To me, one of the crux of this entire thing is the terminology that lays a foundation for the rest of the evidence. As said in this video, the "code words from the FBI" basically dont exist and the codewords were basically created by a /pol/ user during the investigating, except cheese pizza....and for anyone who's not an internet noob and was on 4chan in the early dates know that the term was basically coined by them and other chan sites early on to refer to child porn (users referencing it as cp, other users asking what's cp, then people jokingly saying "cheese pizza" which caught on as a meme of sorts and inside joke)
This would explain why a lot of pizzagate "researchers" are kids in their teens or early twenties, as they werent around 4chan in the early days (when it was actually good).
once you realize cheese pizza is a meme basically created by kids on 4chan, the rest of the evidence starts to fall apart when you realize you have to assume that 50-60 year old politicians who dont understand the internet at all would be using terminology from a niche site that 90% of people on the internet dont even know about or visit.
Especially when, as clearly detailed in the video from that pizzagate researcher who said alephantis threatened his family, it's pretty clear even alephantis doesn't know anything about the internet. (had to ask what a "mod" was)
Am I just way off base here? Are my assumptions correct? I'm not trying to slam pizzagate here, just struggling internally whether there's any legitimacy to it.
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Are_we_sure ago
Yeah, there is no existing food code know to the FBI. That is straight out deception. You can not find any evidence that list of terms existed before the podesta emails were released. In fact, I think it's a straight up deception. It's quite easy to take a dataset and see what words are often used. You often see these word cloud maps of speeches done. I think this happened with the podesta emails.
You know what phrase never appears in the Podesta emails? Cheese pizza. It's not never there, not even once.
It's way higher than 90%. Yeah, this part has always confused me. Hillary is what 70? Podesta is 68. They are active on the Dark Web?
Also why use an existing code? This is a small group of people who know each other. This is not a guy in Florida trying to buy Child Porn from a guy in Iowa over the internet.
If you use known code, it defeats the purpose. Also if code is known outside a group, it becomes slang.
I believe pizzagate started as a complete hoax and used it used existing nonsense conspiracies that people already believed it online. The idea that elite pedophiles control governments predates pizzagate for a very long time. And the people who believe it aren't too strong on facts or rationality or logic. So I believe that the very beginning of pizzagate was started by people who knew that if they put out some clues/starter material. The conspiracy folks would run with it and make all sorts of connections.
Look up at how they faked Hillary Clinton's involvement with Laura Silsby. They make it seem like she knew her. It's completely a hoax. It's quite obvious she had no idea who she was until 10 Baptist Missionaries were arrested in Haiti and the State Department got involved...........like they always do when Americans are arrested overseas.
Conspiracy theories are stories we tell ourselves and we believed them because of cognitive flaws we all have. We take random events and connections and turn them into cause and effect because that's how our brains work.
I can talk more about this later.
chris ago
See, I think there actually IS quite a bit of systematic abuse of children and pedophile rings, but I don't buy into pizzagate. If you watch the documentary on boys town (conspiracy of silence) or look into pedophilia in Hollywood, it's pretty clear it exists AT LEAST in niche and/or local groups. Not sold on the idea that there is a vast network tied into all politicians or that it's part of some underground network of mollock worshippers or whatever, though.
I think it's not rational to dismiss all conspiracy theories, especially now as quite a few have been outed in recent times, but there is definitely a fringe of conspiracy theories that are not based in facts at all.
I try to give pizzagate as much of a chance as I can, though (as evident in this post).
duhiki ago
Do yourself a favor and pick up a book or three. John DeCamp's Franklin Cover Up - names national-level names partaking in the sex/drug courier ring, with a focus on the torture these kids endured. Conspiracy of Silence discusses about 45% of what's in the book; they left out a bunch of stuff. Cathy O'Brien's Trance Formation America - She delves into behind the scenes of the torture/Satanism as a child who endured it; she discusses the use of dentist chairs for torture/MKUltra purposes (ala Jeffrey Epstein). Both those books lay the foundation of Pizzagate as a continuation of horrific acts against children; the precedent has been set.
