Haven't gotten to "The Story" involved as yet, but would certainly agree based on info below that likely they changed
the autopsy report and then had to disappear the coroner. Evidently this particular coroner wasn't willing to cooperate and I'm guessing that many have cooperated under threat and fear of ending up dead.
Yet it wasn’t until his coroner, the one responsible for declaring his cause of death(also at the center of much controversy), turned up dead from arsenic poisoning within hours of the release of Breitbart’s preliminary autopsy report that the theory truly began to materialize. Many of Breitbart’s tweets leading up to his death were very accusatory and seemingly irrational at the time. However, following WikiLeaks’ release of the hacked emails from John Podesta, uncovering the horror that is pizzagate, his tweet’s context began to form.
As a liberal, I haven't been familiar with Breibart and I'd certainly need someone to explain this comment to me ...
Breitbart had attempted to call out Media Matters for covering up “underage sex slave operations” that connected back to Planned Parenthood.
Now, I'm certainly no friend of Media Matter nor David Brock, but I certainly support Planned Parenthood.
In fact, Americans support Planned Parenthood and government funding for Planned Parenthood.
If you simply support gubbament funded babby killinz then that is of course your right, but planned parenthood is baaaaad news bears. Wish I had some info at my fingertips to give you.
Nature is pro-choice having given women reproductive freedom through natural plants
which are our medicines and our drugs.
The knowledge of those plants and the plants were destroyed by patriarchy.
And of course, patriarchy continues to war on women and reproductive freedom.
What we have actually seen in the way of real "killings" involved religiously fanatical
murders of doctors who have performed abortions.
Planned Parenthood is serving a basic need for poor women all over the nation who
cannot afford gynecological care and who cannot afford abortions or even birth control.
And providing a service for young females who want abortions and who can't afford them
and who often would kill themselves rather than have their parents disappointed in them.
In its fanaticism. what the right wing has actually done has made it ever more difficult for women
suffering wanted pregnancies where something has gone very wrong. Where either their life is
threatened by the pregnancy or the baby is already dead or dying. Often there is an enlarged head.
If the woman continues on with the pregnancy to a vaginal delivery, she very likely risks losing her
ability to have children in the future. These pregnancies are very rare -- about 1 in every county of
the US every year. The actress Debbie Reynolds twice carried dead infants for months in her womb
on two occasions because abortions weren't permitted in the 1960's and early 1970's.
The second pregnancy failed because the first pregnancy had so drained her body of the stamina
to carry another pregnancy.
Those are considerations which have to be made by women and their families.
Often there are other children to be cared for.
Many women in the past have lost their lives to back-alley abortions yet many men in
Congress seem to barely be able to wait until women are in that position once again.
Since we are here ... did I mention that MALES are our sexual abusers of children which even
right wing women's groups agree with.
And that they are heterosexual males.
Heterosexual males are 100X more likely to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual male.
Then Nature is a "murderer" because NATURE provided women with many ways via plants
to interrupt conception, to end their fertility when they wished, and to be used as birth control.
In fact, RU486 is based on one of those plants still used today.
It keeps an egg from being embedded in the lining of the womb --
thus an abortion.
And NATURE also provides many spontaneous abortions.
There has to be intent to harm for murder. Nature is simply, well, things happening naturally. It's like saying cancer is a murderer. Cancer kills, sure, but it is not intelligent. A plant is not intelligent. If I poison you using cyanide that I mined from apple seeds, am I any less a murderer because I used a plant based substance? Of course not.
What you truly mean to say is that life does not begin at conception. And unfortunately, the current law in my country agrees. That does not make it morally right, or even logically true. It's a moral argument, and it is simply a waste of time, and beyond the scope of this forum, to debate this with me. I'm a Christian and you will get nowhere. Regardless, peace to you, fellow pizzagater!
The intent was of violence on the part of males who ran "Witch Hunts/Burning Women at the Stake" intended to destroy women's wisdom of plants as healers, and the plants themselves. This was male violence used to gain control over our societies which they could not in any other way merit.
Elite patriarchy is what violence is all about, still today, and their desire to control and enslave the world.
You may have missed the fact that US adapted "cancer" as a weapon and has killed many by using it ...
with full intent of murder. See: CIA
Nature is Pro-choice is obviously what I am saying.
Again, natural plants always provided a means for women and families to control reproduction and those means were supplied by Nature/Creation.
Overbreed was forced in order to supply cheap human labor for Elites.
I wouldn't these days brag about being a "Christian" if you understand the discussions here and involvement of Church with these issues of child sexual abuse.
And that's always been true from day #1 of the Catholic Church.
And from Day #1 of organized patriarchal religions which underpin Elite patriarchy.
