To me, one of the crux of this entire thing is the terminology that lays a foundation for the rest of the evidence. As said in this video, the "code words from the FBI" basically dont exist and the codewords were basically created by a /pol/ user during the investigating, except cheese pizza....and for anyone who's not an internet noob and was on 4chan in the early dates know that the term was basically coined by them and other chan sites early on to refer to child porn (users referencing it as cp, other users asking what's cp, then people jokingly saying "cheese pizza" which caught on as a meme of sorts and inside joke)
This would explain why a lot of pizzagate "researchers" are kids in their teens or early twenties, as they werent around 4chan in the early days (when it was actually good).
once you realize cheese pizza is a meme basically created by kids on 4chan, the rest of the evidence starts to fall apart when you realize you have to assume that 50-60 year old politicians who dont understand the internet at all would be using terminology from a niche site that 90% of people on the internet dont even know about or visit.
Especially when, as clearly detailed in the video from that pizzagate researcher who said alephantis threatened his family, it's pretty clear even alephantis doesn't know anything about the internet. (had to ask what a "mod" was)
Am I just way off base here? Are my assumptions correct? I'm not trying to slam pizzagate here, just struggling internally whether there's any legitimacy to it.
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bopper ago
He darn sure knew what a "shill" was.
chris ago
evidence? or is that some kind of way of blowing off legitimate questions because you know I'm right.
bopper ago
Here you go. Alefantis has been on Voat and/or has others monitoring it for him. The Pegasus video made him flip out.
https://youtu.be/pUly5qbK25k?t=123
chris ago
Yeah dude, that's the exact video i watched that i referenced in the OP (that you apparently didnt read). In those texts Alefantis says "mod?" because he doesnt know what a mod is.
Is there something about a shill i missed in there? I couldve gloseed over it.
bopper ago
The shill part is time-stamped in the clip I just provided. Check it out. The point is that just because he was confused about what a mod was doesn't mean he doesn't know other terms. Dude.
chris ago
Sure sure, I get you but what I'm trying to say is that it's insane to think a guy confused about what a mod is was prior to pizzagate on 4chan or on any online forum in general that used the term cheese pizza. Dudes an old ass business owner that probably has an active night life and probably has zero time for the internet before pizzagate
bopper ago
I was just trying to provide the evidence you wanted. Alefantis is old? Lol. I'm sure yes, he partied etc. a lot more than he was online. But he's not old by any stretch. Give us "old ass" dudes a little credit. Dude.
chris ago
Im pretty sure dude is in his late 40s, right? I say old ass dude because he's way too old to have been shooting the shit around Chan sites in 2005 or after
Alephantis knowing what a shill is doesn't really address my criticism though
bopper ago
How old are you? Codes have been around since beginning of time, they don't live or die by the internet. I just talked the other day w/ an ex NSA code-breaker acquaintance of mine. Cryptologist from the '70s. Anyway, there have been references to cheese pizza being code for child porn and pedophilia since before the net. It's been documented here. Olsen twins, Family guy references, other stuff. Sure you gotta put on your thinking cap but the empirical evidence is overwhelming. Others here could provide you w/ more evidence. So ding dong Jimmy and Podesta didn't need to know anything about stinkin 4Chan. "4Chan? What is 4Chan? We don't need no stinkin 4Chan."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT8hE7_8BCY
chris ago
Literally nobody here has provided me with ANY proof those terms existed before pizzagate, the hell are you talking about? One guy referenced a documentary, which I'm gonna watch, but a documentary isn't a source either. Your code breaker from the 70s friend isn't a source either lol.
If it's been documented here then I'd love to see it. That's kind of what I've been asking for. I want evidence, not just some guy telling a friend about it. I deal in evidence, not hearsay.
bopper ago
Do your own research maybe, instead of bugging everyone here. Get out of the wagon and push. Dude.
chris ago
Of course! Why would I ask people making a claim to provide evidence for it, that's just plain silly! What in the world was I thinking????
"Do your own research" seems to be a common copout for people here when asked for evidence of their claims. Funny how that works.
Well, you guys have done a great job taking me from kinda sorta on the fence to just laughing at pizzagate as a whole. So uh....thanks? i guess..
bopper ago
And please call me sir, dude. Nobody, at the end of the day, is gonna give a rat's patootie what you think.
chris ago
I certainly don't give a flying fuck what you retard leddit refugee think about anything, that's for goddamn sure.
bopper ago
But can you be a little nicer you are off the chain. You are now using curse words on this forum.
"Who is Chris? Looks like a shill to me."
chris ago
Serious question; Are you insane?
bopper ago
LOL. No, just not young and dumb like you. You got wit now, you'll get wisdom later. Hindsight is the best source of insight. Try not to wreck your life while you still have time.
"I've got more important things to do, than spend my time growin old with you." - The Guess Who (very "old ass" band)
chris ago
Ok so old and senile, got it.
bopper ago
Correct.