I recall a post that spoke about Walmarts, vacant storage centers, and old factories being used to move 'product' place to place. I am not sure exactly where I read this though.
For me it is one of the big 3. Americans lose their jobs and their ability to feed their children, those who are enticed or brought here illegally experience inexcusable horrors, and once they are here they become an indentured second class, barely anything but slaves. That happens here in a country that fought one of our most horrific wars to free slaves. It is absolutely inexcusable by any measure.
A total of 39 people had been inside the tractor-trailer, including at least 4 teenagers, Fox 29 reported. Twenty people were taken to area hospitals in critical condition, and another eight had “less critical” injuries. "We’re looking at human trafficking crime here this evening,” Police Chief William McManus said, adding that it was "a horrific tragedy."
Why do you guys stay in this sub? MF deletes stuff, you all bitch, and yet you stay. You do know you can make a different sub? There are already other PG subs. Why do you stay and just bitch?
Because you guys refuse to move. Refuse is too strong a word. Youre too fucking lazy. Youd still be at Reddit accepting their censorship, except they kicked you out.
Youre trying to take down an international cabal of pedophiles which reaches the upper echelons of global govt. The Clintons, the Brit Royals. People who murder for lunch. And you are too god damn lazy to move to a new sub. Not even a new site. Just a new sub.
Youll sit and bitch about a mod, but youre going to sit here and accept more censorship, just like you did at Reddit. And you think youre going to take down tbe Clintons.
Have you considered that a single post in a public forum addresses the subverse as a whole? If I wanted to address a single user Id send a PM. Maybe youre new to the internet, but thats how forums work you fuckwit.
Again, I am addressing all of you, not him alone. Most of you will read this thread and have the opportunity to tell me why youre all too lazy to move instead of bitching. You also have the option of attempting to remove said Mod, but thats a bit harder in a non-system sub, and will involve a long protracted battle. Ive suggested the easier of the two.
Is being censored non-trivial? Id call that anything but trivial. Is moving to a different sub trivial? Yes. You dont even need a new acct. If you as a group are unwilling to fight for your own free speech, Im not sure what you expect to accomplish wrt PG.
This kind of fight is why VOAT exists. And we have since had this same fight here at VOAT. There is one right now in v/canada which has been ongoing for sometime. But voaters care about that fight. You have three options; do nothing and be squelched, move to a new sub, or attempt to run your problem mod out. The last is not easy in a non system sub, so I didnt suggest that.
It is YOUR speech we are talking about. How much do you care?
But if youre going to stay in this sub w that mod, you might as well not complain, you do have options.
Except we've done it here more than once. Is it easy? Is it worth it? How much is your freedom of speech worth? How much do you believe in PG? If I were a hard believer Id consider all this very important and worth the effort. Youve gotta fight for your right to party.
I meant at Voat in general. There is long history of voaters vs abusive mods. The @She wars is the biggest example. This isnt Reddit and you arent subservient to Mods here. Unless you allow it.
I have no dog in this fight. Its the users of PG who need to collectively decide what is important to your group.
Every sub is different. Your argument transfers to reddit the same. Anyone on reddit can switch subs too. It still requires a majority act as one. This is non-trivial, no matter the site.
I guess you dont care about your own free speech then. Not even when it comes to the rape, murder, brainwashing, satanic cults thing you say you believe in. Thats pretty sad. You should go back to Reddit where you belong faggot.
I guess you dont care about your own free speech then.
An argument about how systems work is met with an appeal to some kind of standards? Like a subverses people who would organize together, would do so if they were not held back by their dedication to stifled speech, or some gay shit
Thats what this whole discussion has been about. You have a mod who regularly deletes posts. He is denying your entire sub freedom of speech. You can do something about that here. You are choosing not to.
not my sub. not my fight. for the sub to fix this issue would require acting as one. this doesnt work, not without lots f free dissent and time at the least.
If its not your sub thats one thing. But saying that the community cannot organize and act is utter bullshit of the highest order. Thats lazy excuse making.
No this is pure lazy. There are already other PG subs. You do t even need to go to a new site and make a new acct. Its pure apathetic laziness. About a subject PGers claim to be world shattering and more important than anything. But they cant be bothered to organize and do something about an abusive mod.
And mods have been overthrown here. Twice that I can think of. Like I said its not easy, but it has been done.
And since you say this isnt your sub or your fight Im done talking to you about it.
I know not of anything about MF - only that some people here are bitching. I only come here to catch up as I don't really have the skills to dig. I could make excuses about not having the time, but we make time for things important to us.