It's laughable to suggest that males in any way represent morality --
or that "Christianity" represents morality in any way.
All evidence points clear to its violence and Inquisitions ...
it's Papal Edicts to "Enslave or murder" natives here and Africans enslaved here.
Males are our sexual abusers of children and they are heterosexual males.
We have a Congress which is majority male and majority "Christian" and they have done nothing but warmonger all over the world, so far killing in excess more than one million Muslims in order to control their OIL. and for profit of the Elites and Empire.
Our corrupt US government and Military are involved in trafficking -- all of it.
Our Founders showed no "morality" in their murder of 112 million native people here in genocide,
nor in enslaving Africans here for more than 250 years -- and another 100 years of Segregation.
And "Christianity" has only served as a tool of the immoral.
I'm not a Catholic, but even if I was, it's not fair to blame the average Catholic when most of the sexual abuse is perpetrated by priests who are expected to remain celibate. This is simply not realistic for the majority of people. I
It is unfair to categorize an entire group of believers (or nonbelievers as the case may be), especially one so prevalent as Christianity. I would not even want to demonize all Muslims that way, and I think it's one of the cruelest religions out there. I work with many South African Muslims and they run the gamut, just like Christians. Judge people by their actions. It's more time consuming, but more rewarding.
I can see this is a very passionate topic for you. You speak about it constantly. You might try reading some literature written by watchdog groups about planned parenthood. They're not a good group. They're an industry that sells the body parts of babies for profit and preys on vulnerable women, many of whom go on to have deep seated feelings of guilt, shame, and regret.
Any organized patriarchal religion is brainwashing and you don't have to be Catholic to understand that.
However, when you continue to support male-supremacist religions which deny the full personhood of
females then you are supporting male-supremacy.
Of course celibacy is not realistic.
The reason for the celibacy rule in the Catholic Church was to prevent financial claims
on the Church by married priests and their families.
Christianity gained it's "prevalence" through violence and by its armies.
"Introducing the cross with the sword"
What I pointed out to you had to do with the corruption of "Christianity" as presented by our
Christian leaders in Congress ... who should very rightly be held responsible not only for their
corrupted religious beliefs but for the harm they inflict on others through those beliefs which
they turn into legislation which effects the entire nation.
THAT is "judging people by their actions."
Planned Parenthood provides reproductive services and other health services for
women who are poor and cannot afford birth control, who cannot afford breast
exams and pap smears.
You seem to still believe in the fake videos produced a while back about PPH
which have been shown over and again to be untrue.
Seek information on that yourself and move away from the video and right wing
distortions of Planned Parenthood.
Whether it's the right wing brainwashing you or male-supremacist religion, it would be a good
thing to wake up from.
Um...give it up already? I could just as easily call this left wing propaganda. And how dare you link to huffington, that pathetic rag. I can't take you seriously anymore. I'm sorry.
Sadly funny that you can't even accept the fact that the GOP APPROVED fetal tissue donations after abortions,
including allowing those who are handling the tissue donations to charge a minimum to cover the expense of storage and shipping.
Many of these places charge far more than PPH which barely charges enough to cover their expenses.
You have many other choices for the debunking of the video by the right wing, if you have the courage to research it.
My comment was about fetal tissue being APPROVED by the GOP ... which most of those who saw the lies of the video didn't even realize.
Re abortion ...
If it were "murder" every woman in America would pretty much be on death row.
Catholic women have just as many abortions as any other women.
And Catholics support abortion and reproductive freedom by huge majorities.
When Latino/Latina Catholics are added in the support is about 10 percentage points higher.
"Murder" is the meme of Randall Terry which he seems to have used to move religious fanatics to actually murder living doctors who perform abortions. Wasn't the slogan: "If you believe it's murder, act like it"... ???
Then Randall Terry sat on the side lines and watched.
Those people were actual murderers and they went to jail.
Terry should be held as a co-conspirator in the murder of doctors.
Killing a human being is murder. Just because the law allows for the murder of unborn babies so women need not deal with the consequences of spreading their legs doesn't make it good, moral, or healthy. I'm getting really tired of you. I come here to read about the fight against child molesters in the government, not debate feminazis about their immoral causes. Please. Get. Lost!
Again, you continue to repeat the Terry Randall slogan used to encourage
religious fanatics to kill abortion doctors. And they did!
Your comments show your utter disrespect for women which suggests that you have
no real relationship with any of them.
As we all know, if men could get pregnant ... abortion would be a sacrament.
Unless you can get pregnant, what you're saying is hypothetical --
Perhaps in your next life you'll come back as a female and be "good, moral and
healthy" and, of course, abortion free. But guess we'll have to wait and see.
