This is PG related do to the Podesta email that was leaked to Wikileaks is the origin of the investigation. And this email has been pointed out many times before on this forum.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23561
Notice something that @DarkMath pointed out earlier in a post i made. That In the email chain the mail from Kathryn Tate "The realtor didn't add in the "pizza related" when she emailed Susan Sandler. The realtor just said she'd found a handkerchief. Susan Sandler added the "pizza-related" herself in the email she sent to John Podesta." That is the truth, she describe it´s as a..
" Susan & Herb
I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black)
that was left on the kitchen island. Happy to send it via the mail if you let me know where I should send it.
I also meant to inquire yesterday about the pillows you purchased.
I can send them as well, if you let me know where they are in the house.
Safe travels to all Kate"
- square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black).
So why did Susan Sandler change that to..
"..The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus?" ??
SweetChicken ago
Oh for sure. I put pizza in quotes because I meant she knew what it was for.
I sure hope these fuckers burn
kazza64 ago
thats what i was thinking. i would not want to buy a property that has recently had fucking satanists in it summoning demons and raping babies. nice one ..... these people live in a fantasy world and have zero respect and no connection to the reality every day people live in.
kazza64 ago
are they using empty properties to hold satanic rituals why would there be a real estate agent trying to track down who owns the item related to a satanic ritual ?
AmyJames ago
great post
11-11 ago
sizzle sizzle
so - i was watching this video, and strangely enough, while in hell, this guy saw what happened to cannibals (satanists) in hell
linked at the mark where he talks about it https://youtu.be/nzx4nyZKc2U?t=1353
I posted it as a thread but it got deleted
wokethefkup ago
Pillows means pills btw
Blacksmith21 ago
@JimmyLionstar1
Please review my recent post on this topic and feel free to cite it in any research:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1995573
Markb63 ago
What are the pillows they refer to¿????¿¿¿
Markb63 ago
It seems pizza related???!!?? WTF????
iwokeup ago
This is the email that made me a believer in pizzagate. There is no explanation for why the realtor would say that unless it was code for something. The first email gives no mention of pizza.
Gothamgirl ago
Just a wild assumption, the handkerchief is used to make Rorschach art, to be kept as a keepsake. The pillows I am going to say drugs.
Markb63 ago
Pillows drugs or pills.
turitelle ago
These people are so creepy. If I was a legitimate realtor and found a gross soiled handkerchief on a kitchen island I would scoop it into the garbage. I sure wouldn't be looking for the owner of it.
Are_we_sure ago
You don't even see the cognitive dissonance here. There is no evidence whatsoever that the realtor is referring to a gross, soiled handkerchief. NONE.
You just pointed out another example of which the Pizzagate explanation makes no sense.
conspiracyprincess ago
Can anyone explain the definition of a died house? Is this like a guest house of some sort?
pig_lifter ago
It's also important to note this handkerchief gift from a friend of James Alefantis.
Instagram Handkerchief James Alefantis
Blowitwideopen ago
What is MOLOCH maschine and initials A L on that material? Did you notice that?
Are_we_sure ago
Those are quite clearly not handkerchiefs, but kitchen handtowels as he notes.
1754llp0l171c4l ago
“Moloch Maschine”
dickface888 ago
Ah yes, that did say Moloch. Has nobody mentioned that yet? Coz that's a thing.
DonKeyhote ago
Dude moloch is from when the jews were in Babylon and they worship him by sacrificing babies to this day.
Are_we__sure ago
This is only strange if you think all communication with the realtor A. Was captured by email. B. Was captured by this particular email thread.
I think the evidence is very strong that ALL COMMUNICATION WAS NOT captured in this email thread. Why do I think that? Because the realtor's email is about two things
2 matters much more to Susan Sandler because they are her pillows and she just purchased them, so obviously she wants them. Also note there is a 5 hour gap between the realtor's email and Sandler's email to Podesta.
I think it's quite clear during that 5 hours, she communicated with the realtor about getting her pillows back. My assumption it's was a phone call and she asked more about the handkerchief.
You can find lots of maps with food on them. It's pretty common thing for a Map of Italy. You can find lots of stock images like these. Podesta visited Italy pretty often.
http://imgur.com/a/b19LV
http://imgur.com/a/JPxlg
http://imgur.com/a/ZoZoj
The other thing to note about Susan Sandler's odd phrasing is she describing a handkerchief that she is not looking at and probably has never seen. And she has a specific audience. There's no reason it needs to make sense to us because we are not her audience, it only has to trigger recognition in the Podestas.