Question; what's your definition of "Pizzagate" because the mainstream definition is jacked on purpose by those controlling the media to give plausible deniability and to paint it as a lunatic's wet dream. But when one actually delves into the infamous instagram account of Alefantis, it raises some serious questions about his role in DC and how he garnered enough power and influence despite being a meager pizza slinger, to be counted among the 50 most powerful people in Washington. Especially when those photos include associating infants and toddlers to sexual connotations and money.
Brownstone Operations help keep politicians in line; put in compromising positions. This came out in public during a 1997 Senate Committee regarding radiation; some of those afflicted were also tortured with the government's okay, and their testimony taken.
https://imgoat.com/uploads/4173cb38f0/29112.png
Testimony: https://steemit.com/crime/@mandireiserra/mind-control-survivors-testimony-or-mk-ultra-and-pedogate-from-1995
Also take into consideration of Marc Dutroux, Belgium's child-kidnapping/raping/porn-making douchebag of the elites (who had seven houses; maybe it's my American mentality, but multiple homes are expensive with all them taxes/upkeep, so how'd he afford them all and still have time to kidnap and rape girls? Oh wait, he was paid to kidnap and rape girls.)
It's my (unpopular) opinion that the Mollach worship/Satanism ties into the MKUltra programming; used to torment kids and fracture their psyches, used to gather incriminating evidence of the elites participating to control them else evidence gets released, and said elites/politicians become fodder for legal issues and social pariahs/losing the life that enriched them with money and perversion. Plus, with a Satanism taint, it's easier for the masses to dismiss it rather than investigate it. That happened in the 80's with the Satanism "hysteria." Again, a precedent set.
These local groups are linked via those in control. Bring kids from outside areas to be trafficked, which means that the local populace doesn't get up in arms because it's not their kids. We saw this happen with the Franklin Cover Up/White House Call Boy scandal. Those "call boys" aka trafficked children, came from Nebraska to be used by DC elites at the fucking White House. When one looks at Tom Brokaw's report, we can see the propaganda line being towed; the legal focus was on credit cards being used to buy the rape of trafficked children, instead of focusing on the trafficked kids and those pimping them, because those people are assets ... when an asset gets busted, they either do little time and get on with their lives, or they are removed from the picture.
Research the CIA's modus operandi; it's very enlightening, and explains EVERYTHING. There's a reason school education covers certain aspects of how the American government works but utterly leaves out the CIA's role in it all. That is on purpose.
This link has an interview given by a former Forbes editor, explaining Mossad and the CIA's ties and shady things done.
https://steemit.com/crime/@mandireiserra/a-nasty-little-web-starring-hillary-clinton-vince-foster-and-robert-maxwell-special-guests-justice-scalia-sid-blumenthal-and
chris ago
I explained elsewhere in this thread that I'm aware of all those incidents and am a proponent that these rings exist, I referenced conspiracy of silence early on in this thread.
I'm just talking about pizzagate right now though, as I think pizzagate is being used to discredit everything you just described.
duhiki ago
Care to define Pizzagate, as I requested in my post?
chris ago
Sorry glossed over that, but is it not obvious? Is the sum of the evidence surrounding the podesta and Clinton emails and codewords about pizza, involving comet ping pong as a hub for said debauchery.
And since i re-read that paragraph: he's a wealthy business owner that owns multiple trendy business in neighborhoods where a lot of big wigs live and hang out, of course he knows a lot of people. He's basically a clone of my cousin :. Rich white kid, parents funded restaurant businesses for him in a hip area, he gains a lot of notoriety as being the owner from schmoozing and gets rich in the process...it's not that rare of a situation and you can find similar situations in any big city.
You're also conflating him being "top 50 influential people" with an article in some shit magazine calling him that. Sure he's influential, but top 50? Lol
Also any rational analysis of those photos shows no sexual activity, maybe a few sex related sarcastic jokes