Well I've noticed that whatever you're born as tends to be what people want to be cause they don't know any different. I sure wouldn't miss the damned gynecologist. On the other hand dudes don't have a cakewalk any more than we do...
I don't know what you mean about breaking bonds. It seems like maybe you have a low opinion of them in general? I personally would not want to be male because I cannot fathom not being female; it's who I am. But that being said I don't want to live in a world without men! I love too many of them. I also have the benefit of living in the South, where chivalry isn't quite dead. I can't even tell you how many times make strangers have seen me in some kind of jam and went out of their way to help me, and it's not like I'm some kind of super hot babe either, lol. A lot of men simply feel a basic sense of responsibility to look out for the fairer sex. I love that about them! 😊
What I mean about "breaking bonds" is that ....
"You cannot send a male to war without first breaking his bonds with women and children."
I have a low opinion of men who design our stoves, our cars, our societies ... that's true!
And a low opinion of men who are our sexual abusers of children -- and even right wing women's groups agree with the fact that they are MALE.
I also have a low opinion of the many men who have historically raped women.
And of the many men in our Congress who have authorized war and sent young men to war.
There is no human being -- and certainly no male on this planet -- who hasn't gotten here through the body of a female.
They are our sons and we love and support them.
But that being said I don't want to live in a world without men!<
I've also had the privilege of being loved and assisted by males in my life -- many have been mentors.
But I could just as well live in a world that wasn't run by Elite males, by very greedy men who profit from wars,
by males who win by violence.
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that too many of those Southern men who help women made it to Congress!
Let's not forget there are greedy, elitist, and dishonest women in power, too. Women are just coming to the table later so they've had less opportunities to abuse power. There are good and bad people of all shapes, sizes, sexes, economic brackets, religions, and cultures, etc. Most men don't enjoy war any more than women do but they are taught that it is their duty to risk their lives for their country if the government says it's time to fight. Actually, that goes back to what you were saying about the elite and unjust wars. There are a few good people in government, but obviously they are the minority. 😟 That's one thing we can agree on, at least.
Well, of course that's true -- but men still control Congress by huge majorities -- and have
a couple of hundred years of male control of our government and the country piled up . . . right?
And we see the damage from this violence against women which resulted in "The bird with one wing."
And you're saying what I repeat often -- among EVERY people, in every nation there are a few who
will resort to violence to get their way. No people are exempt from this and that includes women.
And - again - of course, ALL organized religion which came thousands and thousands of years after the
Old Religion is organized patriarchal religions --** i.e., male-supremacist religions.**
The Old Religions had no "devil" and no "Satan" and no "Hell" which are the inventions of Elite Patriarchy
in order to frighten members involved with these male-dominated religions. Religion = Mind Control by FEAR.
The Old Religions were based in Nature.
The Old Testament was written to cement patriarchy and to create the ONE-all male god.
Patriarchy is a political system just as Colonialism was a political system.
Men certainly don't enjoy war once they get to experience it -- and as soldiers they have no right to conscience.
Plus ... their bonds with women and children have to be broken in order to send them to war.
And, of course, a good deal of propaganda of lies is used to make these wars sound as though we are
under threat. In fact, the US has been heavily involved in creating "terrorists" as they are greatly in need
of a new Cold War.
You also see if you look at the Constitution that (while proclaiming "All are equal") our Founders
actually created an Elite Patriarchy and endowed them with land grants -- gave them immense
influence and control over our "people's" government, the nation's wealth and natural resources.
That was the set up.
Our nation was founded on violence against the native peoples here to steal their land.
Against Africans enslaved here.
The Founders saved the system of Slavery for Elites/wealthy which guaranteed the Civil War
which also benefitted Elites by splitting the nation into two camps of hatred which echoes on still today.
I wouldn't be upset if we don't agree on things -- it is how we conduct debate that's important -- and
we hope to learn from one another. :)
PS: Would just qualify my post in this way . . . .
Women have pretty much conducted a non-violent campaign to deliver women from oppression
over the last 50,000 years or so.
No one on this planet gets here except through the body of a female -- and men are our sons
whom we nurture and care for and love.
I don't recall women ever running an Inquisition or the organized torturing of people.
Nor burning people at the stake.
Nor building religious empires as the male-supremacist Vatican has done.
Nor writing Papal Bulls which called for the "enslavement or murder" of Africans enslaved
here -- and native peoples here ... all of which was carried out.
Sadly, most of the violence of the world has been done by males and this is still true today.
During the years of the Vietnam War, something like 57,000 men lost their lives fighting that
war. But at the same time and over those same years, 57,000 women were killed by their
male significant other, their intimate male partners, or husbands.
And women are ever more threatened these days by males in their lives ....
