migratorypatterns ago

Obviously, this story has legs. Look at the major pushback it's getting.

The shills only come out when the cages where the children are held are being rattled. I wonder if The Cannibal Queen will have access to blood drinking in prison?

Are_we_sure ago

One of the arguments of the article is that we exchanged spies with the Russians it was a lopsided deal. It was if you just measure 11 by 4.

However the most important of the Russians was a couple where the woman worked as a financial planner

The people who released from Russian prisoners were higher level.

An arms control researcher .....collected open-source data on Russian nuclear submarines and missile warning systems, analysed and provided it to a British consulting firm.

A colonel in Russia's Military Intelligence Service, who gave away the identities of a number of Russian agents.

An operative in Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service.

A KGB officer who worked for external intelligence and counter-intelligence departments

Mrs_Ogynist01 ago

Just to be clear, this is the only opposition you have to this article?

Also, since you have the info on our spies, can you also list the credentials on the Russian spies that we arrested. I think getting into the inner circle of the United States Secretary of State would make that one spy pretty damn high level.

Are_we_sure ago

I think there's tons of problems with the much larger theory this article is part of (but it would make for even more verbose posts than my usual treatises, so I'm letting this play out. We are getting a one sided presentation of the facts through partisan media. To me it seems a transparent attempt to WHATABBOUT Trump's Russia problem and smear the FBI. They know indictments are coming and they need their fans to worked up not just about Comey, but also about Mueller, and Rosenstein and basically law enforcement generally, because so many on Team Trump are about to be defendants.) One problem with the larger theory particularly is that it treats Hillary Clinton as if she were the President of the United States. The article acts the spy swap happened because otherwise it would have been embarrassing to the Hillary The spy swap would have been approved by the President with input from the Intel Community and the National Security Council and it fit squarely within one of President's main foreign policy goals vis a vis Russia: The Russian Reset. The idea was to see if we could work better with after things had gotten pretty tense when Russia went to war on the Republic of Georgia in 2008. We supplied aid to Georgia and sanctioned Russia. When Obama came in he wanted to ease these tensions. We worked out a deal that allowed US military plans to fly supplies to Afghanistan over Russia Airpsace in 2009 and in April of 2010 we signed a new nuclear weapons reduction agreement. In May of 2010 we got Russia to agree to strong new set UN sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program.

So this is the background for what was going on with Russia. If you ignore that use Hillary Clinton as the prism to view this through, it's a distortion. In fact, it's exactly the same distortion used on the UraniumOne story. The sale of UraniumOne was approved by the US government including the Department of Defense and Homeland Security. In fact, at the time, Clinton was portrayed as to be less optimistic than Obama about if we could achieve a reset in relations with Russia and in the longer term she was right. This was especially true after Putin returned the Presidency and things changed for the worst. But at the time there were some wins. The nuclear treaty still needed to ratified by the Senate and this played into Obama's decision to make the swap.

can you also list the credentials on the Russian spies that we arrested.

Yeah, this is all from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program

I thought people knew about the details of these spies because of the recent articles. The 11 people we detained had no official cover meaning they had to support themselves and get full time jobs in America, so they couldn't devote their full time to spying like someone working out of the Russian embassy. None of these folks were in very sensitive positions, nothing anywhere near equvailent to the people in the KGB/FSB/GRU/SVR that we got. They didn't have specialized knowledge or access, the thing they had that most valuable was the fact that they were sleeper agents, however a few still had thick Russian accents. Their goals seemed to be gather open source (i.e. non-classified) information and develop relationships that might be pay off down the line.

I think getting into the inner circle of the United States Secretary of State would make that one spy pretty damn high level.

Except that didn't happen. First off they were under surveillance for years

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57ca689c/turbine/sdut-in-this-frame-grab-image-from-20160902/512/512x288

Secondly, Lidiya Guryev aka Cynthia Murphy was Alan Patricof's financial advisor. Patricof ran an investment bank Greycroft Partners. This is not being "the inner circle of the United States Secretary of State." He's not Jake Sullivan. Most likely they would have tried to use to him to meet other folks and work their way up the ladder. Also this was the point the FBI shut them down.

After this case

As for who the folks we traded were

Anna Chapman worked at NetJets and Barclays in London and was a model and ran a real estate company in the USA

Mikhail Anatolyevich Vasenkov and Vicky Peláez - He went to grad school and taught a class for one semester at Baruch College before being let go. She was a reporter for El Diario La Prensa, a Spanish language newspaper with a circulation of 35,000.

Andrey Bezrukov and Yelena Vavilova - He studied for a Master's in Public Adminstration at Harvard and worked for the World Future Society. She worked in real estate.

Vladimir and Lidiya Guryev - She got an MBA at Columbia and worked for Financial Services Company. He was a house husband possibly the only one of the group who could spy full time. These two were considered the most important.

Mikhail Kutsik and Nataliya Pereverzeva "worked for several different jobs over the years including telecom company accountant, car salesman, and teleconference firm employee. Pereverzeva was a stay-at-home mom who cared for their toddler son named Kenny; a second son was born in late 2009."

2impendingdoom ago

you are so sure about so much Paule, how is the family?

Are_we_sure ago

????

Also are you doubting the facts I just laid out? just google spy swap 2010 and find out it.

Oh_Well_ian ago

I appreciate AWS confirming that this story is bullshit. Looks like the Deep State is trying to blame Hillary on the Russians, when she is actually CIA.

migratorypatterns ago

Wait a minute!!!! Your argument for this story being false is that The Cannibal Queen is even DIRTIER and more INDICTABLE?!!!!

Okay .... well, that's a Liisa Bloom-worthy defense.

Are_we_sure ago

??????

Can you explain what you are talking about?

2impendingdoom ago

yes, the Clintons CIA involvement goes back to Arkansas, GHW Bush, Mena airport drug running, Barry Seal etc.

Oh_Well_ian ago

yep... long before that, too. Both Bill and Hillary were recruited in college by the CIA, but were on the radar earlier, too. Remember the iconic photo of Bill shaking hands with JFK ? That was his FIRST photo op as a CIA asset as a member of 'BOYS NATION' in 1963, the year JFK was murdered by the State. Hillary finding a seat on the Watergate team was no mistake, either. She was a mole within the prosecution.

2impendingdoom ago

yes, and the pic of Bush and Bill in Kennebunkport. even snope can't deny it.

https://www.snopes.com/photograph-clinton-bush-wallace/

Oh_Well_ian ago

Here is another pic of another Wallace with HW..

This one is Mac Wallace, LBJ's purported hit man and the owner of the only finger prints found on boxes in the 6th floor window of the TBD.