I don't see a direct relevance to pizzagate. I scanned through it, and even tried to go through a second time to find the direct link. The equivalent of "something fucky" doesn't establish a direct relevance to pizzagate as defined in the sidebar.
In this case, you've got a member of the elite -- the mayor of Seattle -- having to resign over multiple underage sexual abuse allegations which were covered up by the justice system at the time -- who pushes back against the Progressive trashing of the city via homeless camps and then suddenly his past becomes relevant and he's out (i.e. as if PG blackmail engaged). I don't know how you could have a better example of directly related to PG! I see three direct connections, any ONE of which makes it legit:
The mayor of a major city is resigning for sexually abusing kids
The kids complained at the time, but the justice system covered it up
Suddenly, that "justice" system has revoked the mayor's Get Out of Jail Free pass for some reason -- potentially a prime example of the major theory of Pizzagate: that pedos are put in positions of power so they can be blackmailed
The OP documented everything he could find related to this situation and presented it to voaters with a "something stinks, but I don't know what" headline, and it gets deleted because he couldn't put all the pieces together himself or figure out how Voat formatting works. Tons of work down the toilet, from his point of view (most users don't realize how easy it is to repost things from Removed Submissions, or where to find it).
Plus, it really feeds the shill narrative that we're just a honeypot here.
It would be one thing if it had a few legit points and then a bunch of swiss-cheese argumentation pushing some retarded narrative with unrelated bits of unsourced information. We get tons of those disinfo posts. But this seemed to me like a serious attempt to round up all the available information on a PG related topic to try to get to the bottom of it with many eyeballs. Isn't that the whole point of this subverse?
It's a nice thought that people should post their works-in-progress on pgwhatever for collaboration, and then post a polished piece on the main board after the work has been done, but that's not how things actually function. No one subscribes to that sub so people don't see what's posted there unless they are pinged in specifically by the OP. Posts don't get more than a few eyeballs in that sub.
Expecting "works in progress" to be posted there first just kills the momentum -- especially when Voat is supposed to be an uncensored venue. It's just not intuitive for people. Instead of expecting v/pizzagate to be the internet's glossy, four-color, hardbound official Pizzagate encyclopedia, we would really be better off with a special, curated, separate sub for best-of-the-best PG research, and let the hashing out happen on the main sub with all the subscribers who want to get involved, IMHO.
Nothing is "down the drain," though. ALL OP has to do is copy/paste the post as a new post and explain what he means by "something stinks," or alternatively, just get rid of the clickbait all-caps claims in the title that he didn't even try to explain in the post. The large block quotes also need explanation (as to their relevance). Otherwise, it just smacks of being a giant slide/distraction post. On that note, the username "Omega777" reminds me of Jem777, one of Amalek's groupies (more likely one of his alts, actually). Not going to accuse the user/account, here. Just a bit of yellow flag.
You know it, I know it, but if a user is burned out by gathering all of the research on this god-awful subject, getting it typed into Voat and hyperlinked without accidentally hitting the back button, only to see it deleted for editorial reasons, HE may not know it. Especially infrequent posters. If the user is an abuse survivor or close to one, or a frustrated member of law enforcement unable to bust elite perps, removing a post on a legit topic with real links made to a 'free speech' forum for rewriting may be a huge morale blow.
I think we would do well to ask ourselves what the purpose of this sub is. Is it to curate the best PG content, where clear, concise, hard-hitting research posts that demonstrate Pizzagate is not Fake News is the top priority? Is it to provide a place where investigators can collaborate and encourage each other without fear of censorship? Is it to expose and debunk the false narratives pushed by Amalek and other pedo-loving shills? We need to be clear what order these priorities fall in and make sure our rules and administration of them doesn't have the unintended consequence of derailing any of them. This investigation should be gratifying for people, or they will stop trying.
This was my explanation when I removed the post: "please tell us what you mean when you say it doesn't add up. you went to so much effort to list all those links and paste all that text. please give us the upshot in the title or in an explanation at the top of your post. thx."
I don't see how that is discouraging, telling him to repost with a bit of explanation. He was free to discuss with me, but chose not to. I also pinged him in my comment yesterday in this thread, and no response as of yet. If he will put in all that "effort" to pull a bunch of links off google and paste a bunch of text with no explanation and a clickbait title, then you'd think he would put in the slight effort to add a bit of explanation and repost, but my money is betting he won't, at least not for a while, because it's probably Amalek, so there probably is no explanation, and he probably won't log into that account for a while and see this thread again. The users that actually are here to contribute do not get discouraged easily, and are willing to work with mods.
