To me, one of the crux of this entire thing is the terminology that lays a foundation for the rest of the evidence. As said in this video, the "code words from the FBI" basically dont exist and the codewords were basically created by a /pol/ user during the investigating, except cheese pizza....and for anyone who's not an internet noob and was on 4chan in the early dates know that the term was basically coined by them and other chan sites early on to refer to child porn (users referencing it as cp, other users asking what's cp, then people jokingly saying "cheese pizza" which caught on as a meme of sorts and inside joke)
This would explain why a lot of pizzagate "researchers" are kids in their teens or early twenties, as they werent around 4chan in the early days (when it was actually good).
once you realize cheese pizza is a meme basically created by kids on 4chan, the rest of the evidence starts to fall apart when you realize you have to assume that 50-60 year old politicians who dont understand the internet at all would be using terminology from a niche site that 90% of people on the internet dont even know about or visit.
Especially when, as clearly detailed in the video from that pizzagate researcher who said alephantis threatened his family, it's pretty clear even alephantis doesn't know anything about the internet. (had to ask what a "mod" was)
Am I just way off base here? Are my assumptions correct? I'm not trying to slam pizzagate here, just struggling internally whether there's any legitimacy to it.
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DonKeyhote ago
Pizza is greasy disgusting famine food for Italian peasants. Should be anathema to elites. If there wasn't the CP theory you'd still be a fool to not consider it's code.
OP is shilling pathetically since we have all seen the sexual pizza Instagram memes in dozens of unrelated places.
chris ago
Yeah, we've all seen it and anybody who's even slightly rational realized it's not evidence for anything. You're literally saying an underground network of pedophiles centered around a pizza place in DC exists because a guy on instagram posted pictures of kids that irrational 20-somethings with no kids think look suspicious? Wow, I'm sold!
Clearly my comment history is one a shill would have lol. You've obviously done your research there as well.
DarkMath ago
(sarcasm)
You know what you're right "chris". Those deplorables over at 4chan are bigots and want to keep gay people in cages.
Here I was this entire time thinking this was a sexual reference.
Or that a walnut looks like prepubescent labias when clearly a walnut is a nutritious part of any diet.
Or even a walnut sauce the prepubescent cum from aforementioned vagina.
Thanks for keeping it real chris!
(sarcasm)
:-D
chris ago
how.....not only how did you infer that was being said but how is that even relevant? You're extremely irrational.
IT FUCKING IS.
I really don't know why I'm wasting my time, but there's got to be one rational bone in your body and I'm going to try to appeal to it one last time:
Ok, so here have an OBVIOUSLY sexual picture he posted involving pizza. Great. How does your mind see something like this, posted by a man who owns a TRENDY pizza place, who's openly GAY (which means he's very likely promiscuous), and think "you know what, this is slam dunk proof that this guy is running a child sex ring out of his pizza place".
How? How does your mind even draw those conclusions?
Let me let you in on something I dont think you and a lot of people take into consideration: This trendy pizza place is likely a hub for gay people.
Mind blowing, I know. A gay man with a trendy business being a hub for gay people, crazy. If you're not aware, gay people are very promiscuous. VERY. It's also entirely possible that said gay people use that place as a place to fuck and that it's kind of wink wink, nudge nudge, which is why he labels it as family friendly because during normal business hours he's gotta pay the bills believe it or not.
Again, how does your eyes see these things and then your mind go "bingo, child sex operation"? Lets say that youre partially right and that those reference something SEXUAL. You are taking that and then jumping a gorge of reason and somehow tying that to child sex ring based on nothing. Maybe it is a sexual reference but its just talking about genitals? You know, the adult kind?
I really dont know why im wasting my energy typing this, but i hope there's some part of you that absorbs that.
DarkMath ago
Ok clearly you're not a shill. The problem is you're a useful idiot. Don't feel bad. Almost my entire extended family are useful idiots as well. And please forgive me for being flippant. It gets frustrating when rational adults refuses to connect the dots lest the conclusions that leads to damage their self esteem.
How about we try another tact. Do you know about the Pedo Bear?
chris ago
hahaha, you're being led down a path of disinformation and I"M the useful idiot, lolol ok.
