Hi @VetGoat84. Welcome to v/pizzagate. Thank you for posting in accord with out submission rules.👍
I am giving this a "Potential Lead" flair to attract eyeballs. Hopefully, folks will check out the v/conspiracy link as well as the link you shared, which doesn't include anything about the CF.
If you feel like reposting this as a Discuss post that will allow you to include eveything discovered so far in the body text of the post so it doesn't get buried in comments, and edit in anything new people discover, you can delete it and ping me by typing @Vindicator and I will give the repost the same flare.
Read the rest of his links. Clinton Foundation is involved in a Project Irma in Guatemala as the OP says. Click the link to the original v/conspiracy post in his comment.
That's your standard for a potential Lead? The Clinton Foundation has a project in a country. Crime exists in that country. Therefore that's a lead? That's a pretty long lead.
@VetGoat84 Also if you are looking into this, the first thing you need to understand how the Clinton Global Iniatiative works. Which is something that a lot of journalists never understood. The Clinton Foundation usually implements their charities programs themselves. In the Clinton Global Initiative, people come together to present solutions to unsolved issues and then they go off and do the work themselves. They are the ones putting but the money, not CGI. The CGI doesn't go to Guatemala. Columbia College Does. The CGI is a facilitator organization, not an implementation organization.
COMMITMENT TO ACTION
Project Irma Commitment by Columbia College
In 2009, Columbia College committed to launch Project Irma, an initiative that seeks to advance the education of Guatemalan girls and women.
A commitment to action means that there's no on the ground involvement from the Clinton Foundation. Columbia made the commitment and they will use their own people. The CGI is intended as an idea factory where people with ideas can find support, partners, how to implement the idea, etc. They then go off and do it themselves. The CGI will monitor their progress.
The Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) convenes leaders to drive action through its unique model. Rather than directly implementing projects, CGI facilitates action by helping members connect, collaborate, and make effective and measurable Commitments to Action.
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COMMITMENTS TO ACTION
CGI member commitments represent bold approaches to address global challenges – implemented through new methods of partnership and designed to maximize impact. Commitments can be small or large, global or local. No matter the size or scope, commitments help CGI members translate practical goals into meaningful and measurable results. To support the development of commitments among members, CGI facilitates conversations, provides opportunities to identify commitment partners, showcases the actions taken by commitment-makers, and communicates the results of the work.
Why do you think this is the case?
The Irma project has a web site, renamed: http://guatemalanproject.org/ No mention of the Clintons, Columbia College or Bagby. Wierd;
That project was in place well before 2009. Were they working with Columbia College when they went to the CGI?
Thanks for the clarification. But, yes I know how this works. The main questions I have; we share. Hence the post and questions and not my own Pulitzer. What raises my suspicions, and forgive me if I wasn't clear, is why in 2009 a $2.9M project gets started with CC and this Bagby guy with no internal records in CC's total database. Also, why the sudden spike in child trafficking at the same time and the sudden legislation in the same year, yet a continuous rise of incidents and a current +50% average of child victims to adult victims in Gaut. Why the name change. Why the predatory micro-financing that almost always (so far wholefoods seems to be the only one on the level, despite JA co-owning one down the way from CP) in devious practice and desperate in-debtees. I'm saying the whole thing smells like shit. you have good points. I'll try to address later, just take it easy. I have a job and am a full-time student whilst dealing with shitty renters.
There's a common logical fallacy that you might be in danger of falling prey to.
A happens.
Then B happens.
Therefore A caused B.
Wikipedia defines it as
after this, therefore because of this") is a logical fallacy that states "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X." It is often shortened simply to post hoc fallacy.
i.e., I vote Democrat and defend JA, Podesta, and Hillary; therefore, I must be a pedophile shill that can't understand how logical fallacies work. Breaking down a chain of events that have a common theme, suspicious ties, a repeatable pattern, disappearing money, and a protective class of information cover-ups = post hoc fallacy? No. To make sure this is not done I originally linked back to the original post and therefore a time stamped organic trail of evidence gathering until the point of needing help to answer more questions, so I post here. What is your point?