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Crensch ago
And in rule 1 for the entire post:
Here's where I am currently, @kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion @Vindicator @Millennial_Falcon -
I don't see a direct relevance to pizzagate. I scanned through it, and even tried to go through a second time to find the direct link. The equivalent of "something fucky" doesn't establish a direct relevance to pizzagate as defined in the sidebar.
Did I miss something?
Vindicator ago
In this case, you've got a member of the elite -- the mayor of Seattle -- having to resign over multiple underage sexual abuse allegations which were covered up by the justice system at the time -- who pushes back against the Progressive trashing of the city via homeless camps and then suddenly his past becomes relevant and he's out (i.e. as if PG blackmail engaged). I don't know how you could have a better example of directly related to PG! I see three direct connections, any ONE of which makes it legit:
The OP documented everything he could find related to this situation and presented it to voaters with a "something stinks, but I don't know what" headline, and it gets deleted because he couldn't put all the pieces together himself or figure out how Voat formatting works. Tons of work down the toilet, from his point of view (most users don't realize how easy it is to repost things from Removed Submissions, or where to find it).
Plus, it really feeds the shill narrative that we're just a honeypot here.
It would be one thing if it had a few legit points and then a bunch of swiss-cheese argumentation pushing some retarded narrative with unrelated bits of unsourced information. We get tons of those disinfo posts. But this seemed to me like a serious attempt to round up all the available information on a PG related topic to try to get to the bottom of it with many eyeballs. Isn't that the whole point of this subverse?
It's a nice thought that people should post their works-in-progress on pgwhatever for collaboration, and then post a polished piece on the main board after the work has been done, but that's not how things actually function. No one subscribes to that sub so people don't see what's posted there unless they are pinged in specifically by the OP. Posts don't get more than a few eyeballs in that sub.
Expecting "works in progress" to be posted there first just kills the momentum -- especially when Voat is supposed to be an uncensored venue. It's just not intuitive for people. Instead of expecting v/pizzagate to be the internet's glossy, four-color, hardbound official Pizzagate encyclopedia, we would really be better off with a special, curated, separate sub for best-of-the-best PG research, and let the hashing out happen on the main sub with all the subscribers who want to get involved, IMHO.
@VictorSteinerDavion @Kevdude
Millennial_Falcon ago
Nothing is "down the drain," though. ALL OP has to do is copy/paste the post as a new post and explain what he means by "something stinks," or alternatively, just get rid of the clickbait all-caps claims in the title that he didn't even try to explain in the post. The large block quotes also need explanation (as to their relevance). Otherwise, it just smacks of being a giant slide/distraction post. On that note, the username "Omega777" reminds me of Jem777, one of Amalek's groupies (more likely one of his alts, actually). Not going to accuse the user/account, here. Just a bit of yellow flag.
@Omega777 @kevdude @Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion
Vindicator ago
You know it, I know it, but if a user is burned out by gathering all of the research on this god-awful subject, getting it typed into Voat and hyperlinked without accidentally hitting the back button, only to see it deleted for editorial reasons, HE may not know it. Especially infrequent posters. If the user is an abuse survivor or close to one, or a frustrated member of law enforcement unable to bust elite perps, removing a post on a legit topic with real links made to a 'free speech' forum for rewriting may be a huge morale blow.
I think we would do well to ask ourselves what the purpose of this sub is. Is it to curate the best PG content, where clear, concise, hard-hitting research posts that demonstrate Pizzagate is not Fake News is the top priority? Is it to provide a place where investigators can collaborate and encourage each other without fear of censorship? Is it to expose and debunk the false narratives pushed by Amalek and other pedo-loving shills? We need to be clear what order these priorities fall in and make sure our rules and administration of them doesn't have the unintended consequence of derailing any of them. This investigation should be gratifying for people, or they will stop trying.
@Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion @sensitive @kevdude @Honeybee_
Millennial_Falcon ago
This was my explanation when I removed the post: "please tell us what you mean when you say it doesn't add up. you went to so much effort to list all those links and paste all that text. please give us the upshot in the title or in an explanation at the top of your post. thx."
I don't see how that is discouraging, telling him to repost with a bit of explanation. He was free to discuss with me, but chose not to. I also pinged him in my comment yesterday in this thread, and no response as of yet. If he will put in all that "effort" to pull a bunch of links off google and paste a bunch of text with no explanation and a clickbait title, then you'd think he would put in the slight effort to add a bit of explanation and repost, but my money is betting he won't, at least not for a while, because it's probably Amalek, so there probably is no explanation, and he probably won't log into that account for a while and see this thread again. The users that actually are here to contribute do not get discouraged easily, and are willing to work with mods.
@Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion @sensitive @kevdude @Honeybee_