Applying Occam's Razor to these emails, cuts away a lot of nonsense.
rickman ago
But the realtor would be describing the handkerchief to her over the phone in order to find out who it belongs to. Lets focus on Sandlers words in the email.
She thinks?! She's just spoken to the realtor on the phone who has the handkerchief. Why can't the realtor determine whether or not the handkerchief has a map on it? It would be fairly obvious. She also says it seems pizza related. Seems? Pizza is pretty easy to identify, whether its by slice or as a whole pizza. Why is the realtor having such a hard time figuring out what's on this handkerchief that it would even leave Susan Sandler unsure of what was on it?
Sandlers words makes it sound like she's going from memory and possibly trying to be discreet. Its very nudge nudge, wink wink." I think. It seems." It's almost like she's warning Podesta
ThaliaC ago
I agree with your analysis... plus why anyone would bother chasing down the owner of a lost handerkchief left at a party is bizarre - surely they (the elite) have better things to do with their time
Are_we_sure ago
From this point on, you are using argument from lack of imagination and also assuming facts not in evidence. Argument from lack of imagination is a way of narrowing the options to guide the argument to your conclusion. I think other quite reasonable options exist.
Not in evidence. How do you know she sent the email right after the call? We don't.
It seems clear that she does. To my reading, it's the what type of map it is that's oddly phrased and in question. But to answer your question, without seeing the graphic, we don't know WHAT it looks like.
Again you are assuming something not in evidence. Did she have a hard time. Possibly. Also possible is she just didn't explain it well. Again, Susan's main concern is most likely the pillows. Another possibility is she explained it hours earlier and by the time of the emails Susan Sandler is hazy about it. If she never saw thing in the first place and only had it described to her, it's reasonable she has gives a hazy description of it.
I think this is a giant assumption of facts not evidence and it's influenced/primed by the unproven assertion that these folks are speaking in code.
Shillaxe ago
Me thinks you doeth protest too much.Your actually making it sound like a legal case & your trying to defend John Podesta, correct me if im wrong.
Shillaxe ago
I think even the William of Ockham would agree ,that its simpler to assume its PG related, I can't believe someone shilling for John Podesta.
Are_we_sure ago
Only if you don't understand how to wield his razor.
He would have cut your assumption to ribbons. I don't know how you think it's simpler to make up a fake, non-existent code and then substitute that code into this email. They only way that is simpler is if you want to get away from the truth and make this email mean something else.
Judgejewdy ago
Who tf gives a toss about what Occam thinks? You act like it's some universal truth. If we used your logic no code would ever be broken (or, apparently, even exist).
Are_we_sure ago
Of course, Occam applies here. You are concerned about the truth, you actually have to show there is a code before you try to break that code. Otherwise you end up far, far away from the truth.
Shillaxe ago
Keep covering for Podesta.
ThaliaC ago
Are we sure always on the handkerchief threads...
Damnpasswords ago
They bought some of the pillows from the house? Blood, semen, urine or all three?
Fuck the handkerchief, the pill(huh, my keyboard brings up a blue pill emoji)ows sound interesting
Are_we_sure ago
You're making a giant assumption. More likely they bought them from one of the many gift shops on the island.
angry_mob ago
nope, not this^^
Damnpasswords ago
Gift shop pillows?
RweSure ago
There's an inordinate amount of home decor stores on Martha's Vineyard. Just looked at the instagram of one of them. 9 of the 12 pictures on the front page has pillows in it.
Seems these vineyard folks love their pillows.
mrohm ago
I didn't notice this. Good eye. What in the hell is a map that "seems pizza related"?
JimmyLionstar1 ago
Yeah , i mean the natural response would have been..
"The realtor found a handkerchief (white w/ black). Is it yorus?"Or even just..
"The realtor found a handkerchief. Is it yorus?"MolochHunter ago
and why would a handkerchief even warrant chasing up with anybody, its just above 'tissue' in the completely disposable items category
...unless it had some other significance....
DonKeyhote ago
Aren't all handkerchiefs square. Also remember the Marfa owl map handkerchief was blk wht iirc. swordfush69 said hed release Marfa info but was probably bluffing. Te lead therr is Lambert the lesbi hotelier and her business partners, specifically a guy never before mentioned on voat: balasz (illuminati celeb handler)
10004579? ago
The only time I went to a rich person dinner party some elderly psycho kept loading me up on double shot vodka bloody mary's and I ended up eating cheese grits with my fingers. Put me off high society for life.
Commoner ago
Very good point.
