer upper medicine cabinet in a jar. Perhaps the most important natural medicine on the planet. I take two teaspoons a day. Every two or three weeks I skip a week, just because I think I should. Known to be good for more than over 600 health ailments. Nothing like it and one of the most studied substances on the planet. Do not take the curcumin extract because when you extract something it removes and isolates it from the rest of the elements in the turmeric and it is no longer a compound. Its the synergistic effects of the whole compound, the whole root, that does the trick.
Capsules are a waste of money. Get a whole pound cheap. Lock it up in a mason jar and put it in a dark cabinet. It will last for years in a mason jar.
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http://www.greenmedinfo.com/guide/health-guide-turmeric
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/substance/turmeric
Same instructions as above. Also very good for you. After a few days you will have less anxiety and depression. Its like ginseng in its properties. Its an adaptogen. After a couple of weeks you will notice a lot more chill...
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bopper ago
Thanks much for this, and good to hear from a survivor. My natural doc has me on some of this, it's capsule, I'll ask him about powder form. It's for adrenal fatigue brought on by benzos. We used amino acid therapy to detox from an SSRI and Suboxone. I never drank or smoked dope. Body can't handle it. Amino acids were to balance neurotransmitters and reach "homeostasis" again in the brain, urine tests which reflect brain chemistry were used to achieve balance. Thanks again.
ESOTERICshade ago
Powder form is simply a much more economical way to do it basically. You also have a better chain of custody about exactly where the product came from and what it really is. Bu the time the product hits the capsule machine there are more steps involved to dilute it with fillers. You can call mountain rose and ask them questions. Nice people. Like any business you might not get through to the actual buyer of the product on the first call but it can be done. You also probably get fresher stuff.
bopper ago
Nice place, I just bookmarked it. Thanks. Yes, my doc is big on purity and chain of custody. Has a hard time finding good stuff, getting some stuff from France even. The macuna we use, only one manufacturer is up to snuff, macuna is L-Dopa natural form. I will talk to him about these things. He's the best, glad I found him.
ESOTERICshade ago
That is interesting as hell. Wasn't the movie "rain man" about using L dopa and in the end, after miracles, all patients reverted to their catatonic states? I always wondered if that test was done using synthetics and that is why it failed. That was based on a true story right?
bopper ago
"Awakenings" w/ Robert de Niro. Great movie. True story, based on work of Oliver Saks (sp?) w/ these catatonic people. I think it failed because the other "co-factors" needed such as 5-HTP and a few others weren't used nor their importance understood. W/out these the neurotransmitters become unbalanced leading to destructive deficits. This is the problem w/ modern antidepressants and other psych drugs, including L-Dopa, used for Parkinson's. We use only pure, natural macuna, comes from a legume.
ESOTERICshade ago
Wish I had a doc like that. Is he an O.D.? Osteopathic Physician?
bopper ago
Naturopathic doctor. The guy is great, Dr. Chad Oler, we call him Dr. Chad.
http://naturalpathhealthcenter.com/about-the-center/about-naturopathy/
ESOTERICshade ago
typo: more steps involved and a chance that someone could dilute it with fillers
carmencita ago
Well, must admit this was a long time ago. The doctor warned me to not go cold turkey, so I did it very slowly. The first week I remember only cutting in half two pills and did that for a couple weeks then 3 pills. Remember I was on 30 mg. a day. Shocking. In those days all women's problems were solved by giving them valiums or something similar. The doctor was clearly trying to keep me on them. So I had to slowly do this on my own. I recommend you might find info on the internet or from a natural doctor for advice as well if possible. At the time there was not internet for backup help. I was going through a divorce and this was the recommended remedy. WTH?
bopper ago
Wow Carmencita, that's a drag. Yeah back then there was no help at all. You were taking "Mothers' Little Helpers" I assume you know that song. 30 mg a day is indeed shocking, but I've heard of worse. At least your doc knew not to go cold turkey, kudos to him, and to you for tapering off. Good job. Yes, I have plenty info and help, I'll be off them soon. Took them for years for insomnia, just made matters worse, much worse. Thank-you.
ESOTERICshade ago
For alcoholics the ashwagandha is also a godsend. It can eliminate the anxiety that causes the urge to drink. I don't know if it would work for an active drinker though because the body will be so screwed up it might not be able to process the ashwagandha properly. If an alcoholic can stop drinking and stabilize his system, and take this, its like a gift from the god. Was for me.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2237373/11051874
carmencita ago
Glad to help :)
argosciv ago
Er, excuse me, I haven't had any booze in weeks, back the fuck off.
I know full well how to handle concoctions that some cannot, there's also some concotions that I absolutely cannot handle.
I took the valium for much needed rest(just briefly now got up to go to the toilet, heading back to bed now)
I appreciate the concern behind what you're saying, but, I'm no fuckin junkie.
srayzie ago
Be nice to her! She was only trying to help. She's the motherly type. Your mood swings are getting out of control. You obviously are not handling your concoctions well.
argosciv ago
Read my reply, shit... That wasn't even a mood swing lol. Here is the ultimate problem with text - it's devoid of audible connotation - if it were possible to hear how I would have said what I typed, it would come across a little less hostile and more just literally a tired misunderstanding.
srayzie ago
She doesn't even curse. That's really disrespectful.
argosciv ago
Poor choice of words given that it wasn't audible. I was quick to apologise, though, was I not?
I'm from Australia, we swear(or curse, as others call it) casually and more often than not, without malice. I responded the way I did, due to percieved disrespect aimed at me; it was a misunderstanding on at least my part, if not the both of us. Downvoating me for expressing to others that I'm having trouble sleeping, though... do we call that disrespectful too? Or am I just a cunt?
srayzie ago
I am not the one downvoting everything. I only did your mean ones. Just because i got mad at you for being that way to Carmencita, doesn't mean i follow you around downvoting you
argosciv ago
My apologies for misattributed downvoats, if it truly is not you, then it's clear that the actual stalkers are here again.
carmencita ago
I only meant it as a warning. You have taken my suggestion too seriously. I was simply warning you to not imbibe even accidentally. I never said you were a junkie. This has happened to many people when not thinking or calculating. Sorry you took it so personally.
srayzie ago
You did nothing wrong Carmencita. You were showing concern.
carmencita ago
TY. That is exactly how I meant it. Having had a horrible experience myself. I realized the gravity of the drug when I could not cross a street by myself. The only way to cross was to watch when others crossed. That was my cue. Then I just realized how dangerous that was as well. This was decades ago when I trusted doctors, not anymore.
srayzie ago
Well I don't know why he would ping people if he doesn't want a reaction. That makes no sense. His constant mood swings are showing he's not handling it well. I told him what I thought so he'll probably be all mad but oh well. I don't think he should disrespect you and cuss at you the way he did. Not to the ones he's supposed to be "friends" with. His mood swings are annoying.
carmencita ago
Yes, and I spent countless hours and days researching his many connections to Wisconsin and Rigby. I did it because I believed in it but did not expect this reaction. Oh well, time to move on.
srayzie ago
Well him and I were kind of tight in the past too but i'm not dealing with that crap.
carmencita ago
Yes, me too.
argosciv ago
Excuse my hostility and/or misreading, seemed as though you were assuming that I am misusing alcohol and/or Valium, which could not be further from the truth.
Again, sorry if I misunderstood any of what you were saying - off to bed again for me.
Entheogenic - Gaia Sophia
srayzie ago
You've talked about your issues here before. She was showing concern for you and giving you advice. If you don't want a reaction then why post it?