"Women Under the Gun" ....
2001-2012 -- 6,410 Women were murdered in US by an intimate partner using a gun.
Women in the US are 11X more likely to be murdered with a gun than are women in
other high income countries.
One of the least discussed subjects in this country is male violence.
MALES are also our sexual abusers of children --
when heterosexual women are involved in sexual abuse of children it is usually because
of their involvement with a heterosexual male.
The Catholic Church also shows this to be the case -- Catholic nuns have sexually abused children.
And 40% of Catholic nuns have been sexually abused and physically abused by Catholic priests.
Homosexual males are 100X less likely to sexually abuse a child that a heterosexual male ...
and Lesbians sexually abusing children is beyond rare.
Gays and Lesbians seek adult relationship with other adult homosexuals and are NOT our
sexual abusers of children.
I've repeated all of this because I don't know if you read any of my posts other than our
posts to one another. And, there's always the chance that someone is reading this post
who hasn't seen earlier posts of mine. I've also repeated LINKS for this information many
times -- including for the studies on heterosexual males as our sexual abusers of children.
If you want links, I'll be happy to dig them up.
I haven't read most of your posts tbh and no offense but I have heard similar rants about the patriarchy before. Also you're rather , um, wordy. ;) I actually spent about ten years away from Christianity as an agnostic and was deeply entrenched in third wave feminist ideology. I pretty much would break out I'm hives when I read Bible verses pertaining to male headship in the church and husbands being the leader figure in the family unit, etc. Those days are over and I no longer have the knee-jerk enraged reactions that I once did at the idea that men and women are different and have complementary roles. Instead of reacting in fear and loathing at the teachings of the Book, I see the love and beauty inherent in God's design. It is mankind that sins and corrupts the design. However if you look you can still find examples of strong, loving, husband and wife teams where they honor and cherish one another as The Lord intended. I have to confess it's a relief not to feel so opressed all the time.
Yes, often my posts are overly long because I am always trying to get as much information out
as possible on any subject.
However, I do not consider my comments on patriarchy to be "rants" any more than I consider my
comments against anti-Jewish posts here to be "rants" -- or my comments about the oppression of
African Americans or Native Americans to be "rants." These are all injustices which have caused
great harm and suffering to humanity.
Especially in the rise of "The Bird With One Wing" which turned the world upside down and brought
us Global Warming which threatens the planet and humanity.
I actually had to look up "third wave feminism" and there seems to be little consensus about it
but I am amused when people ask where the "roots" of feminism begin as they of course
begin within us, same as fascist roots are within us.
Some of us seek control over others and some of us seek justice and equality for all.
I agree with Marilyn French: "Feminism is anti-domination of anyone by anyone else."
Can only agree with you and Thomas Jefferson on the Bible though his criticism was
mainly centered on the violence of the Bible.
Men and women are different but what we see of each today is often distorted.
Women were long deprived of any physical activity which would strengthen their
bodies, but that is changing today.
And clearly women have been groomed to procreate and to support their husbands in
"complementary roles." Today, women are in a position due to their earning power to
expect the return of some of that "complementary role playing" from their husbands.
Thank you for the honesty in regard to your belief in "God's design" and "as The Lord intended" as I now
have a more accurate idea of who I am trading opinions with.
I was fairly certain I made my religious beliefs perfectly clear from the start, but in case I didn't, my apologies! Yes, I am one of those pesky born-again Christians. ;)
Actually, I am usually responding to ideas in a post and pay very little attention to the author...
except when a few posts are traded and I become more aware of who I'm responding to.
And I guess that means I'm one of those pesky challengers and questioners of organized
patriarchal religion who believes that we should stop subjecting children to this brainwashing
before they have even reached the age of reason.
Actually, I do feel that there is a spiritual connection person to person, the universe, Nature.
And likely Reincarnation which the major religions used to teach.
But that has nothing to do with organized male-supremacist religions or one-all-male
god religions based in Mind Control and invented boogey-men.
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Votescam ago
Haven't gotten to "The Story" involved as yet, but would certainly agree based on info below that likely they changed the autopsy report and then had to disappear the coroner. Evidently this particular coroner wasn't willing to cooperate and I'm guessing that many have cooperated under threat and fear of ending up dead.
As a liberal, I haven't been familiar with Breibart and I'd certainly need someone to explain this comment to me ...
Now, I'm certainly no friend of Media Matter nor David Brock, but I certainly support Planned Parenthood. In fact, Americans support Planned Parenthood and government funding for Planned Parenthood.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
If you simply support gubbament funded babby killinz then that is of course your right, but planned parenthood is baaaaad news bears. Wish I had some info at my fingertips to give you.
