To me, one of the crux of this entire thing is the terminology that lays a foundation for the rest of the evidence. As said in this video, the "code words from the FBI" basically dont exist and the codewords were basically created by a /pol/ user during the investigating, except cheese pizza....and for anyone who's not an internet noob and was on 4chan in the early dates know that the term was basically coined by them and other chan sites early on to refer to child porn (users referencing it as cp, other users asking what's cp, then people jokingly saying "cheese pizza" which caught on as a meme of sorts and inside joke)
This would explain why a lot of pizzagate "researchers" are kids in their teens or early twenties, as they werent around 4chan in the early days (when it was actually good).
once you realize cheese pizza is a meme basically created by kids on 4chan, the rest of the evidence starts to fall apart when you realize you have to assume that 50-60 year old politicians who dont understand the internet at all would be using terminology from a niche site that 90% of people on the internet dont even know about or visit.
Especially when, as clearly detailed in the video from that pizzagate researcher who said alephantis threatened his family, it's pretty clear even alephantis doesn't know anything about the internet. (had to ask what a "mod" was)
Am I just way off base here? Are my assumptions correct? I'm not trying to slam pizzagate here, just struggling internally whether there's any legitimacy to it.
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DonKeyhote ago
Pizza is greasy disgusting famine food for Italian peasants. Should be anathema to elites. If there wasn't the CP theory you'd still be a fool to not consider it's code.
OP is shilling pathetically since we have all seen the sexual pizza Instagram memes in dozens of unrelated places.
chris ago
Yeah, we've all seen it and anybody who's even slightly rational realized it's not evidence for anything. You're literally saying an underground network of pedophiles centered around a pizza place in DC exists because a guy on instagram posted pictures of kids that irrational 20-somethings with no kids think look suspicious? Wow, I'm sold!
Clearly my comment history is one a shill would have lol. You've obviously done your research there as well.
DarkMath ago
(sarcasm)
You know what you're right "chris". Those deplorables over at 4chan are bigots and want to keep gay people in cages.
Here I was this entire time thinking this was a sexual reference.
Or that a walnut looks like prepubescent labias when clearly a walnut is a nutritious part of any diet.
Or even a walnut sauce the prepubescent cum from aforementioned vagina.
Thanks for keeping it real chris!
(sarcasm)
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chris ago
how.....not only how did you infer that was being said but how is that even relevant? You're extremely irrational.
IT FUCKING IS.
I really don't know why I'm wasting my time, but there's got to be one rational bone in your body and I'm going to try to appeal to it one last time:
Ok, so here have an OBVIOUSLY sexual picture he posted involving pizza. Great. How does your mind see something like this, posted by a man who owns a TRENDY pizza place, who's openly GAY (which means he's very likely promiscuous), and think "you know what, this is slam dunk proof that this guy is running a child sex ring out of his pizza place".
How? How does your mind even draw those conclusions?
Let me let you in on something I dont think you and a lot of people take into consideration: This trendy pizza place is likely a hub for gay people.
Mind blowing, I know. A gay man with a trendy business being a hub for gay people, crazy. If you're not aware, gay people are very promiscuous. VERY. It's also entirely possible that said gay people use that place as a place to fuck and that it's kind of wink wink, nudge nudge, which is why he labels it as family friendly because during normal business hours he's gotta pay the bills believe it or not.
Again, how does your eyes see these things and then your mind go "bingo, child sex operation"? Lets say that youre partially right and that those reference something SEXUAL. You are taking that and then jumping a gorge of reason and somehow tying that to child sex ring based on nothing. Maybe it is a sexual reference but its just talking about genitals? You know, the adult kind?
I really dont know why im wasting my energy typing this, but i hope there's some part of you that absorbs that.
DarkMath ago
Ok clearly you're not a shill. The problem is you're a useful idiot. Don't feel bad. Almost my entire extended family are useful idiots as well. And please forgive me for being flippant. It gets frustrating when rational adults refuses to connect the dots lest the conclusions that leads to damage their self esteem.
How about we try another tact. Do you know about the Pedo Bear?
chris ago
hahaha, you're being led down a path of disinformation and I"M the useful idiot, lolol ok.
I pretty sure the rational adults are too busy laughing at this theory as a whole, chum.
does anybody who's been on the internet for more than a few years NOT know pedo bear?
DarkMath ago
Do you think the pedo bear is an Alt-Right conspiracy theory or do you believe it's pedophile code for something?
chris ago
dude, why do we have to have this conversation? please tell me this is going somewhere because I have the feeling its going to end somewhere stupid.