Shillaxe ago
A little off topic but an earlier post about sadopaedo rituals mentioned laying a cloth down before they kill, the blood markings on the floor cover are referred to as a " map", maybe John left his victims DNA behind, wonder where it is now, art on a wall perhaps.
Are_we__sure ago
where's the evidence for this ritual and that it's called a map?
Did that evidence exist before 2016.
Devious1 ago
You allways no something is credible, when u turn up and shill it. Fuck u..
Shillaxe ago
Evidence i dont know but a coincidence indeed.
vintagedaisy ago
I've seen paintings by a ritual child sex abuse survivor that shows a small cloth/ handkerchief under the child as they're being raped. Kim Noble, maybe? I know others here are more knowledgeable about this and will probably be able to post it, but I will also see if I can find it.
DarkMath ago
"where's the evidence for this ritual and that it's called a map?"
Here ya go AreWeSure, for the 10th fucking time here's the evidence of what some of these rich, white, arts fartsy types use a handkerchief for. Here's another one @paulf just provided. Thank you Paul. (It's good to know there are still at least a few decent human beings left on planet Earth.)
AreWeSure, why do you still refuse to accept even the practice let alone the possibility?
Oh yeah, I remember now. Susan Sandler is a rich white person. Rich white people are incapable of committing crimes.
Did you NOT learn about "white privilege" in college AreWeSure? Seriously what the fuck, everyone in America knows what white privilege is now. Are you the last fucking person who's never heard of it?
Oh yeah, you're a Useful Idiot.
My apologies AreWeSure. I promised myself a long time ago I would never make fun of retards.
My bad.
:-D
Great post @JimmyLionstar1. Thank you for keeping hope alive
:-)
Blacksmith21 ago
@DarkMath - You're a patient man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkzaOwAmDmA
CarbuncleRoy ago
While I believe PG is real, that evidence looks like it was painted on construction paper.
Please help me with this.
DarkMath ago
AreWeSure is asking for evidence that Susan Sandler committed a crime and in general whether the use of a handkerchief for that purpose even exists.
The crux of the matter is AreWeSure is trying to dismiss a very questionable email given Susan Sandler happened to volunteer the "pizza related" info when coincidentally the use of the term in that way is proven Pedophile Lingo.
Basically if you have no problem dismissing the evidence because she's rich and white and into art and therefor incapable of committed a crime then it's all good. But if you find it sketchy she has friends like John Podesta(who Andrew Breitbart called a professional Pedophile "Cover-Upper") who's very close friends with suspected Pedophile James Alefantis and convicted Pedophile Dennis Hastert and a fuck ton more then there's a problem.
paulf ago
Thanks DM. Here's another example.
Are_we_sure ago
So the evidence is from one person (actually just one of her 100 personalities)?* OK. So is there any evidence outside of Kim Noble? This would have happened, what more than 4 decades ago in England? Is there any evidence it was practiced beyond this? Any evidence from America? Any evidence this is still practiced now that we all know about DNA evidence? Because this seems awfully incriminating.
And the second part might be more important. Where's the evidence this is called a map? @Shillaxe made the assertion that this is called a map. What's the evidence for this? I have heard other people claim map means something different in this email.
I ask these questions, because this absolutely feels like a definition that was retrofitted to fit into pizzagate. If there was more evidence of this, you would find it existing prior to 2016 and I can find no mentioned of Kim Noble and handkerchief or Ria Pratt and handkerchief before someone created this theory.
*Why is anything one of her one hundred personalities considered to be factual? She can't be living 100 different lives, can she?
paulf ago
Kim Noble has 13 alters not 100 and yes, she used to, or maybe still does, live 13 different lives. The fracturing of the mind into multiple personas through childhood trauma is basic Project Monarch stuff and is at the heart of what we're all investigating here.
You need to get up to speed on this if you want your questions to be taken seriously.
RweSure ago
This article claims 100 personalities https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/sep/30/kim-noble-woman-with-100-personalities
And don't deflect on to me, the question is is there any evidence she has ever talked about a map in this way?
3141592653 ago
We have survivors on the forum who've also confirmed the cloth or handkerchief being used as a souvenir of the crime
Shillaxe ago
Are_You_Afraid we know about about trophies, bet you have a few.
Are_we_sure ago
That's a pretty useful go to when you don't have evidence to support your argument isn't it.
Shillaxe ago
Your defending John Podesta, Occams razor and all.
Are_we_sure ago
You're wielding Occam's razor and you end up cutting off your own nose.
SweetChicken ago
Could be she had seen it before and knew it was "pizza" related. Or she could have been careless and added "pizza map on it" unnecessarily?
Just some first thoughts that ran through my head