Votescam ago
Nature is pro-choice having given women reproductive freedom through natural plants which are our medicines and our drugs.
The knowledge of those plants and the plants were destroyed by patriarchy.
And of course, patriarchy continues to war on women and reproductive freedom.
What we have actually seen in the way of real "killings" involved religiously fanatical murders of doctors who have performed abortions.
Planned Parenthood is serving a basic need for poor women all over the nation who cannot afford gynecological care and who cannot afford abortions or even birth control.
And providing a service for young females who want abortions and who can't afford them and who often would kill themselves rather than have their parents disappointed in them.
In its fanaticism. what the right wing has actually done has made it ever more difficult for women suffering wanted pregnancies where something has gone very wrong. Where either their life is threatened by the pregnancy or the baby is already dead or dying. Often there is an enlarged head. If the woman continues on with the pregnancy to a vaginal delivery, she very likely risks losing her ability to have children in the future. These pregnancies are very rare -- about 1 in every county of the US every year. The actress Debbie Reynolds twice carried dead infants for months in her womb on two occasions because abortions weren't permitted in the 1960's and early 1970's. The second pregnancy failed because the first pregnancy had so drained her body of the stamina to carry another pregnancy.
Those are considerations which have to be made by women and their families. Often there are other children to be cared for. Many women in the past have lost their lives to back-alley abortions yet many men in Congress seem to barely be able to wait until women are in that position once again.
Since we are here ... did I mention that MALES are our sexual abusers of children which even right wing women's groups agree with. And that they are heterosexual males.
Heterosexual males are 100X more likely to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual male.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Abortion is murder. :)
Votescam ago
Then Nature is a "murderer" because NATURE provided women with many ways via plants to interrupt conception, to end their fertility when they wished, and to be used as birth control.
In fact, RU486 is based on one of those plants still used today. It keeps an egg from being embedded in the lining of the womb -- thus an abortion.
And NATURE also provides many spontaneous abortions.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
There has to be intent to harm for murder. Nature is simply, well, things happening naturally. It's like saying cancer is a murderer. Cancer kills, sure, but it is not intelligent. A plant is not intelligent. If I poison you using cyanide that I mined from apple seeds, am I any less a murderer because I used a plant based substance? Of course not. What you truly mean to say is that life does not begin at conception. And unfortunately, the current law in my country agrees. That does not make it morally right, or even logically true. It's a moral argument, and it is simply a waste of time, and beyond the scope of this forum, to debate this with me. I'm a Christian and you will get nowhere. Regardless, peace to you, fellow pizzagater!
Votescam ago
The intent was of violence on the part of males who ran "Witch Hunts/Burning Women at the Stake" intended to destroy women's wisdom of plants as healers, and the plants themselves. This was male violence used to gain control over our societies which they could not in any other way merit.
Elite patriarchy is what violence is all about, still today, and their desire to control and enslave the world.
You may have missed the fact that US adapted "cancer" as a weapon and has killed many by using it ... with full intent of murder. See: CIA
Nature is Pro-choice is obviously what I am saying.
Again, natural plants always provided a means for women and families to control reproduction and those means were supplied by Nature/Creation.
Overbreed was forced in order to supply cheap human labor for Elites.
I wouldn't these days brag about being a "Christian" if you understand the discussions here and involvement of Church with these issues of child sexual abuse.
And that's always been true from day #1 of the Catholic Church. And from Day #1 of organized patriarchal religions which underpin Elite patriarchy.
It's laughable to suggest that males in any way represent morality -- or that "Christianity" represents morality in any way. All evidence points clear to its violence and Inquisitions ... it's Papal Edicts to "Enslave or murder" natives here and Africans enslaved here.
Males are our sexual abusers of children and they are heterosexual males.
We have a Congress which is majority male and majority "Christian" and they have done nothing but warmonger all over the world, so far killing in excess more than one million Muslims in order to control their OIL. and for profit of the Elites and Empire.
Our corrupt US government and Military are involved in trafficking -- all of it.
Our Founders showed no "morality" in their murder of 112 million native people here in genocide, nor in enslaving Africans here for more than 250 years -- and another 100 years of Segregation.
And "Christianity" has only served as a tool of the immoral.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I'm not a Catholic, but even if I was, it's not fair to blame the average Catholic when most of the sexual abuse is perpetrated by priests who are expected to remain celibate. This is simply not realistic for the majority of people. I
It is unfair to categorize an entire group of believers (or nonbelievers as the case may be), especially one so prevalent as Christianity. I would not even want to demonize all Muslims that way, and I think it's one of the cruelest religions out there. I work with many South African Muslims and they run the gamut, just like Christians. Judge people by their actions. It's more time consuming, but more rewarding.
