Re-Post (2) UPDATE: If Hollywood perverts and pedofiles are real news, why is Pizzagate fake news? (pizzagate)

submitted ago by 2impendingdoom

Despite all the overwhelming circumstantial evidence, Pizzagate has been labeled "fake news". So why are people dismissing this story when children are being abused?

Per Rules 2&4 Updated to add link to assertion of fake news:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-38156985

"The saga of 'Pizzagate': The fake story that shows how conspiracy theories spread"

@Blacksmith raised an interesting question and it made me wonder what people really think, so I reposted it in v/politics where I thought it would get more attention.

If you are also curious, here is what they are saying.

https://voat.co/v/politics/2213331

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Are_we__sure ago

The simple answer is the circumstantial evidence is not any where close to overwhelming and not only you have not proven that children are being abused, you have no proven that there any crimes whatsoever connected to the Podesta email leak.

The claim that code was used in the Podesta emails to cover up for wrongdoing is an unproven assertion for which there is no evidence. That is one unproven claim. There's a second claim that the wrongdoing involves pedophilia. There are mutliple other claims that are then bult on top of this, child trafficking, murder, cannibalism. These mountains of claims rest on foundation that is tissue thin and they fall apart with the slightest rational poke.

It was labeled as fake because it relied on fake evidence like this

http://mediawhores.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/pedo-code-language-pizza-gate.jpg

It relies on the previous fake story that Marina Abramovic is some occult figure as opposed to a provocative performance artist.

Please show how you can connect the Podesta emails to a single crime without dubious speculation or fake evidence.

Judgejewdy ago

Well, marina has acknowledged that she's an occultist so the basis of your argument falls apart right there. But thank you for helping us get back on track.

Are_we_sure ago

Marina is a meditating Tibetan Buddhist if she is anything. Please show me where she said she is a an occultist.

Judgejewdy ago

One example - She studies and practices shamanism: https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2013/12/maria-abramovic-art-basel. Shamanism is occult: https://www.allaboutspirituality.org/shamanism.htm (And i used non-religious sources - of you really want to dig into creepy stuff about shamanism - demonism, etc - it's there.)

Are_we__sure ago

I would disagree that Shamanism is occult (correctly or incorrectly). I think it's more New Agey, but I could see that others would definitely classify it this way. So you do have a point. I guess I mainly think of occultism to be equal to Satanism or dark spirituality. I still not agree that is an occult figure, but as an artist who is interested in ritual and the occult. That is an important distinction that people have tried to erase. For example, Martin Scorsese is an artist interested in and influenced Catholicism, but he is an artist, not a Cardinal.

But on some level, she's like an anthropologist, she is a visitor on a trip*, an outsider. In terms of her "practicing" shamanism, I read that more like the article than that headline--that she went there to study shamanism, not that she practices it all the time. Probably with her other explorations she picked up what she liked and what she could use in her art. She also spent like a year with Australian Aborigines and went to a Tibetan monastery. She has been attracted to rituals/spirituality almost her whole career, ritual and performance having some connection. Her family tradition is of belief and nonbelief. She has an uncle who is an Orthodox Christian Saint, but her parents were Communists who didn't believe. One of her main goals when she take this trips is she is looking for artistic inspiration.

She has described herself as a Tibetan Buddhist and meditation seems to be a very big part of her art, where she has to endure the performance for long periods of time and be very focused and it seems to be a big part of the artistic method she is teaching. http://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/5914/marina-abramovic-neon-mai-athens-performance-art-interview

TCJ: Do people respond to MAI differently in different places? What has the response been so far in Greece?

MA: I find the Greeks incredibly emotional. The culture is very close to me because it's Orthodox, like in ex-Yugoslavia. My grandmother was Orthodox too, and even though my father and mother were communists, I was very connected to the spiritual elements of Orthodox faith. I became a Tibetan Buddhist myself.

TCJ: Do you view the Method's exercises as spiritual?

MA: I never mention it, but they are in many ways because I arrived at them through my own experience. They all deal with our impatience to really quiet our mind and be in the present moment. They all have this same goal but different ways of achieving it. Even the lying in bed: it's incredible how many people could not close their eyes and how tense they become. Because you're quiet, you've got headphones on, and all that you're left with is your crazy mind. That's a huge enemy.

She has been invited by the Tibetan Buddhists to do art pieces for them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4JJH2tfIgg

*By the way, there was movie made about her trip to Brazil. Apparently her first psychedelic trip was horrible, but the second one went better.