How could you see me referencing 4chan circa 2004-2005 and think I dont know what pedo bear is or would think it's an alt-right conspiracy?
DarkMath ago
"dude, why do we have to have this conversation?"
Do you think the pedo bear is an Alt-Right conspiracy theory or is it a legitimate pedophile code for something?
chris ago
it literally pains me to play your games, I just want you to know that.
Pedo bear is a JOKE character that's a pedophile. and a bear. on the internet.
DarkMath ago
That answer could be take a couple of ways. It's ambiguous.
Do pedophiles use the "pedo bear" as a secret code to notify only other pedophiles in the know?
chris ago
It's possible they co-opted it as some kind of flag but I doubt and have seen no evidence for it being anything but a joke reference to CP on the internet.
Can we stop playing fucking games and just tell me where you're going with this.
DarkMath ago
"no evidence for it being anything but a joke reference to CP on the internet."
This picture is from the bartender at CPP's Instagram account and was posted long before Pizzagate broke. Unless you have another explanation I'm going with it's a pedo bear.
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chris ago
I dunno dude, I get what you're saying but I think that's a stretch. A bear is also specific terminology in the gay community, he could just be trying to say he's a bear...which I think is MUCH more likely
DarkMath ago
"A bear is also specific terminology in the gay community"
Could you provide a link proving that?
chris ago
Here ya go retard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_culture)
It's common fucking knowledge even among straight people
DarkMath ago
That's called a Straw Man chris.
You proving the "Gay Bear" exists in no way disproves that pedophiles have a "Pedo Bear".
Get it? Do you know what a Straw Man is? It's when you can't argue the point so you make the argument about something else like in this case you pretend I said there is no "Gay Bear". I didn't. I said I think the bear shaped honey squirt bottle has a pedophile meaning given all the other pedo shit down at CPP.
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chris ago
hahaha, no that's not a strawman, you're such a fucking idiot it's borderline entertaining. You're literally describing a non-sequitur and you're too stupid to realize it.
Not only that, but you're misapplying said fallacy to this conversation (because you're likely one of the most stupid people in this thread).
If you were able to read, process and apply logic to conversations, you'd realize that what I described is two possible underlying associations that the OP could have been trying to make, however one is literally a niche joke from a VERY niche site and has barely migrated to other social platforms, let alone into real life or into the gay community, and one is an extremely common phrase that's SPECIFIC to the gay community.
So if you apply reason to this scenario (you know, like federal and local investigators do?), it's much, much more likely to be the association I described just by pure numbers. Of course, you don't apply reason to your analysis, you start with a conclusion, then look at evidence and bend your mind to reasoning to fit your foregone conclusion.
You're incredibly stupid and it's sad.
DarkMath ago
Oh look you forgot to mention the fact the realtor didn't mention pizza when email Mrs Saddler about a missing handkerchief.
Watching liberal fucks with no research skills like you get hoisted by their own petard is going to be priceless.
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chris ago
Explain why it matters who mentioned it to him. Explain why that would be relevant in your very important investigation.
I'm right leaning libertarian by the way, stupid.
DarkMath ago
"Explain why it matters who mentioned it to him."
Him? I'll explain why. It matters because reading words and understanding their meaning is imperative in any criminal investigation.
Hahahahahaha
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chris ago
Ok now we're getting somewhere, let's focus on this before you try to make your exit.
So we've established that (you think) the wording matters:
Question 1: How do you think that email would have been worded differently if it came from the realtor? How else would she possibly describe the handkerchief?
Question 2: Given the likelihood that the realtor would describe it in a very similar fashion, would that not then implicate her as well by your logic and is that not an example of how poor your logic is?
I'll give you some time to get the hoops ready.
chris ago
Hahahah that is not a straw man you fucking moron, you are like a movie character, this is hilarious. A straw man is when you make up an argument your opponent is making that doesn't actually exist, it's not changing the subject you fucking moron.
You asked for a link talking about the bear terminology and I gave it to you, how fucking retarded do you have to be not to understand the situation? Do you have a mental disorder? Are you 12? I genuinely can't comprehend how a person could be this stupid.
DarkMath ago
"You asked for a link talking about the bear terminology and I gave it to you"
Correct you did. Then you proceeded to brow beat me with that fact................which is the Straw Man.
(DarkMath sighs and says to himself under his breath: "I can't fix stupid.")
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