I can see this is a very passionate topic for you. You speak about it constantly. You might try reading some literature written by watchdog groups about planned parenthood. They're not a good group. They're an industry that sells the body parts of babies for profit and preys on vulnerable women, many of whom go on to have deep seated feelings of guilt, shame, and regret.
Votescam ago
Any organized patriarchal religion is brainwashing and you don't have to be Catholic to understand that.
However, when you continue to support male-supremacist religions which deny the full personhood of females then you are supporting male-supremacy.
Of course celibacy is not realistic. The reason for the celibacy rule in the Catholic Church was to prevent financial claims on the Church by married priests and their families.
Christianity gained it's "prevalence" through violence and by its armies. "Introducing the cross with the sword"
What I pointed out to you had to do with the corruption of "Christianity" as presented by our Christian leaders in Congress ... who should very rightly be held responsible not only for their corrupted religious beliefs but for the harm they inflict on others through those beliefs which they turn into legislation which effects the entire nation. THAT is "judging people by their actions."
Planned Parenthood provides reproductive services and other health services for women who are poor and cannot afford birth control, who cannot afford breast exams and pap smears.
You seem to still believe in the fake videos produced a while back about PPH which have been shown over and again to be untrue.
Seek information on that yourself and move away from the video and right wing distortions of Planned Parenthood.
Whether it's the right wing brainwashing you or male-supremacist religion, it would be a good thing to wake up from.
And, again, NATURE/CREATION is Pro-Choice.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I think we have a PPH employee on our hands!
Votescam ago
Your ignorance suggests that you are easily misled by right wing propaganda.
First . . .
The American Medical Association echoes this in its ethical guidelines on the issue: “Fetal tissue is not provided in exchange for financial remuneration above that which is necessary to cover reasonable expenses. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/
Also See:
Republicans Voted for Fetal Tissue Donations and costs to cover storage and transportation.....
McConnell Voted In 1993 To Legalize Fetal Tissue Donations After Abortion
http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/mitch-mcconnell-had-voted-to-legalize-fetal-tissue-donations-before-leading-charge-to-defund-planned-parenthood-150805?news=857130
and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-fetal-tissue-donations-abortion_55b28329e4b0074ba5a479d1
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/
Americans back federal funds for Planned Parenthood health services: poll http://news.yahoo.com/americans-back-federal-funds-planned-parenthood-health-services-050227092--business.html;_ylt=AwrC1CgLK9tV1kIAybXQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Um...give it up already? I could just as easily call this left wing propaganda. And how dare you link to huffington, that pathetic rag. I can't take you seriously anymore. I'm sorry.
Votescam ago
Sadly funny that you can't even accept the fact that the GOP APPROVED fetal tissue donations after abortions, including allowing those who are handling the tissue donations to charge a minimum to cover the expense of storage and shipping. Many of these places charge far more than PPH which barely charges enough to cover their expenses.
You have many other choices for the debunking of the video by the right wing, if you have the courage to research it.
You can't deal with the truth.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
It doesn't even matter who approved it. Murder of a unborn baby is still murder and all will be judged.
Votescam ago
My comment was about fetal tissue being APPROVED by the GOP ... which most of those who saw the lies of the video didn't even realize.
Re abortion ... If it were "murder" every woman in America would pretty much be on death row. Catholic women have just as many abortions as any other women. And Catholics support abortion and reproductive freedom by huge majorities. When Latino/Latina Catholics are added in the support is about 10 percentage points higher.
"Murder" is the meme of Randall Terry which he seems to have used to move religious fanatics to actually murder living doctors who perform abortions. Wasn't the slogan: "If you believe it's murder, act like it"... ???
Then Randall Terry sat on the side lines and watched. Those people were actual murderers and they went to jail. Terry should be held as a co-conspirator in the murder of doctors.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Killing a human being is murder. Just because the law allows for the murder of unborn babies so women need not deal with the consequences of spreading their legs doesn't make it good, moral, or healthy. I'm getting really tired of you. I come here to read about the fight against child molesters in the government, not debate feminazis about their immoral causes. Please. Get. Lost!
Votescam ago
Again, you continue to repeat the Terry Randall slogan used to encourage religious fanatics to kill abortion doctors. And they did!
Your comments show your utter disrespect for women which suggests that you have no real relationship with any of them.
As we all know, if men could get pregnant ... abortion would be a sacrament.
Unless you can get pregnant, what you're saying is hypothetical -- Perhaps in your next life you'll come back as a female and be "good, moral and healthy" and, of course, abortion free. But guess we'll have to wait and see.
Notice you also rely on Rush Limbaugh for slurs -- "feminazis" ... ??? Really? Rush is, btw, thought to be a pedophile.