I think most everyone has been beaten down pretty hard thinking that we would see major shit go down by now. Sure we could "move" to a new sub and watch the same shit happen as here - but I'd like to think that the people committed to a deeper understanding, or speculating with a view to things moving forward get what they are able to from here.
Regardless of where we are, we are going to have to separate the bullshit from the bullshit. Also I think many people like myself have come to realize this isn't going to come crashing down like a house of cards anytime soon.
It's crashing down right now, it just hasn't got to the point where those at the top are falling. The wheels of justice grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.
Yes, can you imagine how the law enforcement officers who are working on this must feel? I am thankful we have people to do that job, but I can't imagine the kind of toll that must take.
I thought to myself, "Why would they use an occupied Walmart?" Then I crossed it and see that they didn't have a closing in San Antonio.
This is a pretty big event. Actual substance. Right before your eyes and not speculatory. All due respect to swordfish as has a solid rep here on Voat, but what contrast this story is compared to the announcement of an announcement.
MrPim ago
I dont follow the sub enough to know. I just get sick of seeing people bitch and then do nothing. Get up or shut up.
Vindicator ago
@Dfens: Unfortunately, you've made no case about how this is directly related to the sexual abuse of kids by the global elite. Removing per Rule 1.
Dfens ago
Seems like such a shame you're not a moderator.
Dfens ago
Maybe read the article before you bitch.
carlofusilier ago
I recall a post that spoke about Walmarts, vacant storage centers, and old factories being used to move 'product' place to place. I am not sure exactly where I read this though.
Andalusian1 ago
One of the reasons im against illegal immigration is some get abused and others abuse our system.
Dfens ago
For me it is one of the big 3. Americans lose their jobs and their ability to feed their children, those who are enticed or brought here illegally experience inexcusable horrors, and once they are here they become an indentured second class, barely anything but slaves. That happens here in a country that fought one of our most horrific wars to free slaves. It is absolutely inexcusable by any measure.
jstrotha0975 ago
Does human trafficking ring a bell? What the victims don't count because they're not white?
Dfens ago
Hey, if you were a member of the Nazi site he moderates, you'd be excommunicated! https://imgoat.com/uploads/82be0c5cdc/32721.png
Edit: But if you don't think that site has any influence here, you might want to check into the new list of moderators.
fogdryer ago
Not pizzagate
jstrotha0975 ago
Millenial Falcon will delete this because of political reasons.
MrPim ago
Why do you guys stay in this sub? MF deletes stuff, you all bitch, and yet you stay. You do know you can make a different sub? There are already other PG subs. Why do you stay and just bitch?
jstrotha0975 ago
Because this is the best sub with the most and best posts.
MrPim ago
Who makes those posts? You the users do. If you the users move, your content moves w you.
jstrotha0975 ago
Can't get enough to move, we've tried this before.
MrPim ago
Apathetic faggots much?
jstrotha0975 ago
I'm only half a faggot.
logjam ago
Why haven't they gained traction?
MrPim ago
Because you guys refuse to move. Refuse is too strong a word. Youre too fucking lazy. Youd still be at Reddit accepting their censorship, except they kicked you out.
Youre trying to take down an international cabal of pedophiles which reaches the upper echelons of global govt. The Clintons, the Brit Royals. People who murder for lunch. And you are too god damn lazy to move to a new sub. Not even a new site. Just a new sub.
Youll sit and bitch about a mod, but youre going to sit here and accept more censorship, just like you did at Reddit. And you think youre going to take down tbe Clintons.
Fucking pathetic spineless jellyfish.
bylaw ago
Have you considered that youre addressing an individual right now, with the proposition that this individual represents an entire group?
Like how could this individual magically turn around an entire subverse situation alone?
MrPim ago
Have you considered that a single post in a public forum addresses the subverse as a whole? If I wanted to address a single user Id send a PM. Maybe youre new to the internet, but thats how forums work you fuckwit.
bylaw ago
Hey, all i mean to say is, how can this user really be expected to change a whole subverse alone?
MrPim ago
Again, I am addressing all of you, not him alone. Most of you will read this thread and have the opportunity to tell me why youre all too lazy to move instead of bitching. You also have the option of attempting to remove said Mod, but thats a bit harder in a non-system sub, and will involve a long protracted battle. Ive suggested the easier of the two.
bylaw ago
So you admit its non trivial to begin with, and doing what needs to be done requires everyone to act as one.
MrPim ago
Is being censored non-trivial? Id call that anything but trivial. Is moving to a different sub trivial? Yes. You dont even need a new acct. If you as a group are unwilling to fight for your own free speech, Im not sure what you expect to accomplish wrt PG.