He's just a shill. That's been known for a long time.
He's not trying to help you. He only cares about defending leftist elites. Note how fast he came to this thread because it related to the Clinton Foundation.
That's why the best way to handle people like him is to regard anything they say as having evil intent, to show them nothing but hate and vitriol. Make it personal with them so as to make shills feel as unwelcome as possible.
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Vindicator ago
Hi @VetGoat84. Welcome to v/pizzagate. Thank you for posting in accord with out submission rules.👍
I am giving this a "Potential Lead" flair to attract eyeballs. Hopefully, folks will check out the v/conspiracy link as well as the link you shared, which doesn't include anything about the CF.
If you feel like reposting this as a Discuss post that will allow you to include eveything discovered so far in the body text of the post so it doesn't get buried in comments, and edit in anything new people discover, you can delete it and ping me by typing @Vindicator and I will give the repost the same flare.
RweSure ago
Why is this a potential lead? The Article contains absolutely nothing about the Clinton Foundation. Why is this not possilble disinfo?
@VetGoat84 the article says nothing about the Clinton Foundation. What the basis for your claim?
Vindicator ago
Read the rest of his links. Clinton Foundation is involved in a Project Irma in Guatemala as the OP says. Click the link to the original v/conspiracy post in his comment.
RweSure ago
That's your standard for a potential Lead? The Clinton Foundation has a project in a country. Crime exists in that country. Therefore that's a lead? That's a pretty long lead.
@VetGoat84 Also if you are looking into this, the first thing you need to understand how the Clinton Global Iniatiative works. Which is something that a lot of journalists never understood. The Clinton Foundation usually implements their charities programs themselves. In the Clinton Global Initiative, people come together to present solutions to unsolved issues and then they go off and do the work themselves. They are the ones putting but the money, not CGI. The CGI doesn't go to Guatemala. Columbia College Does. The CGI is a facilitator organization, not an implementation organization.
A commitment to action means that there's no on the ground involvement from the Clinton Foundation. Columbia made the commitment and they will use their own people. The CGI is intended as an idea factory where people with ideas can find support, partners, how to implement the idea, etc. They then go off and do it themselves. The CGI will monitor their progress.
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/about-us/cgi-model
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Why do you think this is the case?
That project was in place well before 2009. Were they working with Columbia College when they went to the CGI?
VetGoat84 ago
Thanks for the clarification. But, yes I know how this works. The main questions I have; we share. Hence the post and questions and not my own Pulitzer. What raises my suspicions, and forgive me if I wasn't clear, is why in 2009 a $2.9M project gets started with CC and this Bagby guy with no internal records in CC's total database. Also, why the sudden spike in child trafficking at the same time and the sudden legislation in the same year, yet a continuous rise of incidents and a current +50% average of child victims to adult victims in Gaut. Why the name change. Why the predatory micro-financing that almost always (so far wholefoods seems to be the only one on the level, despite JA co-owning one down the way from CP) in devious practice and desperate in-debtees. I'm saying the whole thing smells like shit. you have good points. I'll try to address later, just take it easy. I have a job and am a full-time student whilst dealing with shitty renters.
RweSure ago
There's a common logical fallacy that you might be in danger of falling prey to.
A happens. Then B happens. Therefore A caused B.
Wikipedia defines it as
VetGoat84 ago
i.e., I vote Democrat and defend JA, Podesta, and Hillary; therefore, I must be a pedophile shill that can't understand how logical fallacies work. Breaking down a chain of events that have a common theme, suspicious ties, a repeatable pattern, disappearing money, and a protective class of information cover-ups = post hoc fallacy? No. To make sure this is not done I originally linked back to the original post and therefore a time stamped organic trail of evidence gathering until the point of needing help to answer more questions, so I post here. What is your point?
darkknight111 ago
He's just a shill. That's been known for a long time.
He's not trying to help you. He only cares about defending leftist elites. Note how fast he came to this thread because it related to the Clinton Foundation.
That's why the best way to handle people like him is to regard anything they say as having evil intent, to show them nothing but hate and vitriol. Make it personal with them so as to make shills feel as unwelcome as possible.