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylc=X3oDMTFiN25laTRvBF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEaXRjAzEEc2VjA3NyY2hfcWEEc2xrA3NyY2h3ZWI-?p=Rush+Limbaugh+and+trips+to+Thailand+for+sex%3F&fr=yfp-t&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
I'd suggest you find some other source of information.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Beep beep.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Also I AM a female.
Votescam ago
:)
You do understand that we may be coming back as Males.... ??!!!! Ugh!
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Well I've noticed that whatever you're born as tends to be what people want to be cause they don't know any different. I sure wouldn't miss the damned gynecologist. On the other hand dudes don't have a cakewalk any more than we do...
Votescam ago
That's just it ....
Imo, they've at a great disadvantage ...
One of the last things I'd ever want to be is male.
In order to be "male" the bonds with females and children have to be broken.
That's what they're taught is the order of things.
But I think a return to the theory of Reincarnation and the spirit of it would be helpful.
And beyond the male/female equality/power thing ...
I think it would be most especially valuable in regard to the Native American concept of "7th generation" awareness and concern -- and for all Nature.
:)
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I don't know what you mean about breaking bonds. It seems like maybe you have a low opinion of them in general? I personally would not want to be male because I cannot fathom not being female; it's who I am. But that being said I don't want to live in a world without men! I love too many of them. I also have the benefit of living in the South, where chivalry isn't quite dead. I can't even tell you how many times make strangers have seen me in some kind of jam and went out of their way to help me, and it's not like I'm some kind of super hot babe either, lol. A lot of men simply feel a basic sense of responsibility to look out for the fairer sex. I love that about them! 😊
Votescam ago
ecua --
What I mean about "breaking bonds" is that .... "You cannot send a male to war without first breaking his bonds with women and children."
I have a low opinion of men who design our stoves, our cars, our societies ... that's true!
And a low opinion of men who are our sexual abusers of children -- and even right wing women's groups agree with the fact that they are MALE.
I also have a low opinion of the many men who have historically raped women.
And of the many men in our Congress who have authorized war and sent young men to war.
There is no human being -- and certainly no male on this planet -- who hasn't gotten here through the body of a female.
They are our sons and we love and support them.
I've also had the privilege of being loved and assisted by males in my life -- many have been mentors.
But I could just as well live in a world that wasn't run by Elite males, by very greedy men who profit from wars, by males who win by violence.
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that too many of those Southern men who help women made it to Congress!
Nor Northern ones, either!
:)
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Let's not forget there are greedy, elitist, and dishonest women in power, too. Women are just coming to the table later so they've had less opportunities to abuse power. There are good and bad people of all shapes, sizes, sexes, economic brackets, religions, and cultures, etc. Most men don't enjoy war any more than women do but they are taught that it is their duty to risk their lives for their country if the government says it's time to fight. Actually, that goes back to what you were saying about the elite and unjust wars. There are a few good people in government, but obviously they are the minority. 😟 That's one thing we can agree on, at least.
Votescam ago
euca --
Well, of course that's true -- but men still control Congress by huge majorities -- and have a couple of hundred years of male control of our government and the country piled up . . . right? And we see the damage from this violence against women which resulted in "The bird with one wing."
And you're saying what I repeat often -- among EVERY people, in every nation there are a few who will resort to violence to get their way. No people are exempt from this and that includes women.
And - again - of course, ALL organized religion which came thousands and thousands of years after the Old Religion is organized patriarchal religions --** i.e., male-supremacist religions.**
The Old Religions had no "devil" and no "Satan" and no "Hell" which are the inventions of Elite Patriarchy in order to frighten members involved with these male-dominated religions. Religion = Mind Control by FEAR. The Old Religions were based in Nature.
The Old Testament was written to cement patriarchy and to create the ONE-all male god.
Patriarchy is a political system just as Colonialism was a political system.
Men certainly don't enjoy war once they get to experience it -- and as soldiers they have no right to conscience. Plus ... their bonds with women and children have to be broken in order to send them to war.
And, of course, a good deal of propaganda of lies is used to make these wars sound as though we are under threat. In fact, the US has been heavily involved in creating "terrorists" as they are greatly in need of a new Cold War.
You also see if you look at the Constitution that (while proclaiming "All are equal") our Founders actually created an Elite Patriarchy and endowed them with land grants -- gave them immense influence and control over our "people's" government, the nation's wealth and natural resources. That was the set up.
Our nation was founded on violence against the native peoples here to steal their land. Against Africans enslaved here.
The Founders saved the system of Slavery for Elites/wealthy which guaranteed the Civil War which also benefitted Elites by splitting the nation into two camps of hatred which echoes on still today.