I pretty sure the rational adults are too busy laughing at this theory as a whole, chum.
does anybody who's been on the internet for more than a few years NOT know pedo bear?
DarkMath ago
Do you think the pedo bear is an Alt-Right conspiracy theory or do you believe it's pedophile code for something?
chris ago
dude, why do we have to have this conversation? please tell me this is going somewhere because I have the feeling its going to end somewhere stupid.
How could you see me referencing 4chan circa 2004-2005 and think I dont know what pedo bear is or would think it's an alt-right conspiracy?
DarkMath ago
"dude, why do we have to have this conversation?"
Do you think the pedo bear is an Alt-Right conspiracy theory or is it a legitimate pedophile code for something?
chris ago
it literally pains me to play your games, I just want you to know that.
Pedo bear is a JOKE character that's a pedophile. and a bear. on the internet.
DarkMath ago
That answer could be take a couple of ways. It's ambiguous.
Do pedophiles use the "pedo bear" as a secret code to notify only other pedophiles in the know?
chris ago
It's possible they co-opted it as some kind of flag but I doubt and have seen no evidence for it being anything but a joke reference to CP on the internet.
Can we stop playing fucking games and just tell me where you're going with this.
DarkMath ago
"no evidence for it being anything but a joke reference to CP on the internet."
This picture is from the bartender at CPP's Instagram account and was posted long before Pizzagate broke. Unless you have another explanation I'm going with it's a pedo bear.
:-D
chris ago
I dunno dude, I get what you're saying but I think that's a stretch. A bear is also specific terminology in the gay community, he could just be trying to say he's a bear...which I think is MUCH more likely
DarkMath ago
And you don't respond again. I'm seeing a pattern. You're not interested in being objective. That's pathetic.
Also more importantly the are symbols that are used in both groups homosexual and pedophile. A handkerchief is one example. The color of which is used in the gay community to indicate what you're into.
In the pedophile community a handkerchief is sometimes used to like a child on while the pedophile rapes them. The blood and semen may drop on the handkerchief and be used as a memento of the occasion.
This is where we part ways Chris. You're a card carrying Useful Idiot of the first order. There are millions of you out there. If you're anything like people in my extended family I can explain what's going on: Denial.
It's not just a river in Egypt.
;-D
chris ago
Look, you're just a plain old run of the mill idiot. The fact that you think a honey bear container somehow coincides with a niche joke from 4chan and not the obvious fact that "bear" is an extremely common terms in the gay community is just another excellent example of your stupidity.
DarkMath ago
Oh look chris you forgot to mention the handkerchief which is also a gay and pedophile symbol.
Once again your lack of objectivity is displayed. You're a useful idiot chris. Don't feel bad though, there are millions of you in America at the moment.
chris ago
You know what else a handkerchief is? An extremely fucking common thing for a person to have on them for the purpose of personal hygiene. Which do you think is the more likely scenario, you monumental dumbfuck?
DarkMath ago
Oh look AGAIN you fail to address the fact the realtor didn't mention pizza.
Going through you guys will be as easy as a warm knife through butter.
Muahahahahahhaha
:-D
chris ago
Serious question: Do you have a job?
We've already established you've got the mentality of a 13 year old, so maybe you're not old enough to work. Either way, anytime I get time to post replies to you, you're already here and responding within minutes. Is pizzagate your full time job, junior?
DarkMath ago
"Do you have a job?"
Yes. It's schooling you on how to read.
:-D
chris ago
So that's a no then, got it lol.
FYI - there is a difference in referencing from memory and reading something incorrectly. The fact that the ONLY thing you have to grasp onto here is that i misremembered an insignificant detail about who told him about the handkerchief just shows how little argument you have to be grasping at straws like that.
You should honestly get a job, I think it would help you a lot.
DarkMath ago
"there is a difference in referencing from memory and reading something "
I don't care why you're illiterate all I know is you have trouble processing the written word.
:-(
chris ago
Illiterate =/= memory reference, not sure why I have to point that out but here we are.
Anyway, let's focus on my previous post with the 2 questions to make this easier for your brain to process.
DarkMath ago
" let's focus on my previous post"
Let's not. Did you not read my last comment? Oh wait......
Seriously chris learn the fact and then we can debate. As of now you've proven you don't know the whole story.
;-D
chris ago
hahaha
God you're an ungodly impotent dumbfuck.
DarkMath ago
Tell yourself whatever you want. The inability to accept guilt for anything you've done is what makes you people you.
:-D
chris ago
Will do detective dumbfuck, enjoy your super important internet investigation
DarkMath ago
Give it up chris. You got beat. Stop acting like a little whiny bitch about it.
Be a man and accept your mistake.
:-D
chris ago
We both know this, but you've avoided many points/arguments in this conversation. We both know that doesn't mean you "won", so stop trying to save face, stupid.
DarkMath ago
chris I won our little debate. There's not question. You couldn't even get the gender right of the person who sent John Podesta the infamous handkerchief email.
You're in denial. You can't accept you're wrong and you can't accept the John Podesta and others run a child trafficking ring.
You need to wake the fuck up now. We're talking children are being raped and the organs stolen from the ugly ones.
It's fucking horrible. It needs to end immediately but it can't as long as Progressive Liberals like you can't accept people from Yale and Georgetown could be criminals.
chris ago
You apparently (ironically) can't read, I said earlier I'm right leaning libertarian lol. Also georgetown and yale are not pizzagate.
When you're done reveling in your mental victory, I'm STILL waiting for you to answer me about the handkerchief and STILL waiting for any sort of proof that those words were ever used pre-4chan. I'll be here when you've gathered your answers (probably in skeleton form)
DarkMath ago
Have you searched voat for those code words using Google's Advanced Search?
chris ago
Right, a pedo symbol that the even the real estate lady knows about or just an extremely common item with a map of pizza places on it (an item already been proven to exist numerous times)
I don't think you understand objectivity lol
DarkMath ago
"real estate lady knows about"
That shows how much you don't know. The "real estate lady" never brought up pizza you fucking moron.
You're like all the other arrogant Useful Idiots. You make up your mind without learning the facts.
"There are some ideas so bad only an Intellectual could believe them." - George Orwell
:-D
chris ago
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795
The real estate lady found the handkerchief dummy, if it was a pizza related map, anybody that looked at it would be able to see that.
This is the most hilariously ironic, stupid thing you've said yet. You're entire thought process is based on the fact that you've already decided he's part of this child trafficking cabal based out of comet pizza and you're filtering what little mental ability you have through that lens, yet you think a rational analysis of the same scenario is the one with the foregone conclusion, lmao.
You need to look up occam's razor, stupid. Might aid in making you look less stupid in the future.
DarkMath ago
"The real estate lady found the handkerchief dummy, if it was a pizza related map, anybody that looked at it would be able to see that."
You just proved my point. Like I said it's priceless.
Idiot with poor reading and comprehension skills, maybe the realtor didn't mention pizza
BECAUSE MRS SANDLER WASN'T TALKING ABOUT PIZZA.
Hahahahahahahha
Thank you. You made my day. I will glow all day with the knowledge you illiterate fucks are in for the surprise of a lifetime.
:-D
chris ago
While you're hilariously trying to avoid the fact that you're stupid and that your investigation is a hilarious project from a bunch of jobless teenagers with poor reasoning, I'll be here waiting to hear how it's relevant or significant who spoke to him about the handkerchief, whether it was the real estate lady talking directly to him or mrs. sandler.
I'll be here waiting to hear how it's relevant or significant who spoke to him about the handkerchief, whether it was the real estate lady talking directly to him or mrs. sandler.
DarkMath ago
"While you're hilariously trying to avoid the fact that you're stupid "
I stopped after "stupid". You're writing sentences your brain can't cash. My advice to you is take a break for a couple of days, learn the facts and then we'll talk.
Sound good?
:-D
chris ago
stop trying to weasel out of this conversation, you've literally ignored any point ive brought up at this point and are just trying to snake your way out of this conversation because you're way out of your element.
DarkMath ago
" you've literally ignored any point ive brought up"
Not all of them. I only started ignoring you AFTER I found out you have trouble reading.
:-D