This kind of fight is why VOAT exists. And we have since had this same fight here at VOAT. There is one right now in v/canada which has been ongoing for sometime. But voaters care about that fight. You have three options; do nothing and be squelched, move to a new sub, or attempt to run your problem mod out. The last is not easy in a non system sub, so I didnt suggest that.
It is YOUR speech we are talking about. How much do you care?
But if youre going to stay in this sub w that mod, you might as well not complain, you do have options.
bylaw ago
Its trivial for a mod to censor, yes.
Moving to a different sub is not.
Because that requires mass action Many-1, mod action is 1-Many.
Stop trying to compare single person actions with many person co-ordinated actions.
MrPim ago
Except we've done it here more than once. Is it easy? Is it worth it? How much is your freedom of speech worth? How much do you believe in PG? If I were a hard believer Id consider all this very important and worth the effort. Youve gotta fight for your right to party.
bylaw ago
Where?
MrPim ago
I meant at Voat in general. There is long history of voaters vs abusive mods. The @She wars is the biggest example. This isnt Reddit and you arent subservient to Mods here. Unless you allow it.
I have no dog in this fight. Its the users of PG who need to collectively decide what is important to your group.
bylaw ago
Every sub is different. Your argument transfers to reddit the same. Anyone on reddit can switch subs too. It still requires a majority act as one. This is non-trivial, no matter the site.
MrPim ago
I guess you dont care about your own free speech then. Not even when it comes to the rape, murder, brainwashing, satanic cults thing you say you believe in. Thats pretty sad. You should go back to Reddit where you belong faggot.
bylaw ago
An argument about how systems work is met with an appeal to some kind of standards? Like a subverses people who would organize together, would do so if they were not held back by their dedication to stifled speech, or some gay shit
MrPim ago
Thats what this whole discussion has been about. You have a mod who regularly deletes posts. He is denying your entire sub freedom of speech. You can do something about that here. You are choosing not to.
bylaw ago
not my sub. not my fight. for the sub to fix this issue would require acting as one. this doesnt work, not without lots f free dissent and time at the least.
MrPim ago
If its not your sub thats one thing. But saying that the community cannot organize and act is utter bullshit of the highest order. Thats lazy excuse making.
bylaw ago
Lazy would be refusing to remove a violating post from a sub. Revolutionary would be overthrowing mods. Not doing is not lazy, its not revolutionary.
MrPim ago
No this is pure lazy. There are already other PG subs. You do t even need to go to a new site and make a new acct. Its pure apathetic laziness. About a subject PGers claim to be world shattering and more important than anything. But they cant be bothered to organize and do something about an abusive mod.
And mods have been overthrown here. Twice that I can think of. Like I said its not easy, but it has been done.
And since you say this isnt your sub or your fight Im done talking to you about it.
Dfens ago
I've already been told I'm hanging on here by a thread. Just let me know.
bylaw ago
Define YOU
MrPim ago
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up you retarded troll.
logjam ago
I know not of anything about MF - only that some people here are bitching. I only come here to catch up as I don't really have the skills to dig. I could make excuses about not having the time, but we make time for things important to us.
I think most everyone has been beaten down pretty hard thinking that we would see major shit go down by now. Sure we could "move" to a new sub and watch the same shit happen as here - but I'd like to think that the people committed to a deeper understanding, or speculating with a view to things moving forward get what they are able to from here.
Regardless of where we are, we are going to have to separate the bullshit from the bullshit. Also I think many people like myself have come to realize this isn't going to come crashing down like a house of cards anytime soon.
Dfens ago
It's crashing down right now, it just hasn't got to the point where those at the top are falling. The wheels of justice grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.
logjam ago
I think other cards are falling right now on the way to the top. People like Chester and Chris Cornell.
Dfens ago
Yes, can you imagine how the law enforcement officers who are working on this must feel? I am thankful we have people to do that job, but I can't imagine the kind of toll that must take.
DerivaUK ago
This: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1805322
logjam ago
Congrats on that post and your linking.
DerivaUK ago
Thanks.
logjam ago
I thought to myself, "Why would they use an occupied Walmart?" Then I crossed it and see that they didn't have a closing in San Antonio.
This is a pretty big event. Actual substance. Right before your eyes and not speculatory. All due respect to swordfish as has a solid rep here on Voat, but what contrast this story is compared to the announcement of an announcement.
carmencita ago
Thanks for posting that. I just took a quick look and their is a bundle of info on there.