I wouldn't be upset if we don't agree on things -- it is how we conduct debate that's important -- and we hope to learn from one another. :)
PS: Would just qualify my post in this way . . . . Women have pretty much conducted a non-violent campaign to deliver women from oppression over the last 50,000 years or so. No one on this planet gets here except through the body of a female -- and men are our sons whom we nurture and care for and love.
I don't recall women ever running an Inquisition or the organized torturing of people. Nor burning people at the stake. Nor building religious empires as the male-supremacist Vatican has done. Nor writing Papal Bulls which called for the "enslavement or murder" of Africans enslaved here -- and native peoples here ... all of which was carried out. Sadly, most of the violence of the world has been done by males and this is still true today. During the years of the Vietnam War, something like 57,000 men lost their lives fighting that war. But at the same time and over those same years, 57,000 women were killed by their male significant other, their intimate male partners, or husbands. And women are ever more threatened these days by males in their lives ....
One of the least discussed subjects in this country is male violence.
MALES are also our sexual abusers of children -- when heterosexual women are involved in sexual abuse of children it is usually because of their involvement with a heterosexual male. The Catholic Church also shows this to be the case -- Catholic nuns have sexually abused children. And 40% of Catholic nuns have been sexually abused and physically abused by Catholic priests.
Homosexual males are 100X less likely to sexually abuse a child that a heterosexual male ... and Lesbians sexually abusing children is beyond rare. Gays and Lesbians seek adult relationship with other adult homosexuals and are NOT our sexual abusers of children.
I've repeated all of this because I don't know if you read any of my posts other than our posts to one another. And, there's always the chance that someone is reading this post who hasn't seen earlier posts of mine. I've also repeated LINKS for this information many times -- including for the studies on heterosexual males as our sexual abusers of children. If you want links, I'll be happy to dig them up.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I haven't read most of your posts tbh and no offense but I have heard similar rants about the patriarchy before. Also you're rather , um, wordy. ;) I actually spent about ten years away from Christianity as an agnostic and was deeply entrenched in third wave feminist ideology. I pretty much would break out I'm hives when I read Bible verses pertaining to male headship in the church and husbands being the leader figure in the family unit, etc. Those days are over and I no longer have the knee-jerk enraged reactions that I once did at the idea that men and women are different and have complementary roles. Instead of reacting in fear and loathing at the teachings of the Book, I see the love and beauty inherent in God's design. It is mankind that sins and corrupts the design. However if you look you can still find examples of strong, loving, husband and wife teams where they honor and cherish one another as The Lord intended. I have to confess it's a relief not to feel so opressed all the time.
Votescam ago
Yes, often my posts are overly long because I am always trying to get as much information out as possible on any subject.
However, I do not consider my comments on patriarchy to be "rants" any more than I consider my comments against anti-Jewish posts here to be "rants" -- or my comments about the oppression of African Americans or Native Americans to be "rants." These are all injustices which have caused great harm and suffering to humanity. Especially in the rise of "The Bird With One Wing" which turned the world upside down and brought us Global Warming which threatens the planet and humanity.
I actually had to look up "third wave feminism" and there seems to be little consensus about it but I am amused when people ask where the "roots" of feminism begin as they of course begin within us, same as fascist roots are within us. Some of us seek control over others and some of us seek justice and equality for all.
I agree with Marilyn French: "Feminism is anti-domination of anyone by anyone else."
Can only agree with you and Thomas Jefferson on the Bible though his criticism was mainly centered on the violence of the Bible.
Men and women are different but what we see of each today is often distorted. Women were long deprived of any physical activity which would strengthen their bodies, but that is changing today. And clearly women have been groomed to procreate and to support their husbands in "complementary roles." Today, women are in a position due to their earning power to expect the return of some of that "complementary role playing" from their husbands.
Thank you for the honesty in regard to your belief in "God's design" and "as The Lord intended" as I now have a more accurate idea of who I am trading opinions with.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I was fairly certain I made my religious beliefs perfectly clear from the start, but in case I didn't, my apologies! Yes, I am one of those pesky born-again Christians. ;)
Votescam ago
euca --
Actually, I am usually responding to ideas in a post and pay very little attention to the author... except when a few posts are traded and I become more aware of who I'm responding to.
And I guess that means I'm one of those pesky challengers and questioners of organized patriarchal religion who believes that we should stop subjecting children to this brainwashing before they have even reached the age of reason.
Actually, I do feel that there is a spiritual connection person to person, the universe, Nature. And likely Reincarnation which the major religions used to teach.
But that has nothing to do with organized male-supremacist religions or one-all-male god religions based in Mind Control and invented boogey-men.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Ok
